I'm not exactly expecting to see cboys when I'm looking for herms and dickgirls :T
Topic: Been getting cuntboys in my futa search
Posted under General
kemonophonic said:
futa is aliased to intersex which covers gynomorphs, andromorphs, herms and maleherms. Try searching gynomorph -andromorph or herm -andromorph.
Or intersex -andromorph
kemonophonic said:
futa is aliased to intersex which covers gynomorphs, andromorphs, herms and maleherms. Try searching gynomorph -andromorph or herm -andromorph.
Futa probably should've been aliased to herm instead of intersex, going by the description on the futanari wiki page; that's probably the source of the confusion.
nromrore said:
Futa probably should've been aliased to herm instead of intersex, going by the description on the futanari wiki page; that's probably the source of the confusion.
It's more that it's apparently used to refer to both dickgirls and herms so they just aliased to intersex to avoid mistagging
versperus said:
It's more that it's apparently used to refer to both dickgirls and herms so they just aliased to intersex to avoid mistagging
I mean, I can vouch for how inaccurate the tag can be. If we had a term to refer to intersex with a feminine body and only that, such as (but I'm not suggesting) feminine_intersex, then we could alias futa to that since that's what it's commonly used for. Though those tags would largely be bloat, IMO, since we can use multiple tags to achieve a similar or the same results...
Futa to Intersex is our best option thus far, since the common usage is divided between herms (on-site, female bodies with a vagina and a penis and/or balls), and dickgirls (on-site, female bodies with a penis and/or balls). @Lunacy2 If you're using a search to specify dickgirls and herms, ~gynomorph ~herm would accomplish that. If you're trying to avoid cuntboys and maleherms, -andromorph -maleherm will do the trick.
siral_exan said:
I mean, I can vouch for how inaccurate the tag can be. If we had a term to refer to intersex with a feminine body and only that, such as (but I'm not suggesting) feminine_intersex, then we could alias futa to that since that's what it's commonly used for. Though those tags would largely be bloat, IMO, since we can use multiple tags to achieve a similar or the same results...Futa to Intersex is our best option thus far, since the common usage is divided between herms (on-site, female bodies with a vagina and a penis and/or balls), and dickgirls (on-site, female bodies with a penis and/or balls). @Lunacy2 If you're using a search to specify dickgirls and herms, ~gynomorph ~herm would accomplish that. If you're trying to avoid cuntboys and maleherms, -andromorph -maleherm will do the trick.
Using negative tags is not doing much since it relies on the person who posted the pic adding them, and "maleherm" or "andromorph" are also pretty obscure terms. I'm not sure why they had to delete a rather functional and widespread tag :/
pinkmask said:
Using negative tags is not doing much since it relies on the person who posted the pic adding them, and "maleherm" or "andromorph" are also pretty obscure terms. I'm not sure why they had to delete a rather functional and widespread tag :/
they didn't deleted it, it was aliased to gynomorph
pinkmask said:
Using negative tags is not doing much since it relies on the person who posted the pic adding them, and "maleherm" or "andromorph" are also pretty obscure terms. I'm not sure why they had to delete a rather functional and widespread tag :/
Because the perpetually offended got bored and decided to make our porn PC. That is the only reason we can't have simple terms/tags, and now have to use far-fetched asinine terminology to find the stuff we wanna jack to.
marflebark said:
Because the perpetually offended got bored and decided to make our porn PC. That is the only reason we can't have simple terms/tags, and now have to use far-fetched asinine terminology to find the stuff we wanna jack to.
you can still use the terms to search for things, "futa" just happens to be an exception as explained here. got nothing to do with being "PC" or being "offended" (where did you get that from?)
lunacy2 said:
I'm not exactly expecting to see cboys when I'm looking for herms and dickgirls :T
YES EXACTLY can we please bring back the futa tag?? i see absolutely no problem with it
haruwanwan said:
YES EXACTLY can we please bring back the futa tag?? i see absolutely no problem with it
I am sure you can figure out how to solve your problem with the gender tagging guide, and the Search help. ~ and - will be important for your search.
Hey, I'd like to necrotize this thread.
Can we please have the futa tag added. It should refer to female bodied characters with both male and female genitals.
Girls with dicks should not be showing up in futa searches.
Dudes with pussies should not be showing up in futa searches.
Futa specifically is female body with both male and female parts.
