The tag alias #46421 cleft_of_venus -> innie_pussy has been approved.

Reason: As far as I can tell, they mean the same thing, but feel free to explain the difference if I'm just dumb (and maybe put a clarification in the wiki pages).

EDIT: The tag alias cleft_of_venus -> innie_pussy (forum #291520) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

+1, I remember finding peach_pussy to be the same as cleft_of_venus as well, but forgot to submit an alias request. *shrug*

"cleft of venus" is... not the most intuitive name. I'd be in favor of flipping the alias (at least "peach pussy" mentions the specific body part)

The term Innie Pussy also applies but again this comes back to the problem of having no inner labia tags available. Which has been brought up many times.

strikerman said:
"cleft of venus" is... not the most intuitive name. I'd be in favor of flipping the alias (at least "peach pussy" mentions the specific body part)

I would like to keep cleft_of_venus, but that's simply out of personal preference. If cleft_of_venus were to be aliased to a *_pussy tag, I think that innie_pussy (currently aliased to peach_pussy) would be a better fit since both the prefix and the suffix of the tag are descriptive of how the tag is used.

d.d.m. said:
I would like to keep cleft_of_venus, but that's simply out of personal preference. If cleft_of_venus were to be aliased to a *_pussy tag, I think that innie_pussy (currently aliased to peach_pussy) would be a better fit since both the prefix and the suffix of the tag are descriptive of how the tag is used.

+1 to innie_pussy

peach_pussy sounds like a color tag to me, and cleft_of_venus is too obscure (not to mention that it doesn't have pussy in name). So +1 for innie_pussy, I suppose..

If were gonna get an innie tag can we *please* for the love of god finally get an Outie tag too so I can search for corned beef intentionally.

I did a full rewrite and expansion of peach_pussy for this thread. The previous definition really missed the mark.

As for cleft_of_venus... Cleft of venus is a pseudo-technical term used by other boorus too but not on RL porn sites. The preferred term is pudendal cleft.

Technically, the cleft of venus is just the part of the mons pubis where the labia majora are divided. That's it. Everything beyond that seems like additive interpretation. Other boorus use a boilerplate academic definition, stating that the cleft is a vaginal "furrow", and they don't offer clearer tagging guidance. Our original wiki definition for cleft_of_venus was most likely drawn from its single urban dictionary definition. It's worth noting that, unconsciously, we know to tag humanoid and most similar pussies with pussy if we see the cleft of venus, yet we almost always ignore the labia majora even though it's absolutely a part of female genitalia.

In any event, I recommend removing the innie_pussy alias from peach_pussy.

I did not get it from Urban Dictionary
I'm the one who wrote the original Wiki for that and this is where I got my source
https://old.reddit.com/r/Innies/wiki/index

Personally, I like cleft of venus more. It's more classy and sophisticated. :P

jacob said:
Personally, I like cleft of venus more. It's more classy and sophisticated. :P

It's certainly the more traditional term and more likely to be searched for by people of a certain age or education level.

ccoyote said:
It's certainly the more traditional term and more likely to be searched for by people of a certain age or education level.

CC, in your case a 'certain age or education level' would = searching for cobwebby_pussy

_{but yeah, I have tagged cleft_of_venus, too}

I feel that peach_pussy as a tag has the most robust description. I could tag any partially obscured humanoid pussy as cleft_of_venus using the current definition on the wiki. It would only minimally require part of one labia fold to be visible to complete the definition, while peach_pussy requires by definition that the pussy be unobstructed, and not penetrated with a particular shape.

Cleft of venus that is obstructed

post #2111907

The cleft_of_venus tag needs to be clarified. As it is written, obstructed, penetrated, gaped, fluid covered, and piercing covered pussies may qualify under the tag as long as doesn't have any fur fluffs (have to infer what the word clean means), or inner parts visible. peach_pussy doesn't allow this.

Also innie pussy doesn't seem like it is describing a shape, but rather the lack of a visible labia minora.

I think the cleft_of_venus tag has been well maintained, but probably by people who didn't need to rely on the wiki to know how to use it. I would rather these clarifications be worked out before I get behind this alias.

The cleft_of_venus is both non-descriptive and pretentious. Most of the tags are named in the most straight-forward way possible to avoid confusion, not using stupid metaphors like this.

+1 for innie_pussy.

abadbird said:
Technically, the cleft of venus is just the part of the mons pubis where the labia majora are divided. That's it. Everything beyond that seems like additive interpretation.

The point I was trying to get across is that nearly every external view of a pussy on e621 has an evident cleft_of_venus. The cleft_of_venus wiki is written as though it were describing an "innie pussy", but that's not what the cleft of venus is. There is no good reason to use that wiki definition nor firm logic to support it. The cleft of venus can be spread, penetrated, whatever.

