First, I got a negative record for messing with a post, because I got angry, because I posted it first, and it took a LONG time tagging it, and then it got flagged and deleted, but THEN the same person who flagged it had posted it back on, and it was kept up, and not flagged or deleted. So that's why I nuked all the tags, and put a vulgar insult in their place. The Neutral record was because I didn't know every artist on the DNP list, and so I ended up getting a "Neutral Record" for "Posting Abuse". My only question is, what does a Neutral Record actually DO?

It's a slap on the wrist to say "don't do that again" before it counts at all towards your user score.

It goes like this:

neutral -> negative -> suspension -> ban

So, if you do something else that would go against the Posting Abuse rule in the Code of Conduct, you will be given a negative record instead. Again would be a suspension, then a ban. However, neutrals can be removed after six months. This is not the case with negatives.

Well first off, you should never nuke the tags on a post for any reason, nor insult anyone because of it.

Secondly, a neutral record is a temporary thing that is meant to act as a warning to not do the thing again. Going against the warning will net you another red bar.

At least, I think a neutral record is temprary.

In the future, you could check the Avoid Posting list and Ctrl-F the artist before uploading.

It helps to check the tags after adding the artist's name. Assuming the artist's name was spelled correctly, every DNP artist tag automatically adds the Avoid_Posting tag. If you accidentally upload DNP, you can flag the post for deletion yourself and no record will be given.

Heteroxon said:
First, I got a negative record for messing with a post, because I got angry, because I posted it first, and it took a LONG time tagging it, and then it got flagged and deleted, but THEN the same person who flagged it had posted it back on, and it was kept up, and not flagged or deleted. So that's why I nuked all the tags, and put a vulgar insult in their place.

So in other words, someone found a better version of something you uploaded and replaced yours with theirs, so you responded by flipping the table and name calling. Real mature.

Heteroxon said:
The Neutral record was because I didn't know every artist on the DNP list, and so I ended up getting a "Neutral Record" for "Posting Abuse".

There's a link on the uploads page and the Wiki home page leading directly to the DNP list. You should be checking that before you upload something.

Heteroxon said:
My only question is, what does a Neutral Record actually DO?

The same thing as any other record: Nothing, really. It just mentions something you've done, usually a warning for something you've done wrong.

BlueDingo said:
So in other words, someone found a better version of something you uploaded and replaced yours with theirs, so you responded by flipping the table and name calling. Real mature.

That was like a while ago though. I had issues. But I'm more polite now. This website was pretty hard to understand at first, so I pretty much spazzed-out whenever something seemed inconvenient to me.

*Flags post*

Me: *Autistic screaming*

*Deletes post*

Me: *Autistic screaming intensifies*

Me: *Sees the art on their post list*

..................................... 😀

*AUTISTIC SCREAMING INTENSIFIES*

i admire your honesty tho

Ratte said:
It's a slap on the wrist to say "don't do that again" before it counts at all towards your user score.

It goes like this:

neutral -> negative -> suspension -> ban

So, if you do something else that would go against the Posting Abuse rule in the Code of Conduct, you will be given a negative record instead. Again would be a suspension, then a ban. However, neutrals can be removed after six months. This is not the case with negatives.

good info to know. thanks

It must be nice knowing theres no forgiveness with negatives. Even if it was unintentional or only one negative. I would say that should have a expiration date too just like neutral, because over a year or more with no behavior problems just comes off as spiteful. If this was similar to the old Youtube, you would get a strike for 6 months. Get another strike and thats 6 months extends to a year plus suspension for two weeks.
But thats just me giving my view. I know my opinion doesnt matter in the end.

Jinx_Jackal said:
It must be nice knowing theres no forgiveness with negatives. Even if it was unintentional or only one negative. I would say that should have a expiration date too just like neutral, because over a year or more with no behavior problems just comes off as spiteful. If this was similar to the old Youtube, you would get a strike for 6 months. Get another strike and thats 6 months extends to a year plus suspension for two weeks.
But thats just me giving my view. I know my opinion doesnt matter in the end.

Negatives DO get forgiven, they just take much longer to be forgived. I've had a negative before, it's long gone now.

What happens is negatives, rather than disappearing after a year like neutrals, degrade to a neutral. And THEN you have to wait for the neutral to degrade, so it's a longer period needed for forgiveness.

