Hello everyone,

As you all know, I have removed all of my art from HicceArs and e621, and I have something pretty nice planned for the future, that I can finally reveal a small detail about... It's a Pokemon comic featuring Charmander and Bulbasaur!

Yeah, that's right. I'm working pretty hard to put together a comic for my fans who would like to enjoy such a thing.

The thing is, Patreon, and many, many other Websites that offer subscription payments for potential and current customers (artists) have been criticized for the kind of adult works they make. For example, some adult video games have been removed, and cub art, etc... isn't allowed.

What I want to do is make a Wordpress blog that has this similar paywall implementation. I know there's WP plugins and the sort that can be done for individual elements on a Web page, but maybe doing it for the entire blog would be preferable.

I want some other opinions on what I should do. How should I go abotu advertising the Site, once it's done. And are there any alternatives to Patreon that allows cub, and loli/shota art, please?

If not, I'll stick to my WordPress Site, and spend a few months figuring that crap out... But otherwise, what would you do in my situation?

Also, yes, I plan to include that overly kinky stuff with a Pokemon Trainer or whatever in that comic at some point, but it won't be the main focus. }3

Careful tryna make dollars off of pokemon, nintendo might flex on you. As far as alternatives, I think pixiv has some sort of subscribe function and I know they don't stop young content. Though it would need to be censored and I don't know if their system works outside of japan (I don't know anything aobut their system just that it exists)

As far as advertisement all I can think is buying ad space on e6, FA, inkbunny. Inkbunny especially would be interested in cub stuff.

Also, you might want to change the forum title, it sounds like you're trying to advertise and it will probably attract admin attention currently.

Well that title certainly doesn't match the post! XD

I'd recommend FurAffinity.

How to get DMCA'd, then sued by Nintendo - The Thread

You're trying to profit off of a trademarked and copyrighted IP, you're also connecting your real life data to it by implementing a transactions merchant of sorts. If you always wanted to find out how it feels to pay damages to a company with well educated and very well versed lawyers then this is definitely the way to go.

NotMeNotYou said:
How to get DMCA'd, then sued by Nintendo - The Thread

You're trying to profit off of a trademarked and copyrighted IP, you're also connecting your real life data to it by implementing a transactions merchant of sorts. If you always wanted to find out how it feels to pay damages to a company with well educated and very well versed lawyers then this is definitely the way to go.

To be fair, SOME people have sold Pokemon porn comics and gotten away with it. Why is that?

RubisDrake said:
To be fair, SOME people have sold Pokemon porn comics and gotten away with it. Why is that?

Bruv I've been seeing artist that were making pokemon comics (and making money from them) just completely change their whole platform. People were getting away with it But right now they up on everyone

RubisDrake said:
To be fair, SOME people have sold Pokemon porn comics and gotten away with it. Why is that?

This is like asking why some people got away with armed robbery or murder. Sometimes it happens and can't be prevented, that doesn't mean it's legal.

I always wondered about the stability of monetising artwork of heavily-trademarked content. I can understand getting away with taking donations and releasing the art for technically-free, maybe even commissions. But there are a number of artists who make their dough from charging a direct fee for access to such content. That always seemed the most dangerous, to me.

I've always kind of wondered where the legal line is drawn. Are people safe even taking commissions of Pokemon? What about fursuit makers? Getting paid to make a suit sounds like a whole lot more risk than making one for personal use.

"Hey guys! So, I completely nuked everything I did from here so I can start asking money for it from everyone of you, can you help?"
Yeah, not the brightest idea.

RubisDrake said:
To be fair, SOME people have sold Pokemon porn comics and gotten away with it. Why is that?

I'm pretty sure that companies do have bit more at their hands than to watch every single website 24/7. Also they focus more on stuff that can hurt them, e.g. fan games which takes time from people who could be using that time for playing your games on sale, rather than fan created artwork which is usually suicide to go after anyway as you aren't filling that market yourself and just get yourself angry customerbase.

So if someone takes $50 in private for commission for someones pokesona avatar creation, that's really hard to track and the end results are usually freely viewable and mostly simply promote the IP to new audience.

Meanwhile if you are doing $3000/month on patreon, that's easily quantifyable amount of money and you kinda have to say that where the money is going towards, so at that point it's easier for companies to go like "hey, stop using our IP for monetary profit without permission".

So if you want to go the route of doing pure paywalled stuff of big company IPs specifically, you basically have to take the route of palcomix:
- Create your own website, then attach fuckload of ways to pay (porn network, commissions, patreon but remember to make everything look safe and hide the income, bitcoin donations, etc.).
- SEO the shit out of everything, so that people will find you with stupid google searches. Because if you are going to put everything under paywall, you cannot rely on people finding your store on services like e621 or furaffinity.
- Only and only do rule34 and do it a lot, fuckloads. Sticking to pokemon alone cuts away potential customers, SEO and increases risk of single company taking you down.

Okay, so I do have original characters and art. Some people know about my bear cubs series, bunnies art series, and of course my cubs Ryio, Finney, and Rubis himself.

Some potential could be done there legally, even if I have to release my R34 stuff as "free demos" on my Site.

