E6 just isn’t what it used to be, but is there even a way to delete your own account? I don’t really think so.

fauxtraught said:
E6 just isn’t what it used to be, but is there even a way to delete your own account? I don’t really think so.

By "isn't what it used to be", I presume you mean that you are upset that you got smacked for making creepy comments.

Sure, there's a way to delete your account.
Account -> Settings -> Delete Account.

Goodbye.

"isn't what it used to be"....huh.
I just joined in the last few months, so I don't know the details, but I feel like it's always been like this.
It's true that e6 rules are so strict that we can be confusing at times. ← Well, I kind of understand why, and the rules is needed, though.

Still, I hope you'll come back......someday.

gloomy_wing said:
"isn't what it used to be"....huh.
I just joined in the last few months, so I don't know the details, but I feel like it's always been like this.
It's true that e6 rules are so strict that we can be confusing at times. ← Well, I kind of understand why, and the rules is needed, though.

Still, I hope you'll come back......someday.

I agree with bitWolfy that they're probably upset about the strike.
I've been on this site for years and the only change I can think of is the layout change that came out earlier this year. Nothing seems out of the ordinary, even the ways the mods enforce rules.

If it is about rule enforcement, I can understand the frustration. I sometimes spend time looking at other users strikes to see what NOT to do, and I definitely notice that the rules are sometimes enforced VERY strictly.

BUT it's something you can get used to. You really just have to think about your comment before you post it.

What I don't think some people understand is that if you actually read the rules, the mods did a pretty good job explaining what they don't want you to do (I like the little explanation blurb at the bottom of each rule that shows where the mod is coming from by enforcing the rules).

poontang said: You really just have to think about your comment before you post it.

It's actually very simple. If you get a warning for posting a creepy comment, you probably shouldn't go ahead and post the exact same comment again.

I personally think that the "creepy comment" rule is enforced way too harshly. But it is what it is.

Ive been here for 12 years and this is the same place it used to be, minus a few joke tags.

poontang said:the layout change that came out earlier this year. Nothing seems out of the ordinary...

didn't know that happened...

I was going to be an artist (here) in the future, so observed for a few months, and decided to check the ticket center first,
because didn't want to receive even a "neutral" warning.
In my view, Neutral = YellowCard , Negative = RedCard = It's time to be banned

Fortunately I was able to discover it early on and learn, "OK, this is something I can Not do". So I felt, it's the same place ( like @Pyke said )
I felt at the time that, This is a useful system that is being published, and that the e6 staff is serious about this issue. That's why I trust e6.
( Yeah, I like the little explanation like you say, too. )

Having said that,

bitwolfy said:I personally think that the "creepy comment" rule is enforced way too harshly. But it is what it is.

I can't deny this. 　I remember Someone said, "Can't we make erotic comments on an erotic site?".
However, if we think of this as acceptable, the e6 discipline(order/system) will collapse. 　At least I think so.
And e6 is not my own world --- e6 is not mine.　 This is my thoughts on the matter : If Admin or Janitor says "No", they mean "No".
Unless it's unreasonable, I understand that I have no choice but to follow it.

I'm already afraid of this stuff, so I basically only make comments that can be shown to SFW users.

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To be honest, about "Use-Your-Blacklist",
I interpret this as "If you don't like it, don't watch it ( And don't leave negative comments )".

But I guess I don't like the way to say, "GET OUT if you can't follow the rules! Or obey us in anything"
If I say That, it could be "causing drama", so I'm careful.
So I'd like they to say, "Let's follow the rules" or something like that.

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Sorry, but there's a reason I replied in the first place.
I just had mixed feelings about that user(@FauxTraught) trying to delete their account.
Bad behavior is not allowed, but still I can never say "it's nice" to see users get banned or leave e6.　Rather a sad thing to think about.

If the user is going to reset their score, then don't delete the account, just recreate it. ← If I do that, I should be permanently banned...
But they don't......So I believe they do Not mean to do so. 　This is not because I woke up in the morning and posted it.
I guess it's an choice to leave e6, but I hope you'll come back......someday, I just thought so.

You bet e621 isn't what it used to be, and that's a good thing. It's improved much since Bad Dragon acquired it, becoming more professional, better organized, and functionally better.

bitwolfy said:
I personally think that the "creepy comment" rule is enforced way too harshly. But it is what it is.