Jinx_Jackal said:
It must be nice knowing theres no forgiveness with negatives. Even if it was unintentional or only one negative. I would say that should have a expiration date too just like neutral, because over a year or more with no behavior problems just comes off as spiteful. If this was similar to the old Youtube, you would get a strike for 6 months. Get another strike and thats 6 months extends to a year plus suspension for two weeks.
But thats just me giving my view. I know my opinion doesnt matter in the end.

If good records stick around forever, so should the bad ones.

BlueDingo said:
If good records stick around forever, so should the bad ones.

Negatives can be degraded, I've had one before. But I think it either A) takes longer or B) you have to request for its removal or C) both

DiceLovesBeingBlown said:
Negatives can be degraded, I've had one before. But I think it either A) takes longer or B) you have to request for its removal or C) both

I know they can be downgraded on request 6 months after being issued. What I'm saying is they shouldn't be.

BlueDingo said:
I know they can be downgraded on request. What I'm saying is they shouldn't be.

Ahhhhh I see I see

I can see where you're coming from, but I disagree; while I feel they should stay in some record (like a separate page history maybe) I feel retraction of records can be useful and a meaningful tool to signify growth (aka you went from messing up a lot to learning from your mistakes and helping out, or you went from helpful to an absolute shit stirrer, etc)

I feel in this way that positives should be able to be retracted too, so that they'll show up in like... a record history, but not on the user's page, if that makes sense

The records history already is a separate page. A negative record only shows up at the top of your profile page if it resulted in a ban and disappears when the ban is lifted. Beyond that, it's just a red number with a link next to it.

BlueDingo said:
The records history already is a separate page. A negative record only shows up at the top of your profile page if it resulted in a ban and disappears when the ban is lifted. Beyond that, it's just a red number with a link next to it.

Fair enough. I just do feel a separate page showing the history of all records, including lifted ones, would be nice to have. Especially to reflect on. But eh! That's just me

If records weren't removed, the existing page would do just that.

BlueDingo said:
If records weren't removed, the existing page would do just that.

True! True.

Perhaps we can rename the publicly displayed records as "accolades", while keeping all the history of normal records on the record page, even if hidden from the user page. That way we can have a positive/neutral/negative display while also keeping a comprehensive record history in the separate record page. That make sense?

What about being able to hide records on request instead of deleting them? At least then they'd still exist and admins can check them if needed while allowing users to hide the shame of past misdeeds from regular users.

BlueDingo said:
What about being able to hide records on request instead of deleting them? At least then they'd still exist and admins can check them if needed while allowing users to hide the shame of past misdeeds from regular users.

That's just as valid of an alternative! I can see that working too!

Deleting records now creates a mod action entry with the full record text.
The record decay is also explicitly only there to reward good behavior. If someone has an old, or even expired, record but keeps knowingly breaking the same thing we will still escalate the disciplinary action further.

NotMeNotYou said:
Deleting records now creates a mod action entry with the full record text.
The record decay is also explicitly only there to reward good behavior. If someone has an old, or even expired, record but keeps knowingly breaking the same thing we will still escalate the disciplinary action further.

Ahhh gotcha gotcha.

I seem to have one for "creepy comments" I don't see how they're creepy, yeah i can admit they're odd or random, but I don't see how they're creepy, one is about some animation which admittedly, isnt tip top quality, but in my opinion, it aint garbage either, and another is just an animation with Spyro and a car, and i just mention that funnily enough, i have the same car as the one in said animation and I wouldn't be too happy if spyro did stuff to it, correct me if I'm wrong but..... I dont see how they're creepy, they're just random, hell, the internet in general is way more random than my comments :P

MidnightFolf said:
I seem to have one for "creepy comments" I don't see how they're creepy, yeah i can admit they're odd or random, but I don't see how they're creepy, one is about some animation which admittedly, isnt tip top quality, but in my opinion, it aint garbage either, and another is just an animation with Spyro and a car, and i just mention that funnily enough, i have the same car as the one in said animation and I wouldn't be too happy if spyro did stuff to it, correct me if I'm wrong but..... I dont see how they're creepy, they're just random, hell, the internet in general is way more random than my comments :P

https://e621.net/wiki/show/e621:rules#creepy

MidnightFolf said:
I seem to have one for "creepy comments" I don't see how they're creepy, yeah i can admit they're odd or random, but I don't see how they're creepy, one is about some animation which admittedly, isnt tip top quality, but in my opinion, it aint garbage either, and another is just an animation with Spyro and a car, and i just mention that funnily enough, i have the same car as the one in said animation and I wouldn't be too happy if spyro did stuff to it, correct me if I'm wrong but..... I dont see how they're creepy, they're just random, hell, the internet in general is way more random than my comments :P

