https://twittercommunity.com/t/upcoming-changes-to-png-image-support/118695

(At least they didn't ban NSFW content too)

"The way Twitter handled PNG uploads in the past was not always consistent and could lead to large PNG images being used when a JPEG would have been preferable for image load latency and user data costs".

So, money problems basically? The problem is thst it doesn't account for the fact that some people want higher quality images.

Newgrounds doesn't allow loli/shota, but i'm hoping more artists post stuff there. First tumblr kills raw images among other things, and now twitter is trying its best to fuck over image quality.

First they kill NPCs, then they kill PNGs

Why can't we have nice things? I get in their minds this will improve user experience by marginally speeding up loading times but is anyone who knows what a compression artifact is happy about this?

Zapdos said:
Twitter are killing almost all PNGs

And yet, unlike Tumblr, where many people finally knew about the crap that Tumblr did and then migrated to sites like Newgrounds, they don't know or care about what Twitter will do and will likely stay there because, why?

We need to update our Sites and Sources pages after Feburary 11.

At least we have over a month to grab images from Twitter.

Millcore said:
Why can't we have nice things? I get in their minds this will improve user experience by marginally speeding up loading times but is anyone who knows what a compression artifact is happy about this?

Artists can have nice things by uploading here and some other places.

e621 should be a welcoming place for artists, because these big platforms will screw everyone over in a heartbeat.

Considering that majority of twitter content is already JPG to begin with, this doesn't change that much anything.

Also seems like twitter is simply focusing on their services goals more, which is to serve bit sized content really fast to all of their users, where PNG files are cumbersome to store and won't even mean anything after a week for majority of the twitter users. I mean, there's a reason why looking up tweets from year ago is absurd painful process.

All artists should seriously handle twitter like they "hey, I did a thing!" shoutbox and then have seperate account where to properly organize and archive their content.

Does this mean artists are gonna start primarily using art sites again? Ya know, actual, navigatable, "meant specifically for posting art" art sites?

ThatBIackGuy said:
Does this mean artists are gonna start primarily using art sites again? Ya know, actual, navigatable, "meant specifically for posting art" art sites?

It's an interesting question.

A lot of those "navigatable" websites actually are pretty awful in terms of presenting one's art to new audiences. I found more new cool artists on tumblr or twitter than I did in the preceding decade of art-site use... because of the ease of sharing with a new audience.

It's... pretty frustrating, honestly. Deviant art, for example, is very good in terms of browsing an artist's gallery, and whatnot... but finding more like it? Well.... not as much. there are some recomendations off to the side, but god help you if you're trying to find something new.

Deviant art's been kicking around for nearly 20 years, yet if I'm looking for something... I'm best off finding a deviation LIKE that one, and looking at the suggestions than using the search function.

Like, I'm searching for one of my favorite alien species. Pretty popular, about half of the pictures are from a single cosplay photoshoot from 2014. most of the other drawings are.... decent...ish. Most of them are half naked and/or fetish art. and I've seen all of these before. But if I click on a nicer image, I immediately get suggestions for about 10 other deviations of that species that are actually well dressed, well drawn, etc. Why?

There are.... thousands of GOOD pictures of this alien species. Like "wow, this is really professional looking" yet when I search, I get forced-feeding fan art and breast inflation over these really well put together could-be-official fanart.

why?

because alien-on-all-fours-waving-you-closer-to-her-ass and 'photomorphs' somehow rate higher to deviant art's algorithms than actual 'good' art with clothes on.

I mean, I get it: people like porn, but these pictures, most of them, aren't even *good*.

I mean, I'm speaking as a janitor here.

When I search the alien species, and look at the results (since it defaults to 'popular all time")... of the top 20 results.. I would approve... 10 of them. and some of them extremely reluctantly. (and this is assuming that cosplay is allowed here, which it isn't) ... most of these are crap.

but devart tells me there are 16000 results when I search for this alien name. (plus 9000 more if I search for the correct spelling with an apostrophe) ... so why aren't these actually good pictures part of the top of the results? I dunno.

maybe if i click "most popular 24 hours?" nope it's basically the same thing as the all time search because the 'all time' search is the default. whoops. My other other options are

• 'undiscovered' -- no relevant results.
• what's hot - This is... better. it's about 75% 'all time' results, but there are a couple of other ones! they're... alright. Decent. They've got tits anyway.
• Newest - sure there's new art here (except that one. I am pretty sure that that one is stolen...) but new doesn't mean good, and doesn't help me find high quality art.

there are some "popular 3 days, 1 week, 1 month' options ! popular 1 month actually turns out some pretty nice search results! -- Of course, for some reason, several of these pictures do not include the alien species in general, and there are still some pretty bad pieces in here-- but most of it is nice, even the vore fetish artwork. (which, I don't have anything against any of the fetishes mentioned, except that devart is suposed to be for non-adult artwork.... c_c )

There is no... 'sort by most faves' or 'most views' or 'most comments'... there's no "most viewed between these dates" or... anything like that. There best option is like.... 'search for more like this" but it's still vague.