I just really want to know what people wanna see, and not see, too.

It might be best to actually ask some of your fans directly, I have no idea who you are and not many check the forums here

Your current avatar says 'deleted', to which when investigated why, it turns out it's your own artwork, that you deleted. If that's not a microcosm of exactly what's wrong with this picture, I don't know what is.
Believe me, I don't like how trying to interact with anything here is like trying to walk on eggshells, but the fact of the matter is this place is pretty much what is to furry art what Steam is to PC gaming, for a overwhelming number of people looking for art, if you don't have stuff here then you might as well not exist, as long as you're OK looking elsewhere for paywalled content.
As for your paid comic plans involving other people's IP, I can only parrot what others in the thread have said and say that's a terrible and fairly unquestionably illegal idea. Go make a genuine fan comic with no strings attached and have wholly original paid content on the side absolutely, but don't assume that just because others get away with paywalling artwork for IP that doesn't belong to them that they should be doing it.

Thank you so much everyone for helping me to figure this stuff out. I'm really not good at this stuff as well. Every artist wants to get paid in the real world, no doubt about that....

I really think now I should go with a conditional DNP approach soon, and let people see my R34 and other free art on here (as long as it follows the Site rules), but the rest of my paid content can be all the extra stuff that I'm working on the future.

I still realize this decision was kind of too little too late, and people likely have my current art gallery archived or downloaded, but new stuff that I wanna do can benefit me, hopefully.

Thanks everyone.

RubisDrake said:
Thank you so much everyone for helping me to figure this stuff out. I'm really not good at this stuff as well. Every artist wants to get paid in the real world, no doubt about that....

I really think now I should go with a conditional DNP approach soon, and let people see my R34 and other free art on here (as long as it follows the Site rules), but the rest of my paid content can be all the extra stuff that I'm working on the future.

I still realize this decision was kind of too little too late, and people likely have my current art gallery archived or downloaded, but new stuff that I wanna do can benefit me, hopefully.

Thanks everyone.

I mean, paysite stuff is already DNP so that CDNP status is a little outdated at this point. It became a thing when once upon a time e6 would let content over a set period of time be aloud, though that was from the era of people purchasing disks and such and changed after paysite content hit the digital era with sites like patreon and what not.

I'm not trying to stop you from putting in the request, it just seems un-necessary

Pyke said:
It might be best to actually ask some of your fans directly, I have no idea who you are and not many check the forums here

+1 Its definently going to be hard for those of us who have never seen your art to want commission you for art if you have nothing on here.

Versperus said:
Careful tryna make dollars off of pokemon, nintendo might flex on you. As far as alternatives, I think pixiv has some sort of subscribe function and I know they don't stop young content. Though it would need to be censored and I don't know if their system works outside of japan (I don't know anything aobut their system just that it exists)

As far as advertisement all I can think is buying ad space on e6, FA, inkbunny. Inkbunny especially would be interested in cub stuff.

Also, you might want to change the forum title, it sounds like you're trying to advertise and it will probably attract admin attention currently.

NotMeNotYou said:
How to get DMCA'd, then sued by Nintendo - The Thread

You're trying to profit off of a trademarked and copyrighted IP, you're also connecting your real life data to it by implementing a transactions merchant of sorts. If you always wanted to find out how it feels to pay damages to a company with well educated and very well versed lawyers then this is definitely the way to go.

RubisDrake said:
To be fair, SOME people have sold Pokemon porn comics and gotten away with it. Why is that?

i can see sqoon and sssonic2 doing it with deltarune, bust-a-move, and persona 5 and the image packs they're making, i but i feel like a callout on that sort of thing would trigger shit
also with zonk and seeing that there was a patreon release of the braizen and chariz anim

unkown1832_11a0 said:
i can see sqoon and sssonic2 doing it with deltarune, bust-a-move, and persona 5 and the image packs they're making, i but i feel like a callout on that sort of thing would trigger shit
also with zonk and seeing that there was a patreon release of the braizen and chariz anim

Toby Fox may just be an odd case of not really caring. He told people to tag their Undertale porn as Undertail, and following suit Deltarune porn should be tagged as Deltaruin.

Do Sqoon and Sssonic2 actually have those other things as frequent things or just one-off packs?

Furrin_Gok said:
Toby Fox may just be an odd case of not really caring. He told people to tag their Undertale porn as Undertail, and following suit Deltarune porn should be tagged as Deltaruin.

Where/When did he say this?

Furrin_Gok said:
Toby Fox may just be an odd case of not really caring. He told people to tag their Undertale porn as Undertail, and following suit Deltarune porn should be tagged as Deltaruin.

Do Sqoon and Sssonic2 actually have those other things as frequent things or just one-off packs?

it seemed as a one-off at first with their characters that i feel they could actually make money off of legally (beri and null) which im pretty sure sprouted from drawing their characters doing shit together, and then they just did 3 other packs
now it does look like a frequent thing and something theyll do for a while because umm..., uhhh.... well.., they have this and now sqoon's own website is offline (puwana.com) edit: hes moving domains