MidnightFolf said:
I wouldn't be too happy if Spyro came along and fucked it, I'd rather just help him out myself ;3

It's the ending bit that makes it a creepy comment.

MidnightFolf said:
I seem to have one for "creepy comments" I don't see how they're creepy, yeah i can admit they're odd or random, but I don't see how they're creepy, one is about some animation which admittedly, isnt tip top quality, but in my opinion, it aint garbage either, and another is just an animation with Spyro and a car, and i just mention that funnily enough, i have the same car as the one in said animation and I wouldn't be too happy if spyro did stuff to it, correct me if I'm wrong but..... I dont see how they're creepy, they're just random, hell, the internet in general is way more random than my comments :P

I just looked at the comments in question, and if you can't understand how that crosses the line, you really just need to stop commenting.

Good rule of thumb: nobody wants to hear what YOU would do with characters or situations presented in a picture.

it slowly kills you from the inside out.

MidnightFolf said:
*snip*

before commenting, think a little about how random stranger would react if you said that to them. im pretty sure that everyone would be creeped out if you told them that you want to fuck some fictional character.

Oh, ok then, I guess I'll just stop commenting as much :P since over on FA people don't seem to care how i comment, hell, the artists themselves usually comment back in a similar style, and anyway, since I can't help but think that way, if i see something, I'm gonna say how it is in my head, and to be honest, who is gonna search for nsfw Spyro stuff, click on something and then be like "I dont want Spyro fun times" after clicking on it? If I'm on a site which posts nsfw stuff daily, there are gonna be LOADS of people that wanna fuck fictional characters, I'm just one person who just said it in one post, as for most other users on here, they don't have to say it for me to assume that they, i dunno, want some fun with Renamon or SeaSalt or whatever, I'm not complaining, I'm just saying how i see it :P

MidnightFolf said:
Oh, ok then, I guess I'll just stop commenting as much :P since over on FA people don't seem to care how i comment, hell, the artists themselves usually comment back in a similar style, and anyway, since I can't help but think that way, if i see something, I'm gonna say how it is in my head, and to be honest, who is gonna search for nsfw Spyro stuff, click on something and then be like "I dont want Spyro fun times" after clicking on it? If I'm on a site which posts nsfw stuff daily, there are gonna be LOADS of people that wanna fuck fictional characters, I'm just one person who just said it in one post, as for most other users on here, they don't have to say it for me to assume that they, i dunno, want some fun with Renamon or SeaSalt or whatever, I'm not complaining, I'm just saying how i see it :P

It's called having tact. Oh, and general courtesy to your fellow browsers.

MidnightFolf said:
Oh, ok then, I guess I'll just stop commenting as much :P since over on FA people don't seem to care how i comment, hell, the artists themselves usually comment back in a similar style, and anyway, since I can't help but think that way, if i see something, I'm gonna say how it is in my head, and to be honest, who is gonna search for nsfw Spyro stuff, click on something and then be like "I dont want Spyro fun times" after clicking on it? If I'm on a site which posts nsfw stuff daily, there are gonna be LOADS of people that wanna fuck fictional characters, I'm just one person who just said it in one post, as for most other users on here, they don't have to say it for me to assume that they, i dunno, want some fun with Renamon or SeaSalt or whatever, I'm not complaining, I'm just saying how i see it :P

Sure, a lot of artists welcome that stuff on their personal gallery, but this is more like a museum. You think people standing around the Venus de Milo want to hear about how you want to do stuff to her? Maybe the artists who create naked artwork enjoy hearing those comments but that doesn't mean the people around the site want to.

And that's the glorious thing about the internet medium: You have to manually go in and type it all, then you have time to think about what you just said before you actually hit that post button. "Oh, right, this is the more professional setting, I should tone it down a bit."

