Blind_Guardian said:
Can't seem to export mine, waited like an hour on 2 blogs. Good to know if it does work though.

You have to wait a bit. Mine took like a day or two. Tumblr will email you when it's ready.

Dogenzaka said:
You have to wait a bit. Mine took like a day or two. Tumblr will email you when it's ready.

If I'm not mistaken, they are hiding and not deleting images. So the export should grab them even after the 17th? Let's hope so.

Lance_Armstrong said:
I'm going to devote some extra time per day to approvals, just in case you want to go on an upload spree.

As a matter of fact, I'm going on one right now.

I wonder what will happen to some of my favorite tumblr artists like LordAardvark or Beastlyjoe. Man this sucks :(

a pity what is happening to tumblr but in my opinion when the site notices the huge amount of people that is leaving it will change back even if it takes a while or at least that's what i want to believe

Even tough i don't wanna stay with my arms crossed and wait for it, here is a link where you can sing for helping make Tumblr rescind their Adult Content Ban. For now is the only thing i can think about doing so until then you will be missed tumblr

https://www.change.org/p/tumblr-com-allow-nsfw-content-on-tumblr?recruiter=904735582&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial.pacific_email_copy_en_gb_4.v1.pacific_email_copy_en_us_3.control.pacific_post_sap_share_gmail_abi.control.pacific_email_copy_en_us_5.v1.lightning_2primary_share_options_more.control&utm_term=270c6a6c1053437b950328733c39be43

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/12/dear-tumblr-banning-adult-content-wont-make-your-site-better-it-will-harm-sex

Three pages long, didn't read.

From what I know Tumblr is disallowing all "adult content" because it's easier for them to just remove all the explicit content than it is to solely target only the illegal content. Shame it's going the way it is, but artists will jump ship. They'll gripe about it but eventually find somewhere else to post even if they don't like it. Anything worth keeping on Tumblr now is already reposted somewhere else on the internet and I'm sure artists will fill in galleries on other sites. I get that there isn't any other site like Tumblr but they'll either change their mind later and make the appropriate tweaks or just fade into the background of internet image sites as artists migrate. In any case a year from now this will just be a memory.

All in all, nothing of value is lost.

Millcore said:
...Anything worth keeping on Tumblr now is already reposted somewhere else on the internet...

All in all, nothing of value is lost.

Those were my thoughts as well until I went and checked. kame_3 is one of the most popular kemono artists on here and there are many nice sketches (and even a couple of finished pieces) on their Tumblr that never made it to e621. I don't see them on Pixiv or Twitter either - odds are they'll be lost soon. I only checked a few artists so I have no idea how common this is.

I'm waiting for an export to process so I can post a few of them

Millcore said:
Three pages long, didn't read.

From what I know Tumblr is disallowing all "adult content" because it's easier for them to just remove all the explicit content than it is to solely target only the illegal content. Shame it's going the way it is, but artists will jump ship. They'll gripe about it but eventually find somewhere else to post even if they don't like it. Anything worth keeping on Tumblr now is already reposted somewhere else on the internet and I'm sure artists will fill in galleries on other sites. I get that there isn't any other site like Tumblr but they'll either change their mind later and make the appropriate tweaks or just fade into the background of internet image sites as artists migrate. In any case a year from now this will just be a memory.

All in all, nothing of value is lost.

Except that's wrong, Mill. :/

Let's say you have a bakery. You make bread. it's pretty good. People like your bread and while you're not rolling in extra money, you pay the bills and are pretty happy. You've been doing this for a few years, so you've got a steady customer base. You've got good hopes for the future.

One day, the local government decides that your building must be torn down. You fight it, but ultimately, you have to move. You move into a new building, but hte location isn't as good anymore. Some of your customers follow you, but many of them, before, stopped in on the way to work or at lunch. You are having to start over in your new area. You are not doing well anymore.

Especially since most artists probably have accounts in other places already.

Sure, most of the art is probably saved somewhere, but this is harming the hell out of our artists.

And not just our artists, but the community around those artists. Like, a lot.

and it's not jsut because "CP is hard to control"... it's because they want to sell ads and they can't sell ads if there's porn, I guess.

I get what your point is, that all of the art is probably safe...

But this is about a lot more than just some furry porn :/ there is a LOT of value being lost here. :/ and a lot of damage being done to a lot of people that isn't going to magically get better

pros:

• necessary wake-up call / educational moment for artists to never rely on just one company to store socially-contentious data, especially if it's owned by a mega corporation (verizon) that can easily afford to take the risk of shutting down one of its newly-acquired assets (tumblr)
• some artists are now entering different places (ex. pixiv, newgrounds) that don't have file auto-compression/restrictions like tumblr's 1280px limit, so they will now be available in better quality

cons:

• lots of content, good and bad, will be gone forever
• too many artists are migrating only to twitter; lots of art will be even worse quality (jpeg artifacts) than those derived from tumblr. not to mention twitter, inc. is just as reliable as verizon, so i wouldn't put it past them to ban all adult content in the future as well

how to salvage the situation before dec 17:

• inform all the artists you know about the alternatives to tumblr
• inform the artists that only have twitter now that twitter just as unsafe as tumblr and should therefore have at least one other online gallery as a backup

Millcore paraphrases Index saying:
Some popular artists don't have stuff in other locations. I want to post some of them here.

