In the wiki page multi_nipple is defined as "A character with more than 2 nipples belonging to an individual body.", which means that a character with 4 breasts and one nipple per breast should have the tag. Ex: post #257180
In the wiki page for breasts meanwhile multi_nipple is defined as "A character whose breasts have more than one nipple each.", so that image shouldn't have it

Which is the correct one?
If the fist one is correct then we are missing a "more than one nipple per breast" tag

I think multi_nipple is more relevant when talking about characters that lack well defined breasts (i.e. a feral cat), in the case above, each breast has its own nipple, this would be a similar case to a multiheaded character, sure, there are more than 2 eyes belonging to the same body, but we don't tag multi_eye unless there are more than 2 eyes per head, at least that's my logic.

Hmm, so if we don't tag multi_eye if there are for example 2 eyes on each head of a Hydra or something, we should only tag multi_nipple if there's more than one nipple per breast? But then 90% of pictures tagged multi_nipple would be incorrect... Even then, we probably still need a "more than 2 nipples per character regardless of breast number"

I think the definition on multi_nipple is the one we should go with, as it's quite a nice umbrella tag for a character with more than 2 nipples per body. A new tag should made for the "multiple nipples on one breast" which honestly could probably also imply multi_nipple.

Under its current definition multi_nipple would cover:

two regular breasts with nipples, plus additional nipples with no breasts
post #2560284

multiple breasts with a regular amount of nipples each
post #2561428

flat chests that have no breasts - because men have nipples too
post #2531917

characters more feral in appearance that don't have breasts and only nipples
post #2544217

and finally characters that have multiple nipples on each breast
post #385701

If we for some reason decide that this tag only applies to the last example I gave, a new tag would have to be made for all the other examples, which currently make up more than 90% of the posts tagged with multi_nipple.

I don't really think the two head comparison is really relevant here, since both heads have the usual amount of eyes where in this case there's one torso with additional nipples. If a character was some sort of conjoined twin that had two seperate torsos, both of which had two nipples each, the multi_nipple tag wouldn't apply per that argument.

faucet said:
characters more feral in appearance that don't have breasts and only nipples
post #2544217

As I've said in another thread, unless I'm misunderstanding things, aren't those teats, thereby nullifying the nipple tag? Pictures like these should not be tagged with multi_nipple, because having multiple teats is normal for feral mammals (although there is also a multi_teat tag with few posts, though I'm skeptical on its use). And as said in its wiki, for tagging purposes, the two are generally separate.

As far as the rest of the discussion... Honestly, I would've thought multi_nipple would've been the "more than one nipple per breast" tag. That's what it sounds like, because multi_* is often pointing out something that goes against the norm, and I wouldn't exactly say that having 4 nipples just because you have 4 breasts is against the norm. 4 breasts are, but the nipples would be in normal amount given how many breasts the character has.

faucet said:
I don't really think the two head comparison is really relevant here, since both heads have the usual amount of eyes where in this case there's one torso with additional nipples. If a character was some sort of conjoined twin that had two seperate torsos, both of which had two nipples each, the multi_nipple tag wouldn't apply per that argument.

Personally, I think the two head comparison is relevant here. But if you don't like that comparison, then what about multi_knot? Its wiki explicitly says it's for more than one knot on a single penis. Not for characters with multiple penises that each have the normal amount of knots. Personally, I feel like multi_nipple requires some serious cleaning up, and go the same way as multi_knot.

I haven't the foggiest idea of what to tag the rest, though, unless you go the way of counting nipples kind of like 4_wings or 6_arms. But those generally implicate their multi_* equivalent, and counting has limited usefulness when you consider the existence of boobipedes... Honestly, this whole thing is a mess I'm not entirely sure how to go about cleaning up.

Looks like we already started counting: 4, 6, and 8_nipples tags already exist and are used as "N nipples on one character regardless of breasts".
Regardless of what we choose we have to clean up the wiki pages, the definitions are contradictory.

vulkalu said:
As I've said in another thread, unless I'm misunderstanding things, aren't those teats, thereby nullifying the nipple tag?

No comment on this - you're probably right. I just picked that as a random example.

vulkalu said:
Personally, I think the two head comparison is relevant here. But if you don't like that comparison, then what about multi_knot? Its wiki explicitly says it's for more than one knot on a single penis. Not for characters with multiple penises that each have the normal amount of knots. Personally, I feel like multi_nipple requires some serious cleaning up, and go the same way as multi_knot.

I think the comparison is still wrong, knots are always found on penises but nipples are only found on breasts on a developed female body - men and undeveloped females have nipples without breasts so I think the tag should be based around how many are on a chest rather than on a breast. The wiki page's current definition seems to affirm this with "more than 2 nipples belonging to an invidual body".