Unfortunately, if the moderators give an inch, there will be way too many creepy types prone to take a mile, squeeze out an extra mile or two, and then argue that the moderators are working with kilometers instead. Furthermore, creepy commentary can be offputting to some artists as well as a number of users. This is one of those cases when strict enforcement likely saves a lot of ulcers and migraines down the line for moderators.

gloomy_wing said:
I can't deny this. 　I remember Someone said, "Can't we make erotic comments on an erotic site?".
However, if we think of this as acceptable, the e6 discipline(order/system) will collapse. 　At least I think so.
And e6 is not my own world --- e6 is not mine.　 This is my thoughts on the matter : If Admin or Janitor says "No", they mean "No".
Unless it's unreasonable, I understand that I have no choice but to follow it.

I'm already afraid of this stuff, so I basically only make comments that can be shown to SFW users.

If I remember correctly, these rules were introduced to avoid creeping out the artists who post on this site.
Some people get deeply uncomfortable if someone starts roleplaying with their character. Even worse, if that character is their fursona.

So, instead of handling it on a case-by-case basis, a decision was made to straight up forbid any comments that could be considered creepy.

gloomy_wing said:
I just had mixed feelings about that user(@FauxTraught) trying to delete their account.
Bad behavior is not allowed, but still I can never say "it's nice" to see users get banned or leave e6.　Rather a sad thing to think about.

That's the thing - they didn't get banned.
They got a warning, ignored it, got a negative record. If they were to continue this type of behavior, they would first receive a 3 day ban, then a 7 day one, then a permanent one. That is more than enough warnings for anyone to understand that this type of behavior is unacceptable on e621. Plus, records decay - a negative record will eventually become a neutral one, and a neutral one will disappear altogether.

If they were to leave the site right now – which they have not done yet, it would be because of a tantrum they threw, not due to a ban.

clawstripe said:
Unfortunately, if the moderators give an inch, there will be way too many creepy types prone to take a mile, squeeze out an extra mile or two, and then argue that the moderators are working with kilometers instead. Furthermore, creepy commentary can be offputting to some artists as well as a number of users. This is one of those cases when strict enforcement likely saves a lot of ulcers and migraines down the line for moderators.

That is very much true.
Personally, the fact that someone consistently misspells the word "blacklist" as "blakclist" in the tickets annoys me a whole lot more than any number of creepy comments.
But I can see why others may think differently.

bitwolfy said:If I remember correctly...

Thank you for sharing the details.　 _{^{The user who has a "shiny green bar" is someone I respect.}}
I see, that's why sometimes the records looked strange.
And even in cat or/and dog videos on YouTube, for example, I see comments like "I hope the uploader doesn't speak for their voice".

clawstripe said:saves a lot of ulcers and migraines down the line for moderators.

I'm worried about admins who handling it ,( and other staffs )...

Unfortunately, if the moderators give an inch, there will be way too many creepy types prone to take a mile, squeeze out an extra mile or two, and then argue that the moderators are working with kilometers instead. Furthermore, creepy commentary can be offputting to some artists as well as a number of users. This is one of those cases when strict enforcement likely saves a lot of ulcers and migraines down the line for moderators.

What I have noticed in my 11 years here as well. It goes to shit really fast

Honestly, if you're afraid of getting struck when commenting anything, you don't HAVE to comment, or at least, be very safe when commenting. I mean, I don't think the mods are trying to scare people into not commenting, but playing it safe or not commenting at all seems to be a better option than just deleting your account.

poontang said:
Honestly, if you're afraid of getting struck when commenting anything, you don't HAVE to comment, or at least, be very safe when commenting. I mean, I don't think the mods are trying to scare people into not commenting, but playing it safe or not commenting at all seems to be a better option than just deleting your account.

Then why have comments at all? I have seen genuinly creepy comments, but this guy "creepy" comments were really tame, just a bit generic and meme'y if you ask me.

azero said:
Then why have comments at all? I have seen genuinly creepy comments, but this guy "creepy" comments were really tame, just a bit generic and meme'y if you ask me.

Talking to the characters is seen as creepy, you can compliment parts of the art just fine, but you shouldn't talk to it.

furrin_gok said:
Talking to the characters is seen as creepy, you can compliment parts of the art just fine, but you shouldn't talk to it.

Even then, it is a gray area if you ask me, for instance, if the characters ask something along the lines of "Do you like what you see?" and I comment "Yes", is it creepy?
Or what about this other scenario, in which the character has big butt but has no dialogue, therefore I would be speaking to them, and so I reply (not directed to the character, mind you, but rather their body) "Now that's a juicy ass in need of some assfucking and I got the answer right here *unzips*."