I'm pretty sure a lot of people are hurrying to post stuff here from Tumblr so it doesn't get lost the the void of the internet. I'm not sure if once Tumblr's big idea is in full effect the image file sources (ya know, the bl4blab1a_1280.png/jpg links) will be valid or not. If they will be valid then people just go grab those links in bulk while they still can and put them on a txt file or something under which Tumblr they're from, such as this example then take their time posting them on the site once they can't find any more. Or download the images by hand. Either form of those should keep a record of some sort on if the image was a collaboration or not, especially if they don't tend to sign their work legibly if at all.

Oh the other hand if they'll all be turned to dead links then something like ripme could be used to download entire Tumblrs.
The advantages here:
1. If the links die then the you can have all the images from the Tumblr.
2. It's quick, it's easy, and it's free.

The disadvantages here:
1. It will grab absolutely everything from that Tumblr. If they were re-blogging images constantly then you'll end up with all the re-blogged images. You might be able to figure out how to just grab posts from a Tumblr with certain tags on them (such as "#myart") but I was never able to figure it out, maybe someone else would have better luck.
2. You could easily miss which images are collaborations, again particularly if no one was signing so humans could read.
3. Too easy to get the artist wrong, particularly because of re-blogs. Unless you can figure a way to only have it rip their original posts then you'll have everything which just loops back to problem 1.

I'm sure people will come up with more points and other options but if you're really concerned about artworts being lost then just do everything. Download what you can, save what you can, post what you can. I can't really imagine too many people being focused on anymore than 3 to 5 artists without any overlap but if there's time to just post their stuff now then now is the time to do it. Message a Janitor if you hit the posting limit. Approval or deletion we'll give you some room.

SnowWolf said:
Let's say you have a bakery. You make bread. It's pretty good. People like your bread and while you're not rolling in extra money, you pay the bills and are pretty happy. You've been doing this for a few years, so you've got a steady customer base. You've got good hopes for the future.

One day, the local government decides that your building must be torn down. You fight it, but ultimately, you have to move. You move into a new building, but the location isn't as good anymore. Some of your customers follow you, but many of them, before, stopped in on the way to work or at lunch. You are having to start over in your new area. You are not doing well anymore.

I love your analogy.

Okay, yeah this is gonna hurt people - a lot of people. Users aren't going to remember everyone and be able to follow all their followed artists to other sites especially when the artists are going everywhere. Some people wont want to make new accounts elsewhere to follow people because they may feel they have too many to manage already, or have a gripe against a site, or whatever other reason could be thought of. Communities are going to split, some artists are going to come out okay and most others will be hurt and will slowly have to rebuild, and others may never again reach what they had. It's going to be a mess, I'm not denying that. The news only broke a few days ago and people are still in panic mode and will still be for a while. Admittedly I was just thinking about the content currently there but I will hold onto my optimism that when the dust has settled, whenever that is, and all this is over with, things for better or worse are going to be alright even if it doesn't seem like that now.

Personally, I honestly don't think this decision Tumblr has made will hold. Someone or some team in Tumblr calculated this risk (or hey maybe no one did) and when it hits it will either be what they expected, less than expected, or worse than expected and from that they'll change accordingly. Could they have handled this differently? Yeah. Should they probably not be banning what likely most of their user base comes for. No question. What they're doing is like setting fire to the building because there's a bug problem in a few rooms on the second floor. Right now, we gotta watch to see how long it will be until they realize that they should put out the fire and call an exterminator.

Or maybe they'll just let it burn. Who knows anymore.

SnowWolf said:
Except that's wrong, Mill. :/

Let's say you have a bakery. You make bread. it's pretty good. People like your bread and while you're not rolling in extra money, you pay the bills and are pretty happy. You've been doing this for a few years, so you've got a steady customer base. You've got good hopes for the future.

One day, the local government decides that your building must be torn down. You fight it, but ultimately, you have to move. You move into a new building, but hte location isn't as good anymore. Some of your customers follow you, but many of them, before, stopped in on the way to work or at lunch. You are having to start over in your new area. You are not doing well anymore.

Especially since most artists probably have accounts in other places already.

Sure, most of the art is probably saved somewhere, but this is harming the hell out of our artists.

And not just our artists, but the community around those artists. Like, a lot.

and it's not jsut because "CP is hard to control"... it's because they want to sell ads and they can't sell ads if there's porn, I guess.

I get what your point is, that all of the art is probably safe...

But this is about a lot more than just some furry porn :/ there is a LOT of value being lost here. :/ and a lot of damage being done to a lot of people that isn't going to magically get better

Cant agree more, the ban well force people to have to rebuild their clientele or/and viewership from scratch for the most part, something that is in most cases took years to build. And as far as the internet is concerned most of these people are essentially being forced to move from a safe secure neighborhood to a crime infested insecure neighborhood. And to quote from Lance's linked article

D’Onofrio defends the policy by saying that the bottom line is that “there are no shortage of sites on the internet that feature adult content.”

