Topic: Why aren't users capable of deleting their own uploads?

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No matter what, only admins can delete images/posts that are uploaded into the website.

If you'd posted something wrong, just flag it and say "Wrong Upload".

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Wolfgang415 said:
No matter what, only admins can delete images/posts that are uploaded into the website.

If you'd posted something wrong, just flag it and say "Wrong Upload".

What if they want it gone right away? They shouldn't have to waste an admins time on something so tiny.

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AKBAR_THE_CORNCOB said:
What if they want it gone right away? They shouldn't have to waste an admins time on something so tiny.

The admins would also want a reason on why are you deleting this post from the website.

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Genjar

Former Staff

Can you imagine what would happen if some top uploader decided to delete thousands of posts at once?

Nah, non-admins should never be allowed to delete posts.

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What about the ability to remove a post before it's approved by an admin?

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Ko-san said:
What about the ability to remove a post before it's approved by an admin?

That would be a great idea!

(geek talk here)
But for admins to add command codes to allow members to remove posts by them before they are approved need a lot of change in the website's CSS.

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Ko-san said:
What about the ability to remove a post before it's approved by an admin?

And with this, the said deleted images shouldn't count towards the users total deleted posts, because I assume this would be more like accident clean up...

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AKBAR_THE_CORNCOB said:
What if they want it gone right away? They shouldn't have to waste an admins time on something so tiny.

OFF TOPIC: Hmm I'm noticing a trend...

Well, our current system is not friendly to deleted stuff. Eventually, if you have too many deletions, you can't upload anymore.

Genjar said:
Can you imagine what would happen if some top uploader decided to delete thousands of posts at once?

Nah, non-admins should never be allowed to delete posts.

I agree and like I've mentioned, that person wouldn't be able to post anymore if he decided to mass delete his uploads. Plus, it hurts the site with all that loss of art and many users will not like it when their favorites are deleted (Ex. comics and other stuff)

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Wolfgang415 said:
The admins would also want a reason on why are you deleting this post from the website.

How about, it's your's?

TheHuskyK9 said:
OFF TOPIC: Hmm I'm noticing a trend...

Well, our current system is not friendly to deleted stuff. Eventually, if you have too many deletions, you can't upload anymore.

I agree and like I've mentioned, that person wouldn't be able to post anymore if he decided to mass delete his uploads. Plus, it hurts the site with all that loss of art and many users will not like it when their favorites are deleted (Ex. comics and other stuff)

Genjar said:
Can you imagine what would happen if some top uploader decided to delete thousands of posts at once?

Nah, non-admins should never be allowed to delete posts.

But it would still be THEIR posts, right? I mean, can't they just make a limit like upload size? Like, let's say you get 20 uploads a day, or whatever it is, then you can delete 20 uploads a day. That way, let's say you accidentally post a DNP pool withiut realizing its DNP, you can get rid of it, and there's no reprocussions.

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It wouldn't be a good idea overall because some people will then upload lots of troll/lulzy stuff then delete it just for the hell of it. Also, imagine all the people who randomly get mad about the smallest details, like I don't know, some picture getting bad comments on it and the uploader decides to delete that for that reason, and the people who got banned here would just decide to delete everything as a souvenir.

However what could be nice is a new feature that would make you able to tag some of your uploads as yours. It would be good for artists there who would want to update a picture, or just reupload one because the picture had a wrong detail or two

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Neitsuke said:
It wouldn't be a good idea overall because some people will then upload lots of troll/lulzy stuff then delete it just for the hell of it.

Or worse. I can imagine it now. From what I understand, "deleted" posts are still around in the database, one reason being that it will prevent an identical image from being reuploaded. There's probably other, more technical, reasons for it too. You can even bring up a deleted image if you know how to get the direct link to it (I won't be sharing the method, obviously). So imagine that someone uploads real life child porn, then deletes it immediately. If no admin catches the post for the few seconds it's on the front page in time to destroy the post entirely (removing it from the database), then that uploader could then attempt to report the site for hosting CP on its servers.

It wouldn't be impossible to clear up, hopefully, but it would likely take a lot of time, effort, and lawyer's fees in order to do so. So yeah, no. Not even a tiny grace period would be able to stop something like that.

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What if someone like me one day decided to wipe everything they ever posted? That's thousands of posts POOF gone. There are a lot of users with a lot of uploads who would be one bad day away from the loss of countless images.

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AKBAR_THE_CORNCOB said:
How about, it's your's?

But it would still be THEIR posts, right? I mean, can't they just make a limit like upload size? Like, let's say you get 20 uploads a day, or whatever it is, then you can delete 20 uploads a day. That way, let's say you accidentally post a DNP pool withiut realizing its DNP, you can get rid of it, and there's no reprocussions.