Male body female genitals: Transsexual
Female body male genitals: Also Transsexual
Futa: Its own separate thing which is neither of the above and shouldn't be returning the above in searches. FUTAS ARE NOT TRANSSEXUALS.
Aliasing futa to intersex absolutely does nobody favours. Shit like this is why you have fools who think futa is a slur against trans people. ITS NOT EVEN ASSOCIATED WITH TRANS PEOPLE. IT IS ITS OWN THING.
PLEASE have futa be its own defined tag which is separate from "intersex" FUTAS ARE NOT TRANSSEXUALS.
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sicmundus said:
Hey, I'd like to necrotize this thread.
Can we please have the futa tag added. It should refer to female bodied characters with both male and female genitals.
Girls with dicks should not be showing up in futa searches.
Dudes with pussies should not be showing up in futa searches.
Futa specifically is female body with both male and female parts.
Male body female genitals: Transsexual
Female body male genitals: Also Transsexual
Futa: Its own separate thing which is neither of the above and shouldn't be returning the above in searches. FUTAS ARE NOT TRANSSEXUALS.Aliasing futa to intersex absolutely does nobody favours. Shit like this is why you have fools who think futa is a slur against trans people. ITS NOT EVEN ASSOCIATED WITH TRANS PEOPLE. IT IS ITS OWN THING.
PLEASE have futa be its own defined tag which is separate from "intersex" FUTAS ARE NOT TRANSSEXUALS.
The thing is, a lot of people did use futa as a slur for trans people. You can argue it's an incorrect usage, but it certainly was used that way. Due to that, e621 moved to more neutral terminology like gynomorph and andromorph. Those don't have negative connotations like other terms might. I'd also recommend using "transgender" over "transsexual" unless someone has specifically requested the latter.
That being said, the desire to be able to search up furs with both penises and vaginas is legitimate. Other imageboards have tags like "full-package_futanari" for that. Herm is a rough approximation, but a neutral replacement for the aforementioned tag could certainly be made. Perhaps "full-package_gynomorph"?
peacethroughpower said:
The thing is, a lot of people did use futa as a slur for trans people. You can argue it's an incorrect usage, but it certainly was used that way. Due to that, e621 moved to more neutral terminology like gynomorph and andromorph. Those don't have negative connotations like other terms might. I'd also recommend using "transgender" over "transsexual" unless someone has specifically requested the latter.That being said, the desire to be able to search up furs with both penises and vaginas is legitimate. Other imageboards have tags like "full-package_futanari" for that. Herm is a rough approximation, but a neutral replacement for the aforementioned tag could certainly be made. Perhaps "full-package_gynomorph"?
The word 'trans' has also been used as a slur. Sigh... Language sucks, sometimes. Yeah, reading the Wiki, herm is definitely the tag to be searched for. And we don't actually have 'transexual' tags except for lore or transformation tags, right?
alphamule said:
The word 'trans' has also been used as a slur. Sigh... Language sucks, sometimes. Yeah, reading the Wiki, herm is definitely the tag to be searched for. And we don't actually have 'transexual' tags except for lore or transformation tags, right?
I haven't heard about "trans" being used as a slur, personally. If you have a source, I'd like to see it. Searching "transsexual" on the wiki doesn't give me any results.
sicmundus said:
Hey, I'd like to necrotize this thread.
Can we please have the futa tag added. It should refer to female bodied characters with both male and female genitals.
Girls with dicks should not be showing up in futa searches.
Dudes with pussies should not be showing up in futa searches.
Futa specifically is female body with both male and female parts.
Male body female genitals: Transsexual
Female body male genitals: Also Transsexual
Futa: Its own separate thing which is neither of the above and shouldn't be returning the above in searches. FUTAS ARE NOT TRANSSEXUALS.Aliasing futa to intersex absolutely does nobody favours. Shit like this is why you have fools who think futa is a slur against trans people. ITS NOT EVEN ASSOCIATED WITH TRANS PEOPLE. IT IS ITS OWN THING.
PLEASE have futa be its own defined tag which is separate from "intersex" FUTAS ARE NOT TRANSSEXUALS.