Of cource not, but one should ask your self, are any of these sites as safe as tumblr, many of these adult content sites do have malware embedded in them or links that may contain malware, the other question is the community, most of these other adult content websites arnt geared towards subject debates, support or sales.

I would just add that the order to remove adult content came out of tumblr's parent company Verizon more than likely and doesn't actually have anything to do with the app removal.

Darou said:

Of cource not, but one should ask your self, are any of these sites as safe as tumblr, many of these adult content sites do have malware embedded in them or links that may contain malware...

That's a sort of an old internet rumor that really isn't true. Porn sites are no worse or better than any other site
https://usa.kaspersky.com/blog/porno-danger-fact-or-fiction/15098/

Darou said:
many of these adult content sites do have malware embedded in them or links that may contain malware

The biggest cause of this is not properly screening ad submissions. A lot of sites (in general) auto-approve just about any ad regardless of what its scripts do.

e621 to my knowledge not allowing ad scripts at all is a big part of why I'm so comfortable here. Just wish there were more people comfortable advertising here, e621 could obviously do with a lot more funding than it gets.

The corporate world is really weird about the internet. Anywhere without inherent age restriction has to be squeaky clean because what if a child sees it and there's so much content it's not worth the $/manhours to screen manually. Almost every ad I see on Youtube is something that would get the video it's on demonetised. We're allowed to see graphic violence, frontal-nudity and sex scenes in classical-art, literature, TV, and movies but the internet just isn't worth the trouble to police and nobody has time to watch everything their kids do online.

Lance_Armstrong said:
https://i.imgur.com/r2A4kfi.png

Oh God, I beg of you, edit this pic out and put this link instead. We have a better comparison of image gallery sites than any other I have seen: https://e621.net/wiki/show/howto:sites_and_sources

OneMoreAnonymous said:
Oh God, I beg of you, edit this pic out and put this link instead. We have a better comparison of image gallery sites than any other I have seen: https://e621.net/wiki/show/howto:sites_and_sources

ok

Lance_Armstrong said:
ok

Sorry if I sounded pushy, it's just that I've been seeing a lot of artists move to sites even worse than Tumblr when it comes to image hosting.

Thanks for the heads up

The things I feel sorry for is the fact that there are people who are foolish enough to make drawing and illustrating their main source of income... and they keep all their money-making eggs in one basket, tumblr. Which seems is tumblring off a cliff and exploding now.
They had their entire galleries nuked, no backups... I mean smart right?
Course it’s also tumblrs fault for swinging the nuke powered supersledge without warning the user base that “oh mah gerd porn b gone!” Lol I really do hope tumblr burns. It was good for some things, bad for others. But this sort of shit should get it very unpopular. Especially the whole “our computers will be so smart it will nuke this ladies wedding cake for being a female-presenting nipple! Yay us!” Or that those sort of nukes are audited by another computer, and maybe two humans.

Also, what the fuck is a FEMALE-PRESENTING NIPPLE?!? It’s like tumblrs the older grandparents trying to sound hip in front of the grandkids with new lingo.
Yes yes, I understand what it is... but, a man has hard nipples, cool. A woman, Oh No’s! Call the police! No seriously call them cuz those things could cut glass...

Esme_Belles said:
The things I feel sorry for is the fact that there are people who are foolish enough to make drawing and illustrating their main source of income... and they keep all their money-making eggs in one basket, tumblr. Which seems is tumblring off a cliff and exploding now.
They had their entire galleries nuked, no backups... I mean smart right?

My understanding is that the artist can still access their own NSFW uploads. They are just hidden from everyone else. If they get their entire account banned, that might be different.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Esme_Belles said:
Also, what the fuck is a FEMALE-PRESENTING NIPPLE?!? It’s like tumblrs the older grandparents trying to sound hip in front of the grandkids with new lingo.
Yes yes, I understand what it is... but, a man has hard nipples, cool. A woman, Oh No’s! Call the police! No seriously call them cuz those things could cut glass...

Free the Female-Presenting Nipple! #2018

Esme_Belles said:
what the fuck is a FEMALE-PRESENTING NIPPLE?!?

They're just trying to make it clear that trans womens' nipples aren't okay either.

Lance_Armstrong said:
My understanding is that the artist can still access their own NSFW uploads. They are just hidden from everyone else. If they get their entire account banned, that might be different.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm pretty sure if your blog is deleted you can't access anything. For blogs that are being hidden, the owner can still view it.

Blind_Guardian said:
I'm pretty sure if your blog is deleted you can't access anything. For blogs that are being hidden, the owner can still view it.

Every time blog posts or even full blogs have been deleted, the direct image links have been working just fine. This is how many users got raw versions of images and even I got them trough wayback machine as just getting images URL meant that was still working.

Also there really seems to be huge amount of speculations mixed in with facts around this whole thing and it doesn't help that tumblr obviously isn't sharing facts like direct image links working forever.

Dogenzaka said:
If you export your tumblr, all of your posts and reblogs will be the raw image size. A way to autoreblog all posts from a selected tumblr would be nice about now before they get purged. We probably could've had raw images all along.