The following makes the most sense to me:
Four eyes on one head - multi_eye
Two knots on one penis - multi_knot
Four breasts on one chest - multi_breast
Six nipples on one chest - multi_nipple
Two nipples on one breast - needs a tag

EDIT: Either way, the "more than one nipple on one breast" concept is rare compared to the other uses so all these posts should be moved to another tag rather than untagged if the consensus is to only use multi_nipple for that purpose.

vulkalu said:
As I've said in another thread, unless I'm misunderstanding things, aren't those teats, thereby nullifying the nipple tag?

Technically speaking, teats are nipples. e6 just makes the arbitrary distinction that nipples are the normal set on the upper torso/chest of mammals, while teats are below that, near the crotch area (???). But that does make things confusing, because post #2531917 would generally be tagged as multi-nipple, but the same nipple pattern on a feral would be tagged as teats, even though e6's definitions mean they should both be tagged nipples (for the two upper most nipples) and teats (for the 4+ lower nipples), and the dictionary definition means they're all teats and nipples equally.

IMO, I think what needs to happen is that teats gets aliased to nipples, and some kind of supernumerary_nipples tag to indicate a character has more nipples than the species normally has. multi_nipple could be disambiguated to refer to supernumerary_nipples in general, or another tag for multiple nipples on one breast or areola.

watsit said:
Technically speaking, teats are nipples. e6 just makes the arbitrary distinction that nipples are the normal set on the upper torso/chest of mammals, while teats are below that, near the crotch area (???). But that does make things confusing,

I agree, but the tag exists, so I just wanted to point it out. If it gets aliased away, then you're free to ignore my arguments about teats vs nipples. But... for the moment, it still exists, so I'll argue that those pictures shouldn't be tagged multi_nipple, and should instead be teats.

As far as the rest... I can't claim to know what's the best answer. I just know that multi_nipple, to me, sounds like it should be the tag for multiple nipples on one "breast" (yes, faucet, I'm including men and undeveloped females as it's still in the same spot). Or at the very least, an umbrella tag for the split between "multiple nipples on one" and "several nipples, but one to each "breast". ...Which is why I don't think it should be aliased away, because it could at least be used as an umbrella if someone does or doesn't want to see either.

Not sure how to come at this thread so here's a wiki-text roundup
First up I'll start by pointing out the multi_nipple wiki definition predates the breasts wiki's inclusion of more than one nipple each (the prior text being simply Multi nipple: More than two nipples)

• nipples says barely anything beyond Many mammals have more than 2 nipples and mentions teats only as a See also
• Notably nothing about what forms nipples even applies to, which will come up again.
• multi_nipple as of 20 days ago states that multi_teat is the tag to use for nipples that are not generally associated with humanoid breasts.
• teats
• States This can is most often associated with equines, sheep, goats, cows, etc. (sic)
• Further defines itself as Equine "crotch tits", udders, and similar non "human-like" nipples/breasts
• Itself references multi-nipple as More than 2 nipples; seen in dogs, cats, etc.
• Is the place that the crotchtits alias group points to

From this I think the site needs to draw a line on what is a nipple and what is a teat.

• Is nipples only appropriate in conjunction with humanoid breasts or pectoral muscle?
• Does a clearly-anthro character with only one set of breasts/pectorals and more than one set of nipples but not any additional breast tissue have:
• nipples multi_nipple?
• nipples teats?
• Is there a useful desire to keep "crotch breasts" in a separate tag from "just lower-nipples but without notable breast tissue"?
• Note that udders states that udders are not usually tagged on teats without multiple nipples, which rules itself out of this role.

Personal opinions:
I'd like to still separate characters with noticeable equine/cervine/caprine-styled breast tissues away from characters whose abdominal nipples don't feature pronounced breast tissue, but that's largely personal preference. I imagine a lot of people would draw a lot of different lines between where nipples and teats switch over. In a lot of art it's hard to say whether a standalone nipple is "humanoid" or not.

magnuseffect said:
Personal opinions:
I'd like to still separate characters with noticeable equine/cervine/caprine-styled breast tissues away from characters whose abdominal nipples don't feature pronounced breast tissue, but that's largely personal preference.

+1

I consider the distinction significant and useful and I believe that the tagging system should reflect it.

This is kinda getting out of scope, here's my proposal:
Since multi_nipple's wiki is older, keep it as is (but clarify the multi_nipple and breasts wiki)
Add another tag (and related wiki article) for "more than one nipple per breast", I can't come up with something better than "multi_nipple_per_breast"...
What do you think?

...bump?