This is my first forum post here but I have been on this site for a while now.

I think this is the best site for fictional porn.
Tagging system is great, the collection is great, lots of great features.
However what always bothered me about this site is that it's mostly furry or basically just non-human.

I mean it's my favorite type of content but as a "porn collector" or "enthusiast" as you can tell by the number of images I have favorited I would love to have all of my porn on one place.
I hate having an account for e621, then Gelbooru, Hentai-Foundry, rule34 etc.
A lot of content overlaps given it's not just furry stuff which other sites allow but are still inferior.
It would be best to have it all on one place and e621 is the best choice obviously.

There is lots of great content with humans only such as superheroes, videogame characters, movie characters that are human. Lots of great rule 34 stuff and such.
It's a shame I have to hop sites instead having it all here with this superior tag system and sorting system.

Would it ever be possible to change the rules so it accepts other similar types of content such as I mentioned above?

I mean we already allow Elves which are often drawn exactly like a human but with slightly pointy ears and I don't think anyone minds it.
Maybe if people are afraid of it getting cluttered and harder to find furry images you could just use the great tag system this site has or maybe make an even easier way to filter out the human only stuff.
(I mean some things that would be considered human here aren't actually human but look human so they get banned anyways, like some human looking depictions of gods and such).

If this got implemented I have lots of great content saved up to share and it would make this the ULTIMATE site and increase the traffic a lot on here I think.
I never posted on a porn site before and I would never usually do this but I think this would be really good and make life easier and make this site much better.

What do you think guys?

No.

We are furry artwork archive and there has been steps trying to prevent non-furry content, last major being "steven universe ban" aka colored humans are not allowed.

Instead, we would simply need more safe artwork and those willing to upload more safe content as well so that this site won't fall further into pornsite hole.

chromos7 said:

I mean we already allow Elves which are often drawn exactly like a human but with slightly pointy ears and I don't think anyone minds it.

Personally I think there's already way too much of this.

Is this going to be a monthly thread now?

chromos7 said:
This is my first forum post here but I have been on this site for a while now.

I think this is the best site for fictional porn.
Tagging system is great, the collection is great, lots of great features.
However what always bothered me about this site is that it's mostly furry or basically just non-human.

I mean it's my favorite type of content but as a "porn collector" or "enthusiast" as you can tell by the number of images I have favorited I would love to have all of my porn on one place.
I hate having an account for e621, then Gelbooru, Hentai-Foundry, rule34 etc.
A lot of content overlaps given it's not just furry stuff which other sites allow but are still inferior.
It would be best to have it all on one place and e621 is the best choice obviously.

There is lots of great content with humans only such as superheroes, videogame characters, movie characters that are human. Lots of great rule 34 stuff and such.
It's a shame I have to hop sites instead having it all here with this superior tag system and sorting system.

Would it ever be possible to change the rules so it accepts other similar types of content such as I mentioned above?

I mean we already allow Elves which are often drawn exactly like a human but with slightly pointy ears and I don't think anyone minds it.
Maybe if people are afraid of it getting cluttered and harder to find furry images you could just use the great tag system this site has or maybe make an even easier way to filter out the human only stuff.
(I mean some things that would be considered human here aren't actually human but look human so they get banned anyways, like some human looking depictions of gods and such).

If this got implemented I have lots of great content saved up to share and it would make this the ULTIMATE site and increase the traffic a lot on here I think.
I never posted on a porn site before and I would never usually do this but I think this would be really good and make life easier and make this site much better.

What do you think guys?

This isn't a porn website it's a furry art archive.
I honestly hate the idea of this site becoming too large, or "mainstream" as this tends to lead to more trolls, hackers, spammers etc. The Admins do a good job of preventing such activities and I fear that such site changes would change that.

What's wrong with it being a pornsite? It is one. This site has a SFW version. What's the point of trying to not make it a pornsite? Everyone already considers it a pornsite.

Adding more content surely can't hurt it and you can just make a sort button the removes the content with non-furry tags. There is already a bunch like xenomorphs, star wars aliens and such.

This just seems like a lot of wasted potential.

The point is that human porn art sites are a dime a dozen.
Let furries have their own place so we don't have to dig through trash because honestly, human porn art tends to be low tier.

