Topic: Remove maleherm -> herm implication?

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

This issue has been mentioned countless times, so I'll keep this simple. This is not a proposal to expand the functionality of the current tags, it's simply a few suggestions to improve what already exists through modifying the rules of existing tags. The ultimate goal is to make tagging more uniform and make searching more convenient, at minimal expense to the people doing the tagging and wiki edits.

These are separate options, listed in order of amount of reorganization needed (ascending).

1. Remove the maleherm -> herm implication

Maleherm already has its own accessory tags and the meaning is obvious from the name alone if the user is familiar with the other more popular gender tags. De-implication would separate the two terms, letting people do searches like herm maleherm duo to reliably find a herm character and a maleherm character. Currently the implication gives a maleherm character two gender tags.

My suggested tag script:
if maleherm, -herm

After the change, the tags would resemble this:

  • intersex
    • ...
    • herm: A hermaphrodite character who is female-presenting.
    • maleherm: A hermaphrodite character who is male-presenting.
2. Add femaleherm

Herm would act as an umbrella group for maleherm and femaleherm (akin to intersex:dickgirl, cuntboy, herm, etc.), which is an improvement because the tag served two different purposes: representing all hermaphrodite characters, and representing hermaphrodite characters who are not maleherm (there are no other tags implicate to herm that don't explicitly have it in their name).

This would move the responsibility of representing feminine herm characters to femaleherm, and maintain the responsibility of an umbrella term to the herm tag.

My suggested tag script:
if herm -maleherm, femaleherm

After the change, the tags would resemble this:

3. Implicate cuntboy -> female and male -> dickgirl

Keeping the site uniform will make it more predictable for the userbase. If the two characters appeared to possess the same biological sex, and they have different names for their gender based on their (non-sexual) appearance, then the masculine version of the sex should imply the feminine version.

None of the herm tags are affected, no new tags are created, and the tagging system becomes more uniform! How neat is that, everyone wins!

My suggested tag script:
( none required! :3 )

After the change, the tags would resemble this:

  • female: A character who possess female reproductive organs, regardless of presentation or secondary sex characteristics.
  • dickgirl: A character who possess male reproductive organs, regardless of presentation or secondary sex characteristics.
  • herm: A character who possess both male and female reproductive organs, regardless of presentation or secondary sex characteristics.

tl;dr

It's weird how the rules are totally different between cuntboy:female / male:dickgirl and herm:maleherm, despite these three pairs being functionally the same (masculine/feminine versions of the same biological sex (or breasts/no breasts if you prefer)).
cuntboy:female, both tags are separate and do not imply each other. They are differentiated on basis of physical appearance, even though they have the same primary (absolutely necessary) reproductive organs.

All three of these solutions aim to amend this inequality, or at least make them somewhat relevant to each other.

Updated by SnowWolf

Damn that implication is old. I've removed it because we've been using them independently of each other for years now.

Updated by anonymous

NotMeNotYou said:
Damn that implication is old. I've removed it because we've been using them independently of each other for years now.

wow, thanks, that was easy.

i was thinking it was old because nobody wanted to change, but I guess nobody noticed lol.

Updated by anonymous

NotMeNotYou said:
Damn that implication is old. I've removed it because we've been using them independently of each other for years now.

Forgot to re-add the implication on to intersex

Magikarp said:

3. Implicate cuntboy -> female and male -> dickgirl

Keeping the site uniform will make it more predictable for the userbase. If the two characters appeared to possess the same biological sex, and they have different names for their gender based on their (non-sexual) appearance, then the masculine version of the sex should imply the feminine version.

None of the herm tags are affected, no new tags are created, and the tagging system becomes more uniform! How neat is that, everyone wins!

My suggested tag script:
( none required! :3 )

After the change, the tags would resemble this:

  • female: A character who possess female reproductive organs, regardless of presentation or secondary sex characteristics.
  • dickgirl: A character who possess male reproductive organs, regardless of presentation or secondary sex characteristics.
  • herm: A character who possess both male and female reproductive organs, regardless of presentation or secondary sex characteristics.

This makes no sense as it would create the same problem in the male,female, dickgirl and cuntboy tags that you asserted was a problem existing in
the former herm -> maleherm implication

Updated by anonymous

Magikarp said:
wow, thanks, that was easy.

i was thinking it was old because nobody wanted to change, but I guess nobody noticed lol.

with 10 years of site history, it's pretty hard to know everything that's going on.

Now, since Nimmy didn't reply to the rest of this...

1 - sounds good.

2 - Female herm gets a little more tricksy.

On principal, I agree.

However, this isn't so simple. there are 965 maleherm posts, which is a pretty casual walk through the site in the afternoon. one or two people could tidy that up pretty quickly. There are 12,081 herm posts, though which is..... a lot more.

Okay. and right now, there are lot of tags that involve "herm" in some respect. herm_focus, herm_on_taur, etc. which adds a lot to our processing time here. Which is fine. It's a pretty great time to make sure that herm_on_anthro implies both herm and anthro and intersex on anthro, but...

Gosh, I just woke up. I am nearly positive that's a really big BUT right in here that makes this less doable, but I can't figure out what it is.

This would be a nice idea, though.

3 - this is where I have to stomp on the breaks though.

not only no, but no.

emphastically no.

we have SO much shit because we do not distinguish between cuntboys and transmen. (aside of the visibly_trans tag)

Transmen.

now imagine how angry people would be if we then labled all of those transmale characters as "female" too.

I am among those people by the way.

Transmen are men. Transwomen are women.

And, in this lovely world we live in, some people are very happy being masculine presenting but with female parts. Or female presenting with male parts! and that's FINE. We don't need to live in two boxes.

AND, in our fantastic fictional furry world, some characters ARE just born that way.

Not only THAT, but it would basically fuck up our search results.

post #1822860 post #1825480 post #1820353

Someone searching "female" will not be satisfied with that result. Someone searching "male" will not be satisfied with the results. That's why we tag them 'cuntboy.' If someone wants to see a pussy, they can search for pussy.

post #1836736 post #1802663 post #1785349

Someone searching "male" will not be satisfied with that result. Someone searching "female" will not be satisfied with the results. That's why we tag them 'dickgirl.' If someone wants to see a penis, they can search for penis.

I am gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here, so.

Let me just tell you: This suggestion, while, I am assuming it was well intentioned, is almost transphobic in it's nature. A lot of people may find this offensive and I honestly wouldn't blame them. :/

This is not a change we will be making.

Updated by anonymous

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