It seems you are doing this with full steam. Thank you for the contribution!

BooruHitomi updated instructions to wiki, so if someone wants to help with explicit content to get raws, pretty much now is the time for that as backup request can take days: howto:sites_and_sources#tumblr

Mairo said:
Every time blog posts or even full blogs have been deleted, the direct image links have been working just fine. This is how many users got raw versions of images and even I got them trough wayback machine as just getting images URL meant that was still working.

I have heard several times that the “way-back machine” is no longer functioning due to how their implementing this purge. I believe if I’m remembering correctly, if you try it on one of the purged ones it gives you the new standard safe mode page or something instead of the raw image.
Could be wrong though, very likely I’m wrong in fact.
All in all this is just very stupid I think. They needed to give a months warning, instead they knee jerked.

Mairo said:
Every time blog posts or even full blogs have been deleted, the direct image links have been working just fine. This is how many users got raw versions of images and even I got them trough wayback machine as just getting images URL meant that was still working.

Also there really seems to be huge amount of speculations mixed in with facts around this whole thing and it doesn't help that tumblr obviously isn't sharing facts like direct image links working forever.
howto:sites_and_sources#tumblr

I meant as a blog owner, I don't think you can't do anything to the deleted blog since it's... deleted. Direct URLs and waybackmachine are different.

Dogenzaka said:
If you export your tumblr, all of your posts and reblogs will be the raw image size. We probably could've had raw images all along.

Thanks for the tip. I made a tumblr, reblogged some downscaled posts and requested an export. After a few days I got the raw images and was able to update post #1732714, post #1732723 and post #1732729. There are a lot more posts that could be updated, too.

I made a separate thread to discuss this method: forum #266274

JustAWeasel said:
What the hell? When did Tumblr's management become such prudes?

My understanding (uneducated as it is, mind: my username is just for shits and giggles) is that this them trying to proactively fall in line with some upcoming laws designed to... er, combat prostitution, I think? By getting rid of IRL smutty pics, I think?

Obviously drawn furry porn doesn't have much to do with IRL pimps and whores, but that's not the point. The point is that Tumblr is doing what all sites do when they realize their algorithms and automatic content filters aren't smart enough to tell the difference between what's legal and what's not: they ban ALL content that has even the slightest chance of getting them in trouble.

Remember, boys and girls: Companies only care about your free speech on their platform/game while it makes them money, and they'll shut it down the moment the lawmakers start banging their gavels. They'll even censor themselves if they think it'll help the cash roll in (just look at Chinese versions of Western games like WoW and Dota 2).

Apparently they had a huge problem with certain RL stuff being posted, and without the ability to track and moderate it (their fault on this part, they SHOULD have infrastructure against shit like that) they decided to axe all NSFW entirely. Partially corporately motivated, partially because of some incompetence tbh.

Honestly I don't think I'd have a problem if they simply got rid of RL porn instead of all NSFW. They'd still have a platform for artists and it would be easier to do than using a crappy neural-network bot that can't effectively decide what's SFW and what's not, which is why there's so much rampant flagging of nonsensical things.

I don't think them as doing the wrong thing, so to speak. I think they've just handled this in the most incompetent way possible.

Luckily I was able to post these images on Imgur as an archive just in case these two drawings might never make it to this site after December 17th.

https://imgur.com/a/7o6d7bv

Blog sources
https://schwoodraws.tumblr.com/post/158237555761/dahn-helps-tits-with-her-boober-milk-problems

https://meganemausu.tumblr.com/post/166542514709/brief-spooky-break-my-half-of-a-trade-with-ikugo

https://lysersart.tumblr.com/post/173834968390/tits-reminding-you-that-making-time-for-self-care

http://lysergideicide.tumblr.com/post/168443537552/honwellsquid-lysergideicides-tits-no-not

I had an account with Tumblr and the amount of times they have flagged my post for adult content made me mad. I wished they explained to me why my post adult content or allowed users to block or hide content they don't want to see.

so long old friend salutes

post #959644 post #413898 post #819917

The hour of reckoning is upon us.

Dogenzaka said:
The hour of reckoning is upon us.

Indeed,
Today's the day! ╹‿╹)

Not that I'm excited for seeing most of my favorite blogs
(Including one of mine =‿=) go but, more so in an-

"I really wanna see what happens now and after!"

kinda way. T‿T)

There's such a high chance for things to
get really interesting today! ◠‿◠)

Eh, Tumblr will probably still have an audience, the percentage of porn can't be that big so as to cause significant disruption.

On a bigger level, this demonstrates what my friend said some 8-9 years ago - "the press was free, now it's not, the radio was free, now it's not, the internet is free, it won't be forever".

Haljkljavahlibrz said:
On a bigger level, this demonstrates what my friend said some 8-9 years ago - "the press was free, now it's not, the radio was free, now it's not, the internet is free, it won't be forever".

So thie is how things works. What shall we do? Adapt or what?

Also, is it just me or is Tumblr's speed unusually slow?