Where I am trying to get is that there is a really big gray line between creepy and just a generic comment, let's not forget that this is a furry site with a lot of explicit material, so one should not be surprised to find these kind of comments, anyhow, it still feels like at the end of the day, it's pretty subjective as for what constitutes as "creepy".

azero said:
I have seen genuinly creepy comments

so report them

azero said:
Even then, it is a gray area if you ask me, for instance, if the characters ask something along the lines of "Do you like what you see?" and I comment "Yes", is it creepy?
Or what about this other scenario, in which the character has big butt but has no dialogue, therefore I would be speaking to them, and so I reply (not directed to the character, mind you, but rather their body) "Now that's a juicy ass in need of some assfucking and I got the answer right here *unzips*."

It may be subjective, but in both cases yes those comments can easily be interpreted as creepy. In the first place the question is rhetorical, and it's unnecessary to answer. In both cases it is unnecessary to know what you personally would like to do with a drawn character if they were real.

Just because something is subjective doesn't mean that it can't have widely recognized connotations.

azero said:
Even then, it is a gray area if you ask me, for instance, if the characters ask something along the lines of "Do you like what you see?" and I comment "Yes", is it creepy?
Or what about this other scenario, in which the character has big butt but has no dialogue, therefore I would be speaking to them, and so I reply (not directed to the character, mind you, but rather their body) "Now that's a juicy ass in need of some assfucking and I got the answer right here *unzips*."

There isn't a grey area. Not really.
Both of those situations fall under the "creepy" rule. Just don't talk to characters, roleplay with them, or make suggestions as to what you want to do with them. Yes, it includes stuff like *unzips*.

It's not that difficult.

azero said:
Or what about this other scenario, in which the character has big butt but has no dialogue, therefore I would be speaking to them, and so I reply (not directed to the character, mind you, but rather their body) "Now that's a juicy ass in need of some assfucking and I got the answer right here *unzips*."

That's... quite creepy. We don't need your personal commentary about how much a character's ass needs fucking, nor the mental image of you unzipping your pants to fuck said fictional character. "That's a fine ass" would be fine, IMO, but "I want to fuck that ass" is a bit much in an open forum. Especially considering the character can be anything from a generic throwaway character, to a character belonging to someone's personal story, or representing a real person, or...

azero said:
Where I am trying to get is that there is a really big gray line between creepy and just a generic comment, let's not forget that this is a furry site with a lot of explicit material, so one should not be surprised to find these kind of comments, anyhow, it still feels like at the end of the day, it's pretty subjective as for what constitutes as "creepy".

I agree that "creepy" is subjective, but this site does lay out some ground rules for what that means. Talking to pictures in a sexual manner is against the rules, talking about your own sexual escapades is against the rules. Whether or not you personally consider it creepy doesn't matter -- this site does, so those kinds of things are against the rules.

If the creepy comment rule gets rescinded, I will go to at least ten thousand m/f images and post "Hey, that's my wife you're fucking" or variations thereof.

azero said:
Then why have comments at all?

The comment section isn't for talking to characters, being creepy, roleplaying or harassing. It's quite clear the mods want to make the comment section a place for praise, engagement, jokes and criticism. Personally I like this atmosphere, it makes the comment section less toxic and more engaging and/or funny.
That's why I said that someone doesn't HAVE to comment. If it's really so hard not to be creepy, harassing or roleplay then that person shouldn't comment at all, unless they want to risk a termination of their account.

I know everyone has pushed forward their opinions on how subjective creepiness is and I personally agree with your points and the other user's points. I do agree that the creepiness rule does get enforced to a degree that can be confusing to some. I see tons of comments (and I've made a few myself) where someone talks to the character in reply to dialogue. And every so often a user gets struck to what seems like a random degree. I personally think this is because the mods cannot be everywhere all the time, so many comments slip through the cracks. I also believe that some comments are highlighted through being reported.
However, to some users, it can seem like a random or targeting attack when you get a strike for a creepy comment, while you've seen dozens of other accounts make the same kind of comment and get off scot free.
There's one thing that I like about this site that, to me, nullifies the fact that the mods "use their powers" to target random individuals. It's the fact that you get a strike. The mods don't terminate your account. Strikes don't do anything to hinder your experience of the site. They are purely there to not only keep track of the strikes you have, but they also emphasize the fact that you broke the rules. Sure they're embarrassing, but they DO degrade over time. A majority of strikes users get for their first creepy comment is a 'Neutral' strike, which the waiting period for degradation is 6 months I believe. If a mod is actually targeting you, they'd probably instantly terminate your account. What is getting a strike going to do to your experience of the site? Make you afraid that you're going to get terminated because of any comment you make? Then don't comment. Maybe you're afraid of posting on this site because you got a strike for uploading DNP content. Then either do more research or don't post.