Peeps are already saying that we "steal" the art from an artist's FA or inkbun or etc, and technically no, the posts are not ours as they belong to the artist and/or character owners (hence why we encourage users to ask for permission first to upload their stuff on here so that they won't file a takedown and etc.)

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Its bad enough when artists go missing, or into hiding and delete all their art from all their sites. Why give people who dont own the art that power?

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There is a completely different can of worms as well with the site's limitations, a once deleted image can't be uploaded again, and most people don't post art that belongs to them.

Someone could upload stuff and delete it for the sole purpose that nobody else can upload and/or look at it.

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I think one of the strengths of this website is that it is collabroatively run by a bunch of people instead of individual users setting up their own private kingdoms. The postives are that there's one comprehensive and consistent system for tags, sources, organization, definitions, etc. Everything passes through countless hands from beginning to end. Source broken? Anyone can fix it. Tags missing? anyone can fix it. Comic updated? Anyone can upload the new page. Etc etc. Uploading, approving, tagging, sourcing, rating, voting, commenting, favoriting, wiki upkeep, notations, descriptions: nothing belongs to just one person. And I think that's a strength because we get a lot more that's functionally accessible and kept up-to-date from allowing multiple people to maintain everything and add input.

AKBAR_THE_CORNCOB said:
How about, it's your's?...
But it would still be THEIR posts, right?

But it is NOT yours. Uploading something shares it with the site. But it does not give you any rights over it because simply finding it doesn't make it yours. That's why we put the sources, that's why we credit the artist and the copyright and the characters wherever possible. Because it's not yours, it never was yours, and this site wouldn't be able to exist if it had that attitude.

The only exception would be when an artist uploads their own artwork. But artists are still given control over their art through being allowed to use the takedown system when they change their mind about a picture or have made an updated version of one of their art pieces and want the old one taken down. So in reality, the fact they don't get special treatment as an uploader is irrelevant, because there's an entire system set up to allow them to easily get any piece they made deleted for whatever reason if the need arises. But no one else has that authority because it belongs to no one else.

However, I know you're not talking about art of your own, that you made yourself, and that you actually do own... because the only thing you've uploaded to this site was something you found while browsing iFunny. If you were try try and claim that as your own just because you uploaded it then that would be art theft. You just cannot claim credit for something you did not make yourself. That's why uploaders are not given any special control over their uploads. Because uploading does not make them own it in any sense of the word. (you do get a tiny little credit for being the one who uploaded it, but that's it). If the uploader happens to also be the artist then they already have that control just by virtue of being the one who created it. And that's true no matter who uploads it, because the artist is the only one who has a right to that level of control over the upload. There might be an exception for character owners, but if an artist and a character owner went head-to-head I don't know who would win.

In any case, I know this is a little strongly written and I apologise for that. But this is a very important point: you cannot treat uploads as "yours" if the content is not 100% yours. That attitude towards other people's work (writing, art, etc) can get you in a hell of a lot of trouble both in real life and in most sites on the internet. It's a very big "no-no" in almost any context. You just can't do that.

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Blodsho said:
*You can even bring up a deleted image if you know how to get the direct link to it (I won't be sharing the method, obviously).

*So imagine that someone uploads real life child porn, then deletes it immediately. If no admin catches the post for the few seconds it's on the front page in time to destroy the post entirely (removing it from the database) then that uploader could then attempt to report the
site for hosting CP on its servers.

If the uploader is to report child pornography on this website, he would meet the FBI on his doorstep with a conviction for possessing child porn.

The website would be shut down until further investigation from the FBI.

The majority of proofs would point to the uploader.

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Blodsho said:
Or worse. I can imagine it now. From what I understand, "deleted" posts are still around in the database, one reason being that it will prevent an identical image from being reuploaded. There's probably other, more technical, reasons for it too. You can even bring up a deleted image if you know how to get the direct link to it (I won't be sharing the method, obviously). So imagine that someone uploads real life child porn, then deletes it immediately. If no admin catches the post for the few seconds it's on the front page in time to destroy the post entirely (removing it from the database), then that uploader could then attempt to report the site for hosting CP on its servers.

It wouldn't be impossible to clear up, hopefully, but it would likely take a lot of time, effort, and lawyer's fees in order to do so. So yeah, no. Not even a tiny grace period would be able to stop something like that.

You do realize that admins and mods can see deleted posts, and are capable of destroying posts completely, right?
At least that's what I've been told.
The DNP's/reposts are deleted, but some posts are destroyed, I'm not sure which images fell into this category on the site to warrant this though, but I do know it has occurred during the life of this site.

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Moon_Moon said:
You do realize that admins and mods can see deleted posts, and are capable of destroying posts completely, right?
At least that's what I've been told.
The DNP's/reposts are deleted, but some posts are destroyed, I'm not sure which images fell into this category on the site to warrant this though, but I do know it has occurred during the life of this site.

Anything illegal or if it would cause trouble to the site (infected).

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