It just disturbs me how puritanical the world is becoming. In the absence of evangelical Christians it's like businesses and certain types of SJWs have stepped in to continue the anti-porn war in their stead. Perhaps religion was never to blame for society's attitude towards porn...I'm starting to suspect that even a completely atheistic society would still have a large segment that would want to censor and/or remove porn. Pretty fucking depressing considering I always thought things would go the opposite direction in the future.

Also goes to show if you're a porn artist you can't trust these companies as far as you can throw them. You're going to exist as a persecuted nomad...I consider it to be only a matter of time before Twitter expels them. Newgrounds seems cool but idk...all it takes is one asshole posting kiddie porn and suddenly the entire platform must be PURGED. One of the worst cases of "a few bad apples spoil the bunch" I've ever seen...more like "a few bad apples spoiled the entire fucking orchard."

Dyrone said:
It just disturbs me how puritanical the world is becoming. In the absence of evangelical Christians it's like businesses and certain types of SJWs have stepped in to continue the anti-porn war in their stead. Perhaps religion was never to blame for society's attitude towards porn...I'm starting to suspect that even a completely atheistic society would still have a large segment that would want to censor and/or remove porn. Pretty fucking depressing considering I always thought things would go the opposite direction in the future.

Also goes to show if you're a porn artist you can't trust these companies as far as you can throw them. You're going to exist as a persecuted nomad...I consider it to be only a matter of time before Twitter expels them. Newgrounds seems cool but idk...all it takes is one asshole posting kiddie porn and suddenly the entire platform must be PURGED. One of the worst cases of "a few bad apples spoil the bunch" I've ever seen...more like "a few bad apples spoiled the entire fucking orchard."

And what's else is worse, World War III emerging? I'll rather had to die on a nuclear bombardment than all the crap I've been through.

In your opinion, has anyone consideded going back to Blogspot? I have considered dusting off mine that I haven't used for more than 4 years.

And pillowfort.io is working again, just in time for Tumblr takedown. That might be a good alternative.

The site rules says that adult content is perfectly fine to post there, as long as it's marked as nsfw.

AlexYorim said:
In your opinion, has anyone consideded going back to Blogspot? I have considered dusting off mine that I haven't used for more than 4 years.

First time seeing someone mentioned Blogspot on this site.

Genjar said:
And pillowfort.io is working again, just in time for Tumblr takedown. That might be a good alternative.

Indeed.

cerberusmod_3 said:
First time seeing someone mentioned Blogspot on this site.

First time hearing about Blogspot it in a long ass time! I feel old now.

It's starting boiz. Avatar's are being censored and I can't view some blogs.

Dyrone said:
It just disturbs me how puritanical the world is becoming. In the absence of evangelical Christians it's like businesses and certain types of SJWs have stepped in to continue the anti-porn war in their stead. Perhaps religion was never to blame for society's attitude towards porn...I'm starting to suspect that even a completely atheistic society would still have a large segment that would want to censor and/or remove porn.

Quite understandable as pornography represents a dimension of value (erotic beauty) that is generally independent of religious, moral and/or political values.
Thus any system that has an authoritarian/totalitarian impulse will abhor it (as it is something that defies judgment through their worldview in addition to being somewhat subversive) and ban it, examples:

Zealotry: ''Pornography is a product of evil and is subverting our youth''

Fascism: ''Pornography is a product of degenerate [insert hated group] that is subverting our society''

Communism: ''Pornography is a product of degenerate capitalist/reactionary filth that is subverting our revolution''

Far-right: ''Pornography is a product of degenerate leftist filth that is subverting our society''

Far-left: ''Pornography is a product of patriarchal objectification and is oppressing our society''

The only ideologies that would be somewhat amicable towards pornography are Libertarianism and Capitalism, since the former values personal liberty and the latter sees it as a market to exploit.

It must be said however that Capitalism can be ''compromised'' by the influences of some of the above and thus shun porn since it could potentially hurt profits (ie. porn becomes ''dirty'' and is thus seen as driving away potential customers in larger numbers than it attracts).

That is why a platform that is ostensibly oriented purely towards profit can suddenly become puritan and start banning tiddies and dongs.

Sorry for the long post, but i can hardly resist analysing such things ^^

Tumblr deleted my account when Apple removed the app from the app store and I haven't been able to get it back ever since. So I never got the chance to back up my stuff before they announced the porn ban. :|

Kayla-Na said:
Tumblr deleted my account when Apple removed the app from the app store and I haven't been able to get it back ever since. So I never got the chance to back up my stuff before they announced the porn ban. :|

message the staff and ask them to restore your account. it was unintentionally deleted unless you had porn of underaged characters on your blog. all the posts are still there and you can still back up them. the only thing that changed is that the posts are set as private posts so they are not visible for other users.

Dyrone said:
It just disturbs me how puritanical the world is becoming. In the absence of evangelical Christians it's like businesses and certain types of SJWs have stepped in to continue the anti-porn war in their stead.

Those certain types aren't very "SJW"-like... Most of us SJW types are more interested in allowing people to be free to make their own choices. Wanna do sex work? go for it. Feel free to be sexually open. Just don't harm others and keep your porn (and dick) away from kids (and animals).