To me, it isn't a matter of how "fair" the rules are being enforced. If you've read the rules or at least got familiar with what the mods strike (which is what I did), then you'll realize that the rules are enforced strictly, just as they've always been. It seems many users just get mad when they get caught breaking the rules and I don't think it should be that way.
It's like doing a "California stop" at a stop sign. Thousands of people do it, I've done it many times myself, but you can't be mad when you get caught, especially when you're let off with a warning.

poontang said:
The comment section isn't for talking to characters, being creepy, roleplaying or harassing. It's quite clear the mods want to make the comment section a place for praise, engagement, jokes and criticism. Personally I like this atmosphere, it makes the comment section less toxic and more engaging and/or funny.

At least personally, yes! I love seeing a good CONVERSATION going on in the comments. A couple months ago, someone asked if anyone could come up with a semi-reasonable scientific explanation about how an animal could cum literal gallons, and I loved the change to talk about Hagfish :D (post #2399178 BTW)... it's also really neat to be able to talk about things and be able to mention dog cock without having to politely warn that you're going to talk about weird things, here it is under a spoiler, carefully spoken around, when really you just want to talk about the penis bone, or mating success strategies.

That's why I said that someone doesn't HAVE to comment. If it's really so hard not to be creepy, harassing or roleplay then that person shouldn't comment at all, unless they want to risk a termination of their account.

Basically. Before I reply to any comment anywhere on the internet, I ask myself if it's worth it. After I type it, I ask again if it's really WORTH engaging with folks about, THEN I hit enter. If the only point of your comment is to fulfill a degree of personal fantasy: don't.

I know everyone has pushed forward their opinions on how subjective creepiness is and I personally agree with your points and the other user's points. I do agree that the creepiness rule does get enforced to a degree that can be confusing to some. I see tons of comments (and I've made a few myself) where someone talks to the character in reply to dialogue. And every so often a user gets struck to what seems like a random degree. I personally think this is because the mods cannot be everywhere all the time, so many comments slip through the cracks. I also believe that some comments are highlighted through being reported.
However, to some users, it can seem like a random or targeting attack when you get a strike for a creepy comment, while you've seen dozens of other accounts make the same kind of comment and get off scot free.

It also doesn't help that there's no way to tell if a user got punished for THAT PARTICULAR COMMENT unless you happen to swing by when:

1) They have already received enough warnings to receive a ban--usually on the 3rd incident.
2) You happen to come by DURING the period of their ban--usually a day or three, for the first ban.

so that's a relatively small window, y'know? There's not a message that says "this user was warned for this post" or "this post resulted in the user being banned" or anything like that. We don't display a users record by their names or anything, so as you scroll down, there's no way to tell the person who's on the cusp of being perma banned for 4 different rules, from the perfectly polite rule following user.

So, it can seem like people are getting away scot free, when they aren't.

Also, report bad comments please <3 We cannot be everywhere. (seriously, we can't. There's been 10 comments posted in the last 5 minutes. If you report something that isn't reportable, we'll let you know. To my knowledge, no one has ever gotten in trouble for making a report in good faith. (I am pretty sure we've had one or two bad faith reporters though. They don't count.)

Sorry to I seem to go off topic. I just want to talk.

About "why have comments at all?" :
Lately I've been doing some translation work, so I'm leaving some information about it in the comments.
i.e. questions about art[backstory...], how to describe it, and things I don't know...
Then, users who love the art/image will help me. ← Thank you everyone.
So I understand that the comments are there to do something good for the art (and to leave some good feedback).

And "Grey area" : I basically only write SFW content because I don't want to get lost in whether my comments are creepy or not.

※PS : I don't want to be confused about whether it's rude or not, so I try not to use bad expressions...
...Well, you know what I mean? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I said something like, "I should watch how I say". But in that case, I knew all we could really say was "Get out"...Because I thought so too.

It’s all a matter of being able to “read the room” and gauge the environment. I’ve made a couple of comments in the past that I thought were funny but apparently that type of humor didn’t go over well and I got neutrals for being creepy. So I try not to steer in that direction any more.

All anyone has to do is look at comments on this site from a decade or so ago, or even better, look at the total shitfest of rule 34 xxx and see what happens when rules aren’t enforced. I’d rather see people unhappy for getting dinged for creepiness than a mess of cringe and spam and R-P requests.