...What's the point of a SFW version of a porn site? We used to accept human-only content, but over time further and further restricted it to what it is now, where human-only content is only allowed if it's in a pool containing otherwise relevant content. Much of this was done out of the interest of the userbase.

We're not required to be like everyone else. If you want that kind of content, go to those other sites.

Ratte said:
...What's the point of a SFW version of a porn site? We used to accept human-only content, but over time further and further restricted it to what it is now, where human-only content is only allowed if it's in a pool containing otherwise relevant content. Much of this was done out of the interest of the userbase.

We're not required to be like everyone else. If you want that kind of content, go to those other sites.

That begs the question: What is the point of e926?

Kodanis said:
That begs the question: What is the point of e926?

It's a SFW version of e6, which isn't a porn site? It's also where updates and fixes are deployed before they're integrated into e6.

Ratte said:
It's a SFW version of e6, which isn't a porn site? It's also where updates and fixes are deployed before they're integrated into e6.

I see. Sorry dumb question.

When people say this is a porn website, they are quite essentially correct, but only because this site happens to have a lot of porn posted to it. The reason this site works so well is because it is run like an archive. There are many nice things about this site, including the strict moderation and art standards, the reasonable number of ads, and the extremely low bandwidth usage. It has a well-defined curation, which makes it possible to see every artwork that is posted. Try doing that anywhere else.

I like humans in my furry art from time to time, but if a flood of ordinary human art came pouring onto this site I would ditch so fast. And good luck to the staff in approving all the posts haha.

chromos7 said:
I mean we already allow Elves which are often drawn exactly like a human but with slightly pointy ears and I don't think anyone minds it.

I mind it, and have been vocal in the past in my opinion that elves and other extremely-similar-to-human characters ought to be banned.

This is like walking into cake shop and being like "Hey, I love this place but I think it would be a whole lot better if you had some lunch options like sandwiches and soups. Lunch is pretty popular, think about it."

chromos7 said:
Adding more content surely can't hurt it ...

Actually it really, really can hurt it. Have you seen what porn sites look like compared to this? e621 is clean, well operated, and usually a good experience because admin have stated a clear vision for what the site is and stick to it.

chromos7 said:
Tagging system is great, the collection is great, lots of great features.
However what always bothered me about this site is that it's mostly furry or basically just non-human.

When I read this, what I hear you saying is: "The creators of e621 have developed tools I'd like to have for my porn, and therefore, they should repurpose their hard work into a porn site so I can have what I want."

TheHuskyK9 said:
This is like walking into cake shop and being like "Hey, I love this place but I think it would be a whole lot better if you had some lunch options like sandwiches and soups. Lunch is pretty popular, think about it."

Or like you start up this awesome gig you're really happy with where you turn people into dinosaurs but then some little dork in a costume shows up and tells you that you should be curing cancer instead.

-1

TheHuskyK9 said:
This is like walking into cake shop and being like "Hey, I love this place but I think it would be a whole lot better if you had some lunch options like sandwiches and soups. Lunch is pretty popular, think about it."

are you telling me other people don't eat cake for lunch

-1. Yes, this is one of the best sites for art. The tagging system is excellent. And it's maintained and updated because it has dedicated contributors, drawn to a specific focus on furry art.

Elves are currently allowed but hopefully they'll close that loophole soon. Not_furry stuff is already undertagged and hard to filter out. Maybe it doesn't seem that way to you because you're not doing the tagging.

TheHuskyK9 said:
This is like walking into cake shop and being like "Hey, I love this place but I think it would be a whole lot better if you had some lunch options like sandwiches and soups. Lunch is pretty popular, think about it."

Like walking into a Thai restaurant and asking why they don't have orange chicken.

chromos7 said:I think this is the best site for fictional porn.
Tagging system is great, the collection is great, lots of great features.
...
and e621 is the best choice obviously.

Thanks! :)

I mean we already allow Elves which are often drawn exactly like a human but with slightly pointy ears and I don't think anyone minds it.

Quite a few do, actually. And others don't.

chromos7 said:
What's wrong with it being a pornsite? It is one. This site has a SFW version. What's the point of trying to not make it a pornsite? Everyone already considers it a pornsite.