But then there are always those few, aren't there? I'm pretty sure that they and the evangelical christians actually overlap a whole lot.

also. those evangelical christians are still very much here. Drives me nuts.

Perhaps religion was never to blame for society's attitude towards porn...

Nah. religion is very much an issue for us right now. but there's also a general sence of morality that is inspired by religion that isn't directly connected to it.

Like... The Christian bible doesn't say anything like "thou shalt not show too much boob" and "thine female presenting nipples are sinful and abusive" ....

1 Timothy 2:9 says "likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire," ... whoops!

But most bible versus mostly focus on things like "Be respectful, don't be ashamed, don't fucking make people who don't wanna be naked be naked, don't waggle your dick around in people's faces"

But the idea of wht is modest is ... really based around society. 100 years ago, a one piece swimsuit would be astonishingly exposing. now, a bikini's fine. A bikini's okay, but a bra and panty set that covers more skin is outragous.

I grew up in an area where the local culture was generally 'you're both girls, it doesn't matter, go ahead and change together'... now I live in a place where my best friend will tell me about what's going on downstairs after birthgiving and will talk about nipples extensively... but shies away from any form of looking at the tiddies. Why? I dunno.

What's my point? I dunno. I'm tired and ruminating.

...society's attitude towards pornography varies as the people do and times change.

The study of hemlines in the united states is pretty interesting. Dresses were long up until the 20's, where hemlines began to rise up. the flapper's above-the-knee dresses were shocking at the time. The 30's saw hemlines drop back to the floor. The 40s's and 50's saw shorter skirts again-- but they were still more conservative than the looks of the 20's. the 60's saw the rise of the miniskirt, while in the 70's, maxidresses and floorlegnth skirts came back. Interesting, shorter skirts tend to come in times of economical prosperity..... as the short skirts of the 80's and 90's.... generally grew longer during our most recent recession. It's interesting, anyway.

It's important to remember that even when it feels like we're sliding backwards, we're miles ahead of where we started.

I'm starting to suspect that even a completely atheistic society would still have a large segment that would want to censor and/or remove porn. Pretty fucking depressing considering I always thought things would go the opposite direction in the future.

It's possible! But there's other aspects in there too. For a long time, a lot of porn was for-men and was pretty exploitive. Women treated like meat, etc. There's a lot of concern about the wellbeing of people in pornography, or other forms of sex work. Where there is an opportunity for profit, there's always someone to be abused, y'know? Things are a lot better today than they were in the 80's or 90's-- but in some places, also worse, I think.

Hopefully, we willcontinue developing healthier attitudes towards sex.

and we are! we really are! With every year that passes, more peopel accept that people can enjoy sex without being bad people. (for a time, that WAS the church's opinion.) (but then, at other times, the church's opinion--and society's opinion--was that a unhappy woman wouldn't get pregnant so it was best to let them have a 'love match' and let them be happy and feel happy.) (and at other times in other places.... when youre whole house lives in one room, nudity happens? when your'e whole family shares a bed, sex-with-the-wife still happens...) we're at an interesting time in life, honestly, and I would like to think we'll become more reasonable over the years.

Also goes to show if you're a porn artist you can't trust these companies as far as you can throw them. You're going to exist as a persecuted nomad...I consider it to be only a matter of time before Twitter expels them. Newgrounds seems cool but idk...all it takes is one asshole posting kiddie porn and suddenly the entire platform must be PURGED. One of the worst cases of "a few bad apples spoil the bunch" I've ever seen...more like "a few bad apples spoiled the entire fucking orchard."

yup.

though with tumblr it was also the unending desire for money and advertising profits. 9_9 fucking hate it.

but it really is a reminder that you can't trust a website to stay around. it's sad. I remeber when geocities died, when livejournal banned porn, when fanfiction.net decided that they didn't want adults-only stuff anymore.... most of the kids these days don't. Sad stuff. We'll find another place to go, one day.

I'm surprised that nobody's mentioned Cumblr. That's been all over other sites today, as a NSFW Tumblr replacement.

"We knew this wasn’t going to be an easy task and we appreciate your patience as we work through the challenges and limitations of correctly flagging tens of billions of GIFs, videos, and photos."

They literally described in their own post why a move like this is stupid. They are a website that established that they allowed NSFW for years to then suddenly disallow it is an impossible move due to the sheer number of posts now breaking the new TOS. Since they barely moderated their site before, now moderating a new huge batch of posts that suddenly break the rules is going to be an impossible task.

Genjar said:
I'm surprised that nobody's mentioned Cumblr. That's been all over other sites today, as a NSFW Tumblr replacement.

I've never heard of it o_o and I've heard people talking about pornhub as an alternative...

I'm not saying it's bad. But it's probably one of a thousand different people giving this a shot right now.

Kayla-Na said:
Tumblr deleted my account when Apple removed the app from the app store and I haven't been able to get it back ever since. So I never got the chance to back up my stuff before they announced the porn ban. :|

How much of it was content that's not backed up locally, on patreon or some other platform or that can't be recovered from e6 by reverting takedown #4952 (if that's even possible, I don't know if there's a precedent for such things)?