The besssst option is like, clicking on a tag and browsing that way, which is, somehow, different than searching for the tag. somehow. and it's not really obvious that you can do this at all.

It sucks, basically. They're successful because they're big.

on tumblr or twitter, it's way easier to say "Hey, check out this art, it's cool." with an easy reblog.

The 'best' artsite would combine several of these features together: a fancy gallery, and a dashboard for stuff you follow... a separate feed for 'retweets', or personal posts etc. Imagine being able to follow someone for just art, just retweets, just for personal posts... just the tags someone uses... tumblr and deviant art combined... it'd be nice :)

but what we have right now? None of them are really 'good'. They're old and stagnant, and none of them really reflect what the modern internet looks like. People are using instagram as an art gallery because it's "better" to them than deviant art. that really says something.

ThatBIackGuy said:
Does this mean artists are gonna start primarily using art sites again? Ya know, actual, navigatable, "meant specifically for posting art" art sites?

Considering that 99.9% of artists posting on twitter don't even know about this being a thing, let alone care, extreme doubt.
If thinking realistically, can see maybe one or two artists getting some other account on top of twitter one.

The feed system on Tumblr has spoiled me too much. It actually had me much more involved in interacting with other artists and their work than DA, FA, IB, etc.

With those websites you can follow artists but their submissions will be hidden until you press the button specifically to view them, and then you can't view the descriptions or comments unless you click on them individually.

Tumblr and Twitter, however, show you what other people post as your main feed (versus Newest, or for DA Popular 24 Hours) including their descriptions and the ability to easily reveal comments for the most part.

Art sites definitely feel outdated compared to this. I wonder how Pillowfort will fit into everything, considering it has a feed like Tumblr and Twitter. At the moment I don't know anything about how they handle files though.

wolftacos said:
The feed system on Tumblr has spoiled me too much. It actually had me much more involved in interacting with other artists and their work than DA, FA, IB, etc.

With those websites you can follow artists but their submissions will be hidden until you press the button specifically to view them, and then you can't view the descriptions or comments unless you click on them individually.

Tumblr and Twitter, however, show you what other people post as your main feed (versus Newest, or for DA Popular 24 Hours) including their descriptions and the ability to easily reveal comments for the most part.

Art sites definitely feel outdated compared to this. I wonder how Pillowfort will fit into everything, considering it has a feed like Tumblr and Twitter. At the moment I don't know anything about how they handle files though.

Gee, that sounds pretty Darwinian.

As for Pillowfort.io itself, since this is a social networking website, it will likely be on the same boat as Twitter and/or Tumblr, so don't get your hopes up.

Twitter never was good with PNG anyways xd. Most of times it takes ages to load absurd res images, so good to me xD.

Heres a question i seen a post about tumblr banning nsfw stuff, what made them do something so drastic? 2nd question: i hear twitter has nsfw work (never visited twitter), hows the quality there?

Just saw this, one of the staff members handling the change is requesting feedback from artists.

This guy was pretty active in the feedback thread and seems to be a senior software engineer at Twitter so he might actually be able to influence how this change is implemented.

If you know any artists who dislike this change, you could tell them to send feedback to this guy.

ladiesandgerms said:
Heres a question i seen a post about tumblr banning nsfw stuff, what made them do something so drastic? 2nd question: i hear twitter has nsfw work (never visited twitter), hows the quality there?

To answer your first question: forum #265854

ladiesandgerms said:
Heres a question i seen a post about tumblr banning nsfw stuff, what made them do something so drastic? 2nd question: i hear twitter has nsfw work (never visited twitter), hows the quality there?

They did it to get rid of child porn. Which is stupid, because hundreds of sites have porn yet have no issue removing illegal things. Apparently they chose to keep their pedo community (why does that even exist) over their porn community

It seems they've made a compromise, so PNGs under 900×900 should remain as PNG.

JAKXXX3 said:
It seems they've made a compromise, so PNGs under 900×900 should remain as PNG.

That probably won't do much since a lot of artists upload their high-quality stuff, and a lot of the regular-sized stuff tends to be over 900 width or height anyway.