I like this place for the SFW stuff, honestly. the VAST majority of my uploads are SFW.

Adding more content surely can't hurt it

It can, actually.

We have a number of staff. They can approve a certain number of posts a day.
we have a number of posts each day. (pretty close to 1000 poosts a day, by the way)

our staff members can generally manage the number of posts posted every day. It gets snug sometimes-- especially when peopel are busy or sick. (we're all volunteers over here, remember?)

Now.

let's say we suddenly start accepting human stuff, and get an influx of new people, all interested in posting human and humanish things. Since furries are a minority, and there are lots of people with interested in illustrated human pornography, let's say that in 6 months, we have twice as many users, and twice as many uploads.

Where will we find twice as many staff members? It's easy to say that in twice as many users, we'll have twice as many staff members... but tha'ts not true.

Like babies, users take time to be born, to grow up and becoem adults. I'm not gonna look it up right now, but all of the staff have been here years, because we're a complicated website with lots of rules, and it takes time not only to learn the website, but to SHOW that you know the website by using it. Also, few people are interested in hanging out on a porn site for years at a time -- there are a lot of people who come and go for days or weeks at a time, with vacations in between. Consistency and staying power are important too.

We would have to lower our standards, and no one wants that. :c

SnowWolf said:
we have a number of posts each day. (pretty close to 1000 poosts a day, by the way)

Feels like half that amount tbh.

SnowWolf said:
We would have to lower our standards

Sounds like paheal.

Cane751 said:
Feels like half that amount tbh.

I don't have time to count individual posts right now. My search results display about 100 posts per page. so 3 pages is 200-300 posts.

Starting from date:2019-05-29 status:all...

So about 9 pages on average, or about 800-900 posts a day, with several in the 900-1000 range.

15 days, two 8 page days, seven 9 days, and six 10 page days.

so that means on the typical day we can assume that 800-1000 posts are posted.

So, while it might feel like half, believe me, it isn't.

And there are days were more or posted, or less. like the 12th which has 12 pages, and the 11th with 11 pages (I couldn't make that up if I tried... interestingly, the pattern holds until the 8th, with another 12 pages.)(these'd bump the average a fair bit, BTW)

So, not "around 1000"... but "pretty close to 1000"

Sounds like paheal.

Yeah, can we not, please.

Cane751 said:
paheal

That site gives me virulent cancer.

SnowWolf said:
So, while it might feel like half, believe me, it isn't.

SnowWolf said:
So, not "around 1000"... but "pretty close to 1000"

My bad, I worded that part wrong. I meant looks like half that amount. (nearly half in this case)
It was based on this where it says "average posts per day" ...it currently shows 420.

not_furry

Cane751 said:
My bad, I worded that part wrong. I meant looks like half that amount. (nearly half in this case)
It was based on this where it says "average posts per day" ...it currently shows 420.

Average posts per day since the beginning of the page vs current daily average posts per day.

-Flashlight- said:
not_furry -humanoid

are you trying to use that as a "gotcha!" or...? because there is five kinds of posts in that search:
1. humanoids missing the humanoid tag
2. one human only post that was so recently posted that staff havent deleted it yet
3. zero pictured posts
4. posts from time before the stricter reinforcing of the no human only posts
5. human only posts that are part of furry content (like transformation sequences)

yeah idk why i put -humanoid

-Flashlight- said:
yeah idk why i put -humanoid

i still dont see the point of linking the not furry tag

NotMeNotYou said:
Average posts per day since the beginning of the page vs current daily average posts per day.

Sounds like average posts per day is excluded from the rest of the stats.
The "refreshed once a day" text somewhat throws me off.

Cane751 said:
Sounds like average posts per day is excluded from the rest of the stats.
The "refreshed once a day" text somewhat throws me off.

I could be wrong, but I think NMNY meant to say that it's average posts per day from the start of the site. So the first few years there weren't many uploads, and only recently it spiked to nearly 1000, so it'd take a while for the average to catch up.

An "average posts per day in the last 30 days" stat might be more useful.

