Just curious about what you think about ID2020 and mandatory chip implants.

Orwellian shit, mandatory ID implants for everyone in the world? Fuck no. This timeline is too fucking close to dystopian books like 1984 or Brave New World, and I don't want those books to become the new reality.

Mandatory body modifications violate human rights.
Non-mandatory implants are still extremely suspicious.

I see that your trolling attempts continue. Only now you are trying to spread debunked conspiracy theories?

The ID2020 proposal is neither mandatory, nor a chip, and only technically an implant.
It's essentially a micro-tattoo with a QR code that, when scanned, opens a web page with medical history.

This theory has about as much validity as the idea that vaccines cause autism, or that the chemicals in the water are turning frogs gay.

bitwolfy said:
I see that your trolling attempts continue. Only now you are trying to spread debunked conspiracy theories?

The ID2020 proposal is neither mandatory, nor a chip, and only technically an implant.
It's essentially a micro-tattoo with a QR code that, when scanned, opens a web page with medical history.

This theory has about as much validity as the idea that vaccines cause autism, or that the chemicals in the water are turning frogs gay.

Still, I find any kind of person identification that's embedded into their bodies very off-putting, whether mandatory or not. And I'm always skeptical about such things. Every government in the world would love to have better and easier ways of controlling the citizens, no exceptions, and if someone finds a way to add permanent ID to a person, it might be slowly but steadily pushed to be as widespread as possible. Because our freedoms are always being taken away slowly in a way that we won't notice until it's too late.

randomguy85 said:
Still, I find any kind of person identification that's embedded into their bodies very off-putting, whether mandatory or not. And I'm always skeptical about such things. Every government in the world would love to have better and easier ways of controlling the citizens, no exceptions, and if someone finds a way to add permanent ID to a person, it might be slowly but steadily pushed to be as widespread as possible. Because our freedoms are always being taken away slowly in a way that we won't notice until it's too late.

A tattoo or an embedded tracking chip would do absolutely nothing to you that doesn't already happen from carrying a phone on your person 24/7.

randomguy85 said: I find any kind of person identification that's embedded into their bodies very off-putting, whether mandatory or not.

Yeah, I don't know why the tattoo bit is necessary. They have been testing the ID with the QR code that was just printed on a card, and it worked just fine.

randomguy85 said: if someone finds a way to add permanent ID to a person, it might be slowly but steadily pushed to be as widespread as possible

Government already has all the basic information on you - driver's license, social security, tax returns, etc.
I'm not sure if an ID permanently etched into your skin would be much worse.

randomguy85 said:
Still, I find any kind of person identification that's embedded into their bodies very off-putting, whether mandatory or not. And I'm always skeptical about such things. Every government in the world would love to have better and easier ways of controlling the citizens, no exceptions, and if someone finds a way to add permanent ID to a person, it might be slowly but steadily pushed to be as widespread as possible. Because our freedoms are always being taken away slowly in a way that we won't notice until it's too late.

A DNA database can be used to identify anyone, also fingerprints, face (not very reliable), toeprints, etcetera.

lafcadio said:
A tattoo or an embedded tracking chip would do absolutely nothing to you that doesn't already happen from carrying a phone on your person 24/7.

You can leave your phone at home or turn it off.

At some point cloud computing implants will not be required by the law, but by society. At some point, if you do not get a cloud computing implant, society will see you as a technophobe. After all, most people consider the implant to be cool, necesary for business or both. You can record and share things without even having to touch a button, you can automatically pay for things, you can search for any kind of information without having to pull a device out of your pocket and you can communicate with anyone without having to talk or write something. The implant and installation is gratis, you just have to pay for the service. The implant is built to last because there is no need for bad quality construction or materials in order to make profit. Most upgrades are in the company servers. With that convenience, everyone wants it, right? Not everyone wants it. All applications and user data are in servers that can be easly accessed by governments and big companies. Most part of the applications is running on the company servers, you can not decompile the applications to check if there is malware or backdoors nor run anything offline. Governments and companies can check at any moment what you are doing, when you are doing it and with who you are doing it. You should not worry about privacy or anonymity if you have done nothing bad, right? Yes, you should still worry. In some countries you may be sentenced to death for doing some explicit stuff at home that seems not to harm anyone, or be sent to a reeducation camp just for thinking crap about a government official.

bitwolfy said:
Yeah, I don't know why the tattoo bit is necessary.

It's necessary if you want to troll the Protestant Christians.

bitwolfy said:
Yeah, I don't know why the tattoo bit is necessary.

Nowadays mobile phone cameras have such a high resolution that can be used to check someones fingerprints, toeprints and iris without having to touch anything. There is no need for a tattoo unless you lack fingers, toes and eyes.

Mandatory chip implants will never be a thing due to it being unethical. It will be optional but that's as far as it will get.

felix_nermix said:
At some point cloud computing implants will not be required by the law, but by society.

You've slid a bit too far down the slippery slope...

felix_nermix said:
[snip]also fingerprints, face (not very reliable)[snip]

You take the time to point out that face recognition is unreliable, yet didn't bother to for fingerprints? 'cause, seriously, fingerprints are considered far less reliable, these days, than people tend to realize. They're barely considered admissible in court, any more.

jacob said:
You take the time to point out that face recognition is unreliable, yet didn't bother to for fingerprints? 'cause, seriously, fingerprints are considered far less reliable, these days, than people tend to realize. They're barely considered admissible in court, any more.

Fingerprints are still unique to a person, it's just that the oily mark can be left due to all sorts of things. The print on a person's finger is still proof of who they are.

felix_nermix said:
You can leave your phone at home or turn it off.

And you could cover a tattoo or just use a knife to dig an implant straight out of your body. The point is that, all the people who willingly take their phones everywhere with them makes it largely unnecessary to do anything like implant people with RFID devices. Why mandate implants for 100% of people when roughly 80% of them already provide a way to track them? It's like Occam's Razor, but with cost-effectiveness.

Yet again, conspiracy theorists completely miss the mark.

lafcadio said:
And you could cover a tattoo or just use a knife to dig an implant straight out of your body.

The Christian angle on the conspiracy is that without possessing the Mark of The Beast you're not allowed to participate in societal functions
I actually wasn't aware of any other conspiracies around ID2020