Implicating mottled_fur → mottled
Link to implication

Reason:

A list of mottled_* tags needing an implication to mottled.

Tag Implication:

• mottled_body -> mottled
• mottled_ears -> mottled
• mottled_fur -> mottled
• mottled_fur -> fur
• mottled_nipples -> mottled
• mottled_nipples -> nipples
• mottled_nose -> mottled
• mottled_pawpads -> mottled
• mottled_pawpads -> pawpads
• mottled_penis -> mottled
• mottled_pussy -> mottled
• mottled_pussy -> pussy
• mottled_scales -> mottled
• mottled_scales -> scales
• mottled_skin -> mottled

if this tag is the one that gets used, than splotches_(marking) should be aliased into it as well

What is the difference between mottled and piebald? I feel we need to either establish a clear difference between the two or alias them to one tag.

ImpidiDinkaDoo said:
What is the difference between mottled and piebald? I feel we need to either establish a clear difference between the two or alias them to one tag.

It looks like the same thing to me, I think people finding words to what to call things is really what the difference is.

Yeah, both tags seem to be synonymous with each other, though mottled has 112 posts and splotches_(marking) has 59 posts so it would make sense to alias splotches_(marking) to it.

D.D.M. said:
Yeah, both tags seem to be synonymous with each other, though mottled has 112 posts and splotches_(marking) has 59 posts so it would make sense to alias splotches_(marking) to it.

Yes, which is why I said it should be aliased into it.

Versperus said:
It looks like the same thing to me, I think people finding words to what to call things is really what the difference is.

Apparently they're synonyms:

Mottled is a synonym of piebald.
As adjectives the difference between mottled and piebald is that mottled is colored in patches; spotted while piebald is spotted or blotched, especially in black and white.

I vote for mottled_ tags to be aliased to piebald_ tags.

ImpidiDinkaDoo said:
Apparently they're synonyms:

I vote for mottled_ tags to be aliased to piebald_ tags.

reading that, also suggest adding blotches

I personally like the way 'mottled' sounds compared to 'piebald', but from a technical standpoint 'piebald' would seem to be the preferential tag to keep since it isn't restricted to just 'part of a character'.

And done

Sorry to double-dip, but when editing some leftover 'mottled' tags I reassigned them to piebald_anus and discovered this didn't have the piebald or anus implications (since it was just created). I figured aliasing 'mottled_anus' to it may also be a good idea since all the other 'mottled' tags are now aliased away.

D.D.M. said:
Sorry to double-dip, but when editing some leftover 'mottled' tags I reassigned them to piebald_anus and discovered this didn't have the piebald or anus implications (since it was just created). I figured aliasing 'mottled_anus' to it may also be a good idea since all the other 'mottled' tags are now aliased away.

Done. No worries about "double dipping"! If you feel we've missed out on something, or have some recommendations, feel free to voice your thoughts.

Sure thing, I'm just wanting to avoid accidentally spamming stuff of low importance.

The only other things I can think of off the top of my head are piebald_balls, piebald_hair, piebald_sheath, piebald_tail, and piebald_exoskeleton (although none are currently tagged yet). I noticed piebald_feathers already had the aliases/implications of the other piebald tags despite not yet being tagged, but felt these other tags may have been frivolous to mention here since they weren't in use yet.

Another thing I wondered is if the piebald_* tags should imply the spotted_* tags, since piebald is a specific variation of spots. I'm pretty sure I've seen folks bring this up before in the forums somewhere, but I'm not sure where.

ImpidiDinkaDoo said:
What is the difference between mottled and piebald?

Mottled is any irregular markings. Toad skin, for example.
Piebald is a darker pattern on white, usually seen only on cows and horses.

Completely different, the alias makes no sense. Mottled should've been the base tag, with piebald implicated to it.

Genjar said:
Mottled is any irregular markings. Toad skin, for example.
Piebald is a darker pattern on white, usually seen only on cows and horses.

Completely different, the alias makes no sense. Mottled should've been the base tag, possibly with piebald implicated to it.

Piebald is not exclusively darker on white, actually. Commonly on black and white patterns, yeah, but not exclusive to it. The terms are synonymous, though mottled is generally used as the term when it's seen on specific body parts. However, otherwise, from what is described and the information I've found the terms describe the same phenomena of spotty patterns which can be EITHER pigmented or lacking in pigmentation.

ImpidiDinkaDoo said:
The terms are synonymous, though mottled is generally used as the term when it's seen on specific body parts,

I disagree. They're far from synonymous, which is clear if you check various image searches:
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&as_q=piebald
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&as_q=mottled

Genjar said:
I disagree. They're far from synonymous, which is clear if you check various image searches:
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&as_q=piebald
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&as_q=mottled

Phrased slightly differently, but otherwise seem quite same to me.

Examples: a piebald horse and a mottled. Had I not been told, I would've thought them the same general type, minus coloration

Also a bonus cause they're cute: a mottled hen

ImpidiDinkaDoo said:
Examples: a piebald horse and a mottled. Had I not been told, I would've thought them the same general type, minus coloration

Also a bonus cause they're cute: a mottled hen

Yes, as I said, piebald is a type of mottled pattern. But mottled is not piebald, so aliasing them that way around makes no sense.

Genjar said:
Yes, as I said, piebald is a type of mottled pattern. But mottled is not piebald, so aliasing them that way around makes no sense.

I don't see any value in keeping them seperate, personally. Having piebald imply base mottled tags seems redundant when they are near similar (and often used synonymously; the only thing that might trip up others is that mottling on humans specifically looks slightly different, but otherwise I can't tell general mottling and piebaldism apart)

I could go for a reverse alias in making piebald to mottling, if that's agreed upon, but I don't see the value in having both. Mottling in general can be so varied that IMO I think this is the best solution for it.

Of course, people can disagree, and if that's the general consensus on the issue I'll gladly fix it, but for the moment I don't see why it should be separate.

Piebald seems visually distinct enough to be worth tagging, so I still vote for implication instead of alias.

We already have related cow print, cow bikini etc, which seem well-established. So it feels off to not have a tag for the same fur-pattern.

Genjar said:
Piebald seems visually distinct enough to be worth tagging, so I still vote for implication instead of alias.

We already have related cow print, cow bikini etc, which seem well-established. So it feels off to not have a tag for the same fur-pattern.

Personally I feel the distinct tags for those in that case is because the specific piebald patterning on clothing specifically is so associated and often labeled with cows. Specifically, it features the stereotypical, media, spotty cow piebaldism rather than general piebaldism in cattle or otherwise.

I wouldn't be against making the animal coat pattern tags into generic ones like piebald_pattern or something, but stereotypical cow print specifically falls more under an iconic super spotted print than true piebaldism, which can have spots that "bleed over", make colored streaks on the body, etc etc. These features are often lacking in traditional manmade "cow print".

After discussing it with others, including other admins, I decided I'm going to fix this all up by having piebald imply base mottled_ tags and as such making it a subset of mottled. I will also be removing mottled to piebald aliases.

After that, of course, I'll fix up the posts that are mottled but not necessarily piebald. Not too many posts to fix (around 1k) so it'll be a simple fix project.

Thanks for the feedback! And apologies, sometimes I'm a bit hasty with my tag project stuff hahaha.