I've been saving some of the artists I liked on Twitter, but the problem is not only are they too many, but downloading takes a long time and I don't think I can save all of them in time. I'm currently using Twitter Media Downloader and I've tried some ways to save things faster, yet it's still slow. Anyone help?

Tumblr is for blogging about things.
Twitter is for short comms.

I really don't blame them for cutting back on the resource heavy media.

cerberusmod_3 said:
I've been saving some of the artists I liked on Twitter, but the problem is not only are they too many, but downloading takes a long time and I don't think I can save all of them in time. I'm currently using Twitter Media Downloader and I've tried some ways to save things faster, yet it's still slow. Anyone help?

Wait, did I miss something? Are they going to roll this change retroactively? I though this was for new media only.

Random said:
Tumblr is for blogging about things.
Twitter is for short comms.

I really don't blame them for cutting back on the resource heavy media.

Pretty much what I have been thinking. When you are browsing twitter, you mostly do not care about compression of content, you care how fast the content scrolls when you are going down on your feed on your mobile device.

However the problem is that how many people don't see it this way, keep using these sites as their primary place to post artwork and even if they use sites for artwork specifically, it turns out to be site like furaffinity, which manages to be worse from tumblr and twitter 99% of the time.

Mairo said:
Wait, did I miss something? Are they going to roll this change retroactively? I though this was for new media only.

I mean the whole "PNG Changing" thing on Twitter that we've been talking about.

Mairo said:
The problem is that how many people don't see it this way, keep using these sites as their primary place to post artwork and even if they use sites for artwork specifically, it turns out to be site like furaffinity, which manages to be worse from tumblr and twitter 99% of the time.

Gee... Why no furry artists liked InkBunny?

cerberusmod_3 said:
I mean the whole "PNG Changing" thing on Twitter that we've been talking about.
Gee... Why no furry artists liked InkBunny?

Inkbunny has the stigma of being a cub site. They also don't allow explicit works featuring humans.

cerberusmod_3 said:
I mean the whole "PNG Changing" thing on Twitter that we've been talking about.
Gee... Why no furry artists liked InkBunny?

Yeah, we are talking about twitter, but at least I assumed that the PNG change is for new tweets after the change, not old ones, thus immense backing up now didn't even cross my mind.

And from what artists I have talked about, they do not want to be connected into underaged artwork. Also most use furaffinity because that's where userbase is and majority of that userbase don't care about file quality preservation.

They just want to be more mobile user friendly, since that's what runs the world now. Hell, I've always wondered which social media site caused the most mobile devices to either lag into submission or crash.

Mairo said:
Yeah, we are talking about twitter, but at least I assumed that the PNG change is for new tweets after the change, not old ones, thus immense backing up now didn't even cross my mind.

And from what artists I have talked about, they do not want to be connected into underaged artwork. Also most use furaffinity because that's where userbase is and majority of that userbase don't care about file quality preservation.

I don't know, let's all hope that it didn't affect all of them that are over 900x900 pixels.

Yeah, but I assume they could be some way to hide something underaged. If that doesn't suit them, maybe Newgrounds?

Well, this is the worst.

I can't seems to do anything to save the entire galleries due to various issues I had when using Twitter Media Downloader. Tried on a different browser, and I thought it works better here, but as I realized, it isn't. It's mostly the same as the last one, only that the download error doesn't pop up often even after downloading too many, and if I downloaded an excessive amount of files, it slows down the browser. Maybe it's my computer's fault, as it only had a limited amount of memory, but who knows?

And today's the last day before the change. Am I too late, yet. Does this means that no more original sizes and/or transparency?

cerberusmod_3 said:
Well, this is the worst.

I can't seems to do anything to save the entire galleries due to various issues I had when using Twitter Media Downloader. Tried on a different browser, and I thought it works better here, but as I realized, it isn't. It's mostly the same as the last one, only that the download error doesn't pop up often even after downloading too many, and if I downloaded an excessive amount of files, it slows down the browser. Maybe it's my computer's fault, as it only had a limited amount of memory, but who knows?

And today's the last day before the change. Am I too late, yet. Does this means that no more original sizes and/or transparency?

Besides the one I already mentioned to you, here's another one https://dalehay.me/comment/1017/.

AoBird said:
Besides the one I already mentioned to you, here's another one https://dalehay.me/comment/1017/.

No thanks, and I kinda forgot what stuff you'd already mentioned?