To be honest, I'd be interested in seeing a graph of how many posts were posted per month, since the start of the site, just to see how big the spike is.

I guess it's also a (sort of) way to measure how popular the site is. Though really popularity would need to be on how many people viewed the site, rather than uploads, but it could still give a rough estimate.

All this talk about how popular e621 is has got me wondering exactly how popular it is in Internet traffic, so I checked Alexa Internet since their tracking systems would be a better gauge of popularity than just "daily average number of posts".

According to them, e621 is ranked (as of May 31, 2019) #2,713 globally, #917 in the United States, #1,054 in the United Kingdom, #1,618 in Germany, #1,223 in Canada, and #4,302 in Japan.

BooruHitomi said:
All this talk about how popular e621 is has got me wondering exactly how popular it is in Internet traffic, so I checked Alexa Internet since their tracking systems would be a better gauge of popularity than just "daily average number of posts".

According to them, e621 is ranked (as of May 31, 2019) #2,713 globally, #917 in the United States, #1,054 in the United Kingdom, and #1,618 in Germany.

out of what total

Versperus said:
out of what total

Out of 30 million websites that they track according to their Wikipedia article. As for how their traffic ranking system works, this is what they say in the Global Rank tooltip:

Alexa Traffic Rank
An estimate of this site's popularity.

The rank is calculated using a combination of average daily visitors to this site and pageviews on this site over the past 3 months. The site with the highest combination of visitors and pageviews is ranked #1.

BTW, Google.com is ranked #1. No surprise there.

SnowWolf said:
I don't have time to count individual posts right now. My search results display about 100 posts per page. so 3 pages is 200-300 posts.

Starting from date:2019-05-29 status:all...

date in may	number of pages
29	10
28	8
27	8
26	9
25	9
24	10
23	9
22	10
21	9
20	10
19	10
18	9
17	9
16	9
15	10
Average	9.2

So about 9 pages on average, or about 800-900 posts a day, with several in the 900-1000 range.

15 days, two 8 page days, seven 9 days, and six 10 page days.

so that means on the typical day we can assume that 800-1000 posts are posted.

So, while it might feel like half, believe me, it isn't.

And there are days were more or posted, or less. like the 12th which has 12 pages, and the 11th with 11 pages (I couldn't make that up if I tried... interestingly, the pattern holds until the 8th, with another 12 pages.)(these'd bump the average a fair bit, BTW)

So, not "around 1000"... but "pretty close to 1000"

That is insane. I knew the staff was busy, but I had no idea that the numbers were this huge on a daily basis.

I can easily see why it can take a while for some posts to be approved.

IndigoHeat said:
That is insane. I knew the staff was busy, but I had no idea that the numbers were this huge on a daily basis.

I can easily see why it can take a while for some posts to be approved.

Also once again reminder, if you see anyone doing a great job, report the user and put in reason what they are doing great.

Especially last week or so have kinda seemed like we desperately need new staff as we aren't prepared for cases where several staff members have real life stuff happening at the same time and we can't exactly hire temp workers here.

Alternatively we could invest in computer alghorithms, but we aren't exactly google or valve and it's almost weekly when I hear youtube fucking everyone over with some alghorithm changes.

Mairo said:
Also once again reminder, if you see anyone doing a great job, report the user and put in reason what they are doing great.

I'm not sure if I posted before, or maybe just read someone else posting it, it might have been you now that I think about it, but I feel that bit of information really should be on a stickied forum thread.

Especially when reporting is almost always seen as a bad thing, and after clicking "report" the text says, "reason for complaint."

Maybe have the link changed to "report (for good or bad reasons)", or.. something.
It's not clear in the slightest that it's possible, or encouraged, to report users for good behaviour at the moment.

Quick edit:

I thought I remembered you creating a thread for basically what I just posted, but all I could find was this one, which is still kind-of related:
forum #233072

And this thread where a change was suggested, near the bottom, which you linked that last link in:
forum #268413

Mairo said:
Also once again reminder, if you see anyone doing a great job, report the user and put in reason what they are doing great.

It might be nice if we had some sort of guidelines as to what is worth a positive report. For example: If I see someone with over 10,000 tag edits and no positive record i'll report them, but besides that I have no idea what to report.