Ideally:

• remove alias innie_pussy => peach_pussy
• implicate peach_pussy => innie_pussy
• transfer all cleft_of_venus => innie_pussy
• alias cleft_of_venus => pussy

I should say my insistence on the "3-shaped pussy contour" in the peach_pussy wiki is because I completely reject the notion of something likened to a peach as being "flat" (or round with no depth at the cleft), which I saw a lot of when looking for good example posts. The term innie_pussy, however, encompasses both "peach" and flatter pussies, so I have suggested implicating peach_pussy to innie_pussy.

sharp_coyote said:
CC, in your case a 'certain age or education level' would = searching for cobwebby_pussy

_{but yeah, I have tagged cleft_of_venus, too}

Punk. ;)

• While I strongly prefer utilizing cleft_of_venus above the other options, I understand why other folks would prefer innie_pussy above all the other options and would be alright if this ended up being the tag utilized.
• I think only one tag needs to be kept among the tags cleft_of_venus, innie_pussy, and peach_pussy. Each of these options seem far too similar to each other to be worth keeping separate. Thus, I think the options should be aliased to whichever tag ends up being utilized.
• Whichever tag ends up being kept should have it's wiki edited to better refine and more clearly describe how it should be used. The wikis for cleft_of_venus and innie_pussy would need to be expanded upon, while the wiki for peach_pussy would need more detailed edits and refinement.

As discussed on the discord, I believe we should have something like this

cleft_of_venus = innie_pussy - vagina with nothing sticking out
peach_pussy = innie_pussy + plump_labia

The alias should go cleft_of_venus => innie_pussy, it's an obscure word I discovered like a couple of hours ago.
peach pussy however could imply innie_pussy and plump_labia

Which could lead to what D.D.M says, keeping only one tag, and just tag innie_pussy and plump_labia when describing what is currently known as a peach pussy.
I feel like this could be easier and lead to less tag ambiguity.

• Yeah, while I personally lean more in favor of utilizing cleft_of_venus, I feel that only one of these three tags (cleft_of_venus, innie_pussy, peach_pussy) need to be kept. Keeping all three seems rather redundant to me.
• While the wiki for peach_pussy is overall more descriptive (likely from the greater amount of work and attention users have contributed to developing this wiki), I feel that the cleft_of_venus and innie_pussy tags have the same general meaning (although less descriptive) as peach_pussy.
• Based solely on the wiki's description for peach_pussy, it seems like the plump_labia tag applies to most posts with peach_pussy, but not all posts tagged with peach_pussy. Therefore I don't think the implication peach_pussy -> plump_labia would work, and that peach_pussy posts should have plump_labia added manually instead. Though I do think whichever tag (or tags) ends up being utilized should have an implication to pussy.

d.d.m. said:

• Based solely on the wiki's description for peach_pussy, it seems like the plump_labia tag applies to most posts with peach_pussy, but not all posts tagged with peach_pussy. Therefore I don't think the implication peach_pussy -> plump_labia would work, and that peach_pussy posts should have plump_labia added manually instead. Though I do think whichever tag (or tags) ends up being utilized should have an implication to pussy.

It doesn't have to be a swollen pussy( plump_labia ) to have the peach_pussy tag.
what I find frustrating is that people keep confusing plump_labia for peach_pussy and
tag them together without giving much thought whether they actually are.
I FEEL that 26 out of 700 times people mistakenly tag plump_labia when it's not necessary.

In the wiki( peach_pussy ) someone added these "restriction" stipulations and
people can ignore it because
the first point says *ideally* but it's a prerequisite or else ( peach_pussy )it's
not distinct from plump_labia making the label/tag pointless.

Somewhat related but, do we have a male equivalent of peach pussy/cleft of venus?

alexyorim said:
Somewhat related but, do we have a male equivalent of peach pussy/cleft of venus?

At a guess, considering the equivalent tissues involved, probably any tags that imply a roundish, firm scrotum.

I lean to "cleft of Venus" because it's classy and erotic at the same time. I mean, lady parts will often be associated with Venus.

peach_pussy giving me thoughts of peahes having lady parts and/or Princess Peach having this kind of lady part.
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clawstripe said:
At a guess, considering the equivalent tissues involved, probably any tags that imply a roundish, firm scrotum.

Mmmmm, much like avocados. I'm now thinking of this kind of scrotum as avocado_balls.

The tag alias peach_pussy -> innie_pussy has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

The tag alias cleft_of_venus -> innie_pussy (forum #291520) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

You know what this is fine.
I really hated cleft_of_venus tag because it sounded like such a big old medical term that just seemed unappealing.

I was really hoping my coined term peach_pussy would win but this isn't too bad it's probably for the best.

The tag alias peach_pussy -> innie_pussy has been rejected by @Knotty_Curls.

innie_pussy <-- Wrong one to use? What is the right tag for when all but the clitoral hood and outer lips are hidden?
Irony: Didn't cleft_of_venus start as a disambiguation of cleft? Sigh...