MidnightFolf said:
Oh, ok then, I guess I'll just stop commenting as much :P since over on FA people don't seem to care how i comment, hell, the artists themselves usually comment back in a similar style, and anyway, since I can't help but think that way, if i see something, I'm gonna say how it is in my head, and to be honest, who is gonna search for nsfw Spyro stuff, click on something and then be like "I dont want Spyro fun times" after clicking on it? If I'm on a site which posts nsfw stuff daily, there are gonna be LOADS of people that wanna fuck fictional characters, I'm just one person who just said it in one post, as for most other users on here, they don't have to say it for me to assume that they, i dunno, want some fun with Renamon or SeaSalt or whatever, I'm not complaining, I'm just saying how i see it :P

As a general rule of thumb... admire the art. don't talk about how you want to ACT on the art. "Spyro's fucking gorgeous!" or "whoa, I LOVE how he's drawn here! HOT!" "His legs looks a little weird in this picture, but that ass is perfect!"

You can want spyro funtimes, but talking about how you want your dick do be doing funtimes is where the line is, roughly.

I know it does seem a little... weird and conflicting for a place like this, but we had some really big problems with people being extremely lewd.

There was one.....gentleman... who basically commented on every post something like "Whoa I want to get my cock ridden hard by her" or "I wouldn't mind if she used me for sex."

Every post.

He'd come on and post on about 40 pictures over the space of 20 minutes... then go away for 2-3 days. then come back, post frantically again about how she can use him for (vaginal) sex anytime for 20-30 minutes.... repeat. It was REALLY obvious that the act of posting about this was his fetish. he got off on it. And it was... really disruptive and people didn't like it. :c He's basically the reason the rule exists.

There's also the aspect that, while we TELL everyone to ask before uploading, not everyone does. So imagine you, as an artist, find your art on another website. You find the picture of you and your girlfriend. you find a string of people below talking about how badly they want to fuck her or you. You find elaborate micro-fiction posts about how they'd bust into the room, tie you down to a chair and make you watch as they showed your girlfriend what a REAL man is like. You find people roleplaying and you and your girlfriend in the comments.

Personally that makes my skin crawl. It might be okay in your gallery, but in someone else's website... well, I remember the time that someone commissioned artwork of my personal character being fucked by my brother's character. it was.... well, it wasn't a good feeling. I'm very glad that the artist was understanding when we begged him not to post it to any of his galleries.

In the end. do whatever you're comfy with. I understand that it can be frustrating to feel restrained like that.

Yeah, ok, I'll tone it down, sadly my mind is more of a "do it first, think after" even afterwards I'm like "wait what?" At my own stuff :P probably cuz my autism (not joking, i legit have it, even to this day I'm like "Why DO i think like this?" But meh, i just shrug and ignore it) but yeah, I'll keep things minimal at least, gonna be real difficult, as i do not do professional, no matter how hard i try to be, what I'm trying to say is, I'm an oddball but I'm not too bothered unless it's hindering (like my odd comments which even now I'm looking at them all like "what was i trying to say again?" Just ignore me, just gonna browse more than comment

MidnightFolf said:
Oh, ok then, I guess I'll just stop commenting as much :P since over on FA people don't seem to care how i comment, hell, the artists themselves usually comment back in a similar style, and anyway, since I can't help but think that way, if i see something, I'm gonna say how it is in my head, and to be honest, who is gonna search for nsfw Spyro stuff, click on something and then be like "I dont want Spyro fun times" after clicking on it? If I'm on a site which posts nsfw stuff daily, there are gonna be LOADS of people that wanna fuck fictional characters, I'm just one person who just said it in one post, as for most other users on here, they don't have to say it for me to assume that they, i dunno, want some fun with Renamon or SeaSalt or whatever, I'm not complaining, I'm just saying how i see it :P

The whole reason this rule was made was because the artists were taking down their stuff because they didn't want to see those comments on their posts on this site. Ironically, it's actually more strict on FA because artists will block anyone, without warning, for being creepy or posting even the slightest amount of negative feedback.

Is there a repeal process if you think you've been wrongly judged?

I got a neutral record saying I was role-playing in the comments, but 1. that wasn't my intent to roleplay. and 2. The comment follows the rule guidelines.