So Tumblr's privating NSFW posts to the individual blogs that uploaded them, but you can still download all their SFW posts including images, video, gifs, all the metadata using a blog downloader a la https://www.ghacks.net/2017/07/04/download-tumblr-blogs-with-tumblthree/ or something similar. Others have told me they occasionally get an NSFW pic here and there, but that's about it.
You can even download blogs that, when you try to access them, give you a "This Tumblr may contain sensitive media." page.
Ex. https://puu.sh/CjjT7/17ee7d3d32.png

You can also view all the SFW posts on such a blog by bringing up that annoying blog preview thing on the side, either by finding their blog in your newsfeed or by searching through your follows and clicking on their name.

I'm not really sure how much of this is relevant or important information anymore, but I thought it was good enough to post in here if anyone wants to try and figure out a workaround on that shittily-built site.

your best bet is archive.org or google/bing/yandex cache, especially the "artistname.tumblr.com/archive" pages

posts aren't accessible but direct image links still exist

Absolutely incompetent.

siikaprinssi said:
message the staff and ask them to restore your account. it was unintentionally deleted unless you had porn of underaged characters on your blog. all the posts are still there and you can still back up them. the only thing that changed is that the posts are set as private posts so they are not visible for other users.

I did. Like three to four times, and they're just outright ignoring my messages.

My first message was last month in November.

The only thing that nsfw artist blogs can do now is deleting all their nsfw content and posting sfw only <:3, then turn off the ''X Blog is explicit'' toggle.

If that toogle is stuck, you can do this: http://magenta-mouse.tumblr.com/post/181218823543/psa-if-your-blog-is-stuck-in-explicit-mode

One theory i have heard being thrown around is that it's the result of FOSTA and SESTA. That any kind of sex trafficking is on a site will open the site up to legal trouble,even if the site doesn't know about it.

Axelthefox said:
One theory i have heard being thrown around is that it's the result of FOSTA and SESTA. That any kind of sex trafficking is on a site will open the site up to legal trouble,even if the site doesn't know about it.

Here's another theory:

Verizon plans to cut 10 percent of Oath staff

Verizon chief Hans Vestberg has set in motion a plan to start cutting more than 1,000 jobs at the company's Oath media business in the first quarter of 2019, sources with knowledge of the company’s plans tell NBC News.

Verizon says Oath is dead. Meet Verizon Media Group.

Verizon said Tuesday that it's killing off its Oath media brand exactly a week after it told federal regulators that the multibillion-dollar company it built from its purchases of Yahoo and AOL was virtually worthless.

Tumblr is just a sliver of something they just called worthless. They didn't need the specter of child pornography floating above their rebranding effort (thanks, Apple!). So they took out the axe and cut down all of the porn. A quick fix. If Tumblr dies because of it, they won't care much.

>staff posts examples of nipples that are okay to post
>gets flagged by their own bot
it's like poetry. it rhymes.

Also the ban has done fuck all for the porn bots. If anything they're even worse now.

Lance_Armstrong said:
Here's another theory:

Verizon plans to cut 10 percent of Oath staff

Verizon says Oath is dead. Meet Verizon Media Group.

Tumblr is just a sliver of something they just called worthless. They didn't need the specter of child pornography floating above their rebranding effort (thanks, Apple!). So they took out the axe and cut down all of the porn. A quick fix. If Tumblr dies because of it, they won't care much.

Eh, Verizon sucks in my opinion.

But that other issue, with Apple curtailing that kind of filth is one of the few things they did right.

Lance_Armstrong said:
Here's another theory:

All of the above?

The timing of FOSTA-SESTA matches up almost perfectly with the article claiming they'd been working on this for half a year.
The CP incident is a convenient panic/PR-rollout issue.
And none of this is mutually exclusive with wanting to cut staff anyway and not actually caring how well Tumblr does.

MagnusEffect said:
All of the above?

The timing of FOSTA-SESTA matches up almost perfectly with the article claiming they'd been working on this for half a year.
The CP incident is a convenient panic/PR-rollout issue.
And none of this is mutually exclusive with wanting to cut staff anyway and not actually caring how well Tumblr does.

https://theestablishment.co/want-to-know-why-tumblr-is-cracking-down-on-sex-look-to-fosta-sesta/

Axelthefox said:
https://theestablishment.co/want-to-know-why-tumblr-is-cracking-down-on-sex-look-to-fosta-sesta/

that article isn't weighing out the advertising revenue tumblr (verizon) may possibly gain by purging all adult-only content. so it is still speculative despite its affirming title.

Looks like Tumblr found out about people toggling their blog off of explicit with inspect element. My blog is toggled back to explicit and the toggle itself is gone from the settings. The new blog I used to download reblogs still has the toggle since I didn't mess with it the first time.

I might have missed it already, but if tumblr is now a sinking ship, does that mean we should try to find different image sources from artists, rather than redirecting to a tumblr post?

GlitchedSystem said:
I might have missed it already, but if tumblr is now a sinking ship, does that mean we should try to find different image sources from artists, rather than redirecting to a tumblr post?