The alias does not need to change, simply rewrite your searches to make them better.
lafcadio said:
Japanese largely does not distinguish between gynomorphs (fem, penis) and hermaphrodites (fem, pussy, penis) because of their weaker tagging systems, and less interest in distinguishing between them. Images on Pixiv and Niconico Seiga tend to be weakly tagged, and for the former, there's a 10-ish tag limit while tags may also be locked onto the image by the artist, and there's also not exactly any minimum tag requirement to begin with (though it's still better for visibility.) On this site, however, we have a strong user-driven tagging system that makes it possible to generate thorough tag lists with few inputs, and a standardized gender system that makes it easy for interested parties to find whatever specific combination of features that they like.All gynomorphs are ふたなり (but also ふたなり is not standardized, you can get away with using alternative tags on the JP sites), but not all ふたなり are gynomorphs.
- Penis -> male, gynomorph, male + girly
- Breasts or feminine body?
- Pussy -> female, andromorph
- Breasts or feminine body?
- Breasts -> female
- Feminine -> female
- Both -> female
- Neither -> andromorph
- Both -> herm, maleherm
- Neither or rating:s -> male, female, ambiguous_gender
- Masculine or feminine body?
- Masculine -> male
- Feminine -> female
- Neither/both/unsure -> ambiguous_gender, featureless_crotch
簡単でしょ？ね？
peacethroughpower said:
The thing is, a lot of people did use futa as a slur for trans people. You can argue it's an incorrect usage, but it certainly was used that way. Due to that, e621 moved to more neutral terminology like gynomorph and andromorph. Those don't have negative connotations like other terms might. I'd also recommend using "transgender" over "transsexual" unless someone has specifically requested the latter.That being said, the desire to be able to search up furs with both penises and vaginas is legitimate. Other imageboards have tags like "full-package_futanari" for that. Herm is a rough approximation, but a neutral replacement for the aforementioned tag could certainly be made. Perhaps "full-package_gynomorph"?
Transsexual and transgender are different things. It's the difference between gender and sex. Sex is biological, gender is more of an identity thing. When talking about sex, transsexual is the correct term when opposed to transgender, I am talking about genitalia so it is the correct term in this circumstance.
sicmundus said:
Transsexual and transgender are different things. It's the difference between gender and sex. Sex is biological, gender is more of an identity thing. When talking about sex, transsexual is the correct term when opposed to transgender, I am talking about genitalia so it is the correct term in this circumstance.
Irony, they often get reversed in order (swapped). Like, it seems that e621 uses 'gender' to refer to genitals/body type, but some people use the term 'sex' for this. This touches on a 9yo locked forum post, sigh.
alphamule said:
Irony, they often get reversed in order (swapped). Like, it seems that e621 uses 'gender' to refer to genitals/body type, but some people use the term 'sex' for this. This touches on a 9yo locked forum post, sigh.
the problem with using "sex" to refer to physical sexual traits (especially on here) is that it's a bit hard to tell when someone's talking about the noun and the verb. like, if we used the term "sex" rather than "gender" there'd be situations where someone is asking about "sex tags" there's a little bit of annoying ambiguity. and after that there's still the problem of "biological sex" vs. "physical sex".
I feel like using "gender" to refer to physical traits and then qualify "gender identity" when talking about identity is probably easiest for everyone.
sicmundus said:
Transsexual and transgender are different things. It's the difference between gender and sex. Sex is biological, gender is more of an identity thing. When talking about sex, transsexual is the correct term when opposed to transgender, I am talking about genitalia so it is the correct term in this circumstance.
I think "transexual" has really fallen out of use over time (see: google trends although, I'm not sure how much this data actually means and it only goes back to '04), if I'm not mistaken people tend to use the term "post-op" more now. I'm not sure exactly the reason but I wouldn't be surprised if definitional ambiguity was at least a factor.
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Man, this is such a funny complaint. Imagine telling someone from Ancient Rome or Sumer about this problem. How long would it take to even get them to understand the constituent parts?
vulpes_artifex said:
Man, this is such a funny complaint. Imagine telling someone from Ancient Rome or Sumer about this problem. How long would it take to even get them to understand the constituent parts?
"You get as much water as you want just by turning this knob?"
"You get light at any hour by moving this switch?"
"Why are there so many of these metal boxes running around? Do you have to form hunting parties to deal with the aggressive ones?"
(Incidentally, in the Fate universe, Servants are automatically given knowledge of modern society to avoid situations like this.)