And Mairo, what do you mean it only affecting the new tweets?

cerberusmod_3 said:
No thanks, and I kinda forgot what stuff you'd already mentioned?

And Mairo, what do you mean it only affecting the new tweets?

Why are you complaining if you don't want to use anything (to download what you need) lol.

AoBird said:
Why are you complaining if you don't want to use anything (to download what you need) lol.

There isn't any single good Twitter downloader I know on the Internet. Plus, there is no time, it will happened tomorrow.

cerberusmod_3 said:
There isn't any single good Twitter downloader I know on the Internet. Plus, there is no time, it will happened tomorrow.

How do you know if you haven't tried what I suggested?
They seemed to work fairly well to me.

AoBird said:
How do you know if you haven't tried what I suggested?
They seemed to work fairly well to me.

I haven't used it yet, but I can assume that they are probably the same as the extensions I've currently used in terms of speed, likely because of the limited memory I had, but also because of my weak Internet connection.

Maybe you could leave links so someone else could help you (like me for example).

AoBird said:
Maybe you could leave links so someone else could help you (like me for example).

Here's the extentions I've been currently using:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/twitter-media-downloader/cblpjenafgeohmnjknfhpdbdljfkndig?hl=en
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tw-media-downloader/

Maybe you should try it if you will.

cerberusmod_3 said:
Here's the extentions I've been currently using:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/twitter-media-downloader/cblpjenafgeohmnjknfhpdbdljfkndig?hl=en
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tw-media-downloader/

Maybe you should try it if you will.

Links to galleries...

AoBird said:
Links to galleries...

Okay. But what gallery?

cerberusmod_3 said:
Okay. But what gallery?

cerberusmod_3 said:
I've been saving some of the artists I liked on Twitter, but the problem is not only are they too many, but downloading takes a long time and I don't think I can save all of them in time. I'm currently using Twitter Media Downloader and I've tried some ways to save things faster, yet it's still slow. Anyone help?

The ones you want to save of course.

AoBird said:
The ones you want to save of course.

It's mostly consist of Japanese Kemono artist. Problem is, like I said before, they are way too many of them to list, not to mention that some had a disproportionate amount.

For a list, here are some of them:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/7gveqc69ullhbgc/Kemotwitter+lists.txt

Well, time is running out and I still haven't finished saving half of them, meaning that I'm likely to fail.

cerberusmod_3 said:
It's mostly consist of Japanese Kemono artist. Problem is, like I said before, they are way too many of them to list, not to mention that some had a disproportionate amount.

For a list, here are some of them:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/7gveqc69ullhbgc/Kemotwitter+lists.txt

Well, time is running out and I still haven't finished saving half of them, meaning that I'm likely to fail.

Are you working on some of these? I don't want us to do duplicate work.

AoBird said:
Are you working on some of these? I don't want us to do duplicate work.

I'm just trying to save it for archival use.

cerberusmod_3 said:
I'm just saving it for archival use.

That's not the answer to my question.

AoBird said:
That's not the answer to my question.

That!'s because I don't understand what you're saying.

cerberusmod_3 said:
That!'s because I don't understand what you're saying.

Have you/are you downloading images from some artist on this list?
I need to know what you have done to avoid doing the same work.

AoBird said:
Have you/are you downloading images from some artist on this list?
I need to know what you have done to avoid doing the same work.

Quite simple, I just press the download button beside the media button, then leave the settings as if they were, and then press start. Simple, but sometimes, it needs some changes depending on the issues, like changing the size limit, untick video (god, videos are the slowest), etc.

There is also a Tweet ID range, which allows me to continue downloading until it's finished.

cerberusmod_3 said:
Quite simple, I just press the download button beside the media button, then leave the settings as if they were, and then press start. Simple, but sometimes, it needs some changes depending on the issues, like changing the size limit, untick video (god, videos are the slowest), etc.

Again, not an answer to my question.

cerberusmod_3 said:
For a list, here are some of them:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/7gveqc69ullhbgc/Kemotwitter+lists.txt

That list with artists you've shared, have you worked on any of those?

That list is way too long lol. I downloaded over 13.5k images and I don't even see the list shortening. Sorry but that's enough for me now.

AoBird said:
Again, not an answer to my question.

That list with artists you've shared, have you worked on any of those?

Well, yes and no.

AoBird said:
That list is way too long lol. I downloaded over 13.5k images and I don't even see the list shortening. Sorry but that's enough for me now.

Told you.

Now that today has finally come, it will happened now. It will happened now. It's over.

So... Is it happening?

Here are the images from some of those artists I downloaded.
https://ufile.io/wtvo0