Users should always try to find as many different image sources as possible, since artists can use multiple sites for their galleries. This has always been the case even before Tumblr changed everything on their end this year.

Also, Tumblr still hasn't become completely useless, especially after it's been discovered that "raw" images are still stored there. It's just that retrieving "raws" there became a bit more complicated nowadays.

Eh to be honest, its incredibly hypocritical to bitch and moan against "puritanism" when you people practice your own bizarre nihilistic version of it.

Example: Nothing goes too far, everything's permitted, well except criticism and free speech, we cant have that, blacklist my shit instead.

Well one thing I will say about Tumblr is that they are just shooting themselves in the foot with that practice. Means the artist who do making a career or such of it on Tumblr have to find somewhere else to apply their trade (and that list is either short or large depending on your creations I suppose.) means less for Tumblr. So if its a sinking ship, then most of it just went under water. Might be a bit late to say that so eh.

Tumblr is an economic subject in a free market environment, if they can do many things with regards to their site policy and if they make an unpopular decision, the customers will respond in kind.

It is a shame for artists that were tumblr-based, but it will be a good lesson to not put all the eggs in one basket.

Rest in liquid excretion products, tumblr.

Tumblr fucked up so many times and in such a short amount of time, that I can't find a proper explanation anywhere. Please, correct me if anything I got is wrong. Google keeps directing me to things about turning safe search off, and the damn thing doesn't even exist anymore.

• Individual posts purged as NSFW by their dreaded bot get deleted, but unlike posts deleted by users themselves (and, presumably, by mods), they leave a trace in the form of those "This post may contain sensitive media" placeholders, both in the blog itself and in the archive page.
• Whereas the aforementioned posts deleted by users (and maybe mods) still leave the reblogs completely untouched, posts purged by the bot are replaced with the placeholder in both the original blog and every single repost, and always visible both in the blog itself and in the archive as well. It's possible to see these posts' IDs in the HTML, but they just give the standard 404 page, just like commonly deleted posts.
• Even now, Tumblr doesn't seem to delete or wall off the banned pictures, and they can be accessed if you dredge up their file URLs. Ironically, the placeholder makes these purged posts visible and thus make it easier to dig their pictures up, since, usually, the deleted posts just vanish completely.
• Plenty of NSFW posts haven't been detected or reported, so you can still get a faceful of pokemon dick.
• An entire blog can be deemed NSFW, requiring you to log into Tumblr to view them.
• Both normal and NSFW blogs can have undetected NSFW material and purged posts, original and reblogged alike.
• The criteria used to classify a blog as NSFW seems to be wholly arbitrary, unsurprisingly.
• More importantly, is there a way to view the NSFW blogs the normal way instead of that accursed side frame on the right? Besides the obvious annoyance, it seems impossible to visit individual posts or its archive.
• Most important of all, has anyone figured out how the reblog keys are generated? You know, that 8-character bit at the end of any reblog link. Each original post has its own reblog key, which stays the same in all reblogged copies of that post. Maybe these keys are randomly generated, which would suck, but if there's an actual method to it, it would open very interesting possibilities. For that matter, I would appreciate any insights into Tumblr's inner workings. I found a bit by googling, but still there's a lot unanswered.

OneMoreAnonymous said:

• More importantly, is there a way to view the NSFW blogs the normal way instead of that accursed side frame on the right? Besides the obvious annoyance, it seems impossible to visit individual posts or its archive.

You can by using third party websites, like https://www.tumbex.com/

Zenti said:
You can by using third party websites, like https://www.tumbex.com/

I'm afraid Tumbex doesn't work for NSFW blogs, altho Tumblviewr does. I notice that the latter has a minus, in that it shows only pictures, and not even the text that accompanied them. The huge pluses is that it shows the pics from the bot-purged posts as well, and always includes a link to reblog the post the picture is from, which allows us to do that trick to get the _raw.

Any more sites like that to recommend? Also, I assume browser extensions or userscripts might be able to do the same things.

OneMoreAnonymous said:

• Most important of all, has anyone figured out how the reblog keys are generated? You know, that 8-character bit at the end of any reblog link. Each original post has its own reblog key, which stays the same in all reblogged copies of that post. Maybe these keys are randomly generated, which would suck, but if there's an actual method to it, it would open very interesting possibilities. For that matter, I would appreciate any insights into Tumblr's inner workings. I found a bit by googling, but still there's a lot unanswered.

Well, one thing I did notice is that using archived pages like wayback machine, these will contain links to reblog and these do seem to work even if the blog post itself has been deleted. I have succesfully obtained raw image from blog post that had been deleted with this method. So even if we can't figure out the reblog key, this already makes things pretty easy again. Also as a plus, blog export seems to be ultra fast now that everything has calmed down.

It's feeling more and more that this whole thing has been just bandage over the issue and there's constantly things that feel like huge oversights from the site. Either they do not care as long as general public can't access things or they are patching things as they go.

But it definitely does seem like the work on archiving content out of tumblr hasn't exactly ended, just takes more time and dedication. And of course safe blogs keep exsisting just fine.