Necro-ing this thread because it's still an issue, why is futa aliased to intersex instead of gynomorph? As far as I'm aware, the generally accepted definition of futanari is "female body, but with a penis instead of a pussy", exactly as "gynomorph" is defined in the gender tagging guide. Right now, especially if combined with any particular tags like artists, searching for 'futa' may provide more pictures of andromorphs than anything anyone would consider 'futa'.
And while we can go on about how people should just do more descriptive searches, not everyone will in the moment and not everyone knows how to, and making the website more navigable in general should never be considered a bad thing.
calamity2000 said:
As far as I'm aware, the generally accepted definition of futanari is "female body, but with a penis instead of a pussy", exactly as "gynomorph" is defined in the gender tagging guide.
well, as far as you're aware is wrong, because "futanari" is japanese for hermaphrodite, my dude.
this is the exact problem with this word, no one knows what it means. so in order to deal with that it's just aliased up to the closest "common" definition. the only two options would be to alias it to herm the closest to the word's actual definition, or to intersex to avoid it ending up mistagged.
dba_afish said:
well, as far as you're aware is wrong, because "futanari" is japanese for hermaphrodite, my dude.this is the exact problem with this word, no one knows what it means. so in order to deal with that it's just aliased up to the closest "common" definition. the only two options would be to alias it to herm the closest to the word's actual definition, or to intersex to avoid it ending up mistagged.
Loan words can diverge from their original meanings in their source language. If we really insist it can't be its own tag, the current situation isn't any good either. If e621's systems allow it, it would be nice if it could be aliased to both herm and gynomorph, but I've never seen a dual alias so I don't think it can be done.
calamity2000 said:
Loan words can diverge from their original meanings in their source language. If we really insist it can't be its own tag, the current situation isn't any good either. If e621's systems allow it, it would be nice if it could be aliased to both herm and gynomorph, but I've never seen a dual alias so I don't think it can be done.
that would not be possible.
also, it'd be like _way_ more annoying since every time anyone tried to tag something as "futa" it'd apply both tags which would mean we'd have to search out and clean up every time that happened because the two terms are mutually exclusive.
just like-- use ~gynomorph ~herm.
You can try the tags Herm or Intersex -andromorphs (Putting a minus before the tag that you want to hide on the search)
Is this still even an issue? I rarely see the term used outside of Pixiv, anymore, and when it is used on Pixiv, it's often not remotely ambiguous.
calamity2000 said:
Necro-ing this thread because it's still an issue, why is futa aliased to intersex instead of gynomorph? As far as I'm aware, the generally accepted definition of futanari is "female body, but with a penis instead of a pussy", exactly as "gynomorph" is defined in the gender tagging guide. Right now, especially if combined with any particular tags like artists, searching for 'futa' may provide more pictures of andromorphs than anything anyone would consider 'futa'.And while we can go on about how people should just do more descriptive searches, not everyone will in the moment and not everyone knows how to, and making the website more navigable in general should never be considered a bad thing.
Because this is incorrect.
Futanari (two half) specifically was a genre of japanese erotic film (oft referred to as hentai in the west) that was known for replacing specifically the clitoris (or growing it into) with a penis. Not the entire vulva. "Full Package Futanari" which included the balls and is essentially just a trans girl with big tits was made because many westerners on the internet were quite literally going through a stage of incredible cope growth in their understanding of sexuality, which has to be weighted heavily against the anti homosexual and oft mysoginistic sexual repression common to (especially) america.
Additionally the futanari character can still become pregnant etc etc, its JUST a modified clitoromegaly fetish.
This term borrowed the term "Futanari" along w terms like Dgirl and Cboy from porn, mainly due to the fact that outside of queer circles, the language for transness and representations of trans and intersex body types quite literally did not exist in the cultural zeitgeist.
We use Gynomorph and Andromorph as a compromise because there is no way to distinguish between intersex and trans characters in tag what you see outside of surgery scars.
The word futanari has never been used correctly on this site even once in its entire history and quite literally JUST means intersex or the term "herm" that people use here for better or for worse.
It shouldnt come back because this is not how it works.
IF the tag came back it could really only refer to the extremely specific form of intersex representation wherein the depicted has a vulva, and a penis coming out where the clitoris is. If used to search for those specific examples I could see it's validity but that's not how it's being used, nor is it how it will be used.
Tl;DR
If you are looking for things without a vagina in them, use -pussy in your search.