Comment in question: https://e621.net/comment/show/4288313

It's a stupid comment, I'll agree (we all make them), could possibly fall under creepy, but it was intended to be humourous and was a single, one line comment not directed at anyone, which is in accordance with the rule guidelines under roleplaying.

Yes, I could wait the six months, but I would prefer to receive due justice.

Mad_Dok said:
Is there a repeal process if you think you've been wrongly judged?

I got a neutral record saying I was role-playing in the comments, but 1. that wasn't my intent to roleplay. and 2. The comment follows the rule guidelines.

Comment in question: https://e621.net/comment/show/4288313

It's a stupid comment, I'll agree (we all make them), could possibly fall under creepy, but it was intended to be humourous and was a single, one line comment not directed at anyone, which is in accordance with the rule guidelines under roleplaying.

Yes, I could wait the six months, but I would prefer to receive due justice.

You can ask the admin on why you got the record, and possibly have it removed. But, that is not common, it's easier to just not break the rule again than argue to have the record removed.

While my opinion is irrelevant, I would see that as roleplaying between two characters. As for why it would be reported, it may be because the "... and pants are about to explode." part. While you admit that it might be creepy, it is clear that you are talking as one character to another, in the image or otherwise. Wouldn't talking to one character as another be considered roleplaying?

ratte said:
It's a slap on the wrist to say "don't do that again" before it counts at all towards your user score.

It goes like this:

neutral -> negative -> suspension -> ban

So, if you do something else that would go against the Posting Abuse rule in the Code of Conduct, you will be given a negative record instead. Again would be a suspension, then a ban. However, neutrals can be removed after six months. This is not the case with negatives.

I've got a Neutral record from as far back as July of 2020 which hasn't been removed, yet... :-(

negamajora said:
I've got a Neutral record from as far back as July of 2020 which hasn't been removed, yet... :-(

You will need to contact an admin directly for that, it is in no way an automatic process.
If they deem that you are unlikely to repeat your mistakes, then they may choose to scrub it from your record.

negamajora said:
I've got a Neutral record from as far back as July of 2020 which hasn't been removed, yet... :-(

Could be that if you have any newer neutrals, your old neutrals are "fortified". Try making sure you don't do anything to get any neutrals for six months.

negamajora said:
I've got a Neutral record from as far back as July of 2020 which hasn't been removed, yet... :-(

Newer records reset th3 timer, continued infractions will eventually become reds.

thegreatwolfgang said:
You will need to contact an admin directly for that, it is in no way an automatic process.
If they deem that you are unlikely to repeat your mistakes, then they may choose to scrub it from your record.

Yeah, I contacted the admin who originally gave them to me, and they cleared them all up. Only got 1 Neutral record now, and it was a recent one.

From what I read was I will have to contact the admin to get it repealed? I do think there should be a better repeal system in place as I have a neutral record now for trolling/spamming and refusal to use blacklist. For my cases its a meme picture I wanted to upload on discord where I didn't need a blacklist for it and two I was agreeing with other people that CP is bad

https://e621.net/comments/7137195 the comment here. In later comments I was attempting to defend my point after someone said I projecting with some strawmen arguments and in this case I feel like if I did attempt to contact the admin. I am not claiming admin abuse but I feel like this will be too much of an uphill battle just for defending my point of CP bad.

glitchyrun3 said:
From what I read was I will have to contact the admin to get it repealed? I do think there should be a better repeal system in place as I have a neutral record now for trolling/spamming and refusal to use blacklist. For my cases its a meme picture I wanted to upload on discord where I didn't need a blacklist for it and two I was agreeing with other people that CP is bad

https://e621.net/comments/7137195 the comment here. In later comments I was attempting to defend my point after someone said I projecting with some strawmen arguments and in this case I feel like if I did attempt to contact the admin. I am not claiming admin abuse but I feel like this will be too much of an uphill battle just for defending my point of CP bad.

We do not host CP.
If you continue to insist that the artwork we do host is child pornography, you will continue to receive records until you eventually get banned.

You may appeal your record by first sending a DMail to the staff member who gave it to you – in this case, it is me.
However, I can tell you right now that I do not see a reason to remove it at the moment, as you are still insistent on continuing the behavior that earned you the record in the first place.
You may appeal your record further by sending a DMail to the lead admin, NotMeNotYou.

If you get banned, you may contact NotMeNotYou via the email: [email protected].