I type in "a cat is fine too" to discover almost all the images were deleted. What going now?

sk8th said:
I type in "a cat is fine too" to discover almost all the images were deleted. What going now?

The posts are still there, the tag was just removed from a bunch of posts recently because it shouldn't have been on them. If you're looking for human-on-cat bestiality, search human_on_feral domestic_cat. Or if you're looking for feral domestic cats in general, search feral domestic_cat. Or replace domestic_cat with felid if you're a little less discerning.

watsit said:
search human_on_feral domestic_cat. Or if you're looking for feral domestic cats in general, search feral domestic_cat. Or replace domestic_cat with felid if you're a little less discerning.

Just a cat is fine too.

watsit said:
The posts are still there, the tag was just removed from a bunch of posts recently because it shouldn't have been on them. If you're looking for human-on-cat bestiality, search human_on_feral domestic_cat. Or if you're looking for feral domestic cats in general, search feral domestic_cat. Or replace domestic_cat with felid if you're a little less discerning.

Didn't that fail, again?

camkitty said:
Didn't that fail, again?

An attempt to invalidate the tag failed (again).
The tag was then purged manually, from ~900 posts to 5.

bitwolfy said:
An attempt to invalidate the tag failed (again).
The tag was then purged manually, from ~900 posts to 5.

So they did it anyways. So the thread was pointless

camkitty said:
So they did it anyways. So the thread was pointless

The tag is still valid, it's just being used more correctly now. We'll see how long it lasts until it gets tagged on a bunch of irrelevant posts again.

bitwolfy said:
An attempt to invalidate the tag failed (again).
The tag was then purged manually, from ~900 posts to 5.

Who took the time out of their day to remove the tag from over 900 posts? Did they get a ban?

Well if he are going to get sadly anal about wacky tags lets hit "lost_my_keys" since it is just used for any fisting. Don't make a post for it either. That seems to be pointless

cat1778 said:
Who took the time out of their day to remove the tag from over 900 posts? Did they get a ban?

Hopefully they got accolades.

camkitty said:
Well if he are going to get sadly anal about wacky tags lets hit "lost_my_keys" since it is just used for any fisting.

Again, it's not about being "anal about wacky tags". It's about the tag not being used as it was defined and not being applied on a consistent basis. This made it difficult to find or blacklist the things it was intended to be for (i.e. the original meme), while also not being applied to what people wanted to apply it to (it was arbitrary what cat pics it ended up tagged on as everybody's standard for the tag was wildly different, ranging from any feline character, to feral felines, female feral felines, female feral feline bestiality, and finally referencing the original meme). The more precise things a person would want to look for or blacklist would end up catching a lot of irrelevant pics, while with the more general things it got tagged on a person would miss more and more similar content.

It'd be like if people started tagging vaporeon_copypasta on random male-human+female-vaporeon pics, without the copypasta itself present. And some users would randomly tag it on female-vaporeon pics that didn't have a human or a male. And further still, some users would randomly tag it on non-female vaporeon pics. So it wouldn't cover all vaporeon pics, it wouldn't cover all female-vaporeon pics, it wouldn't cover all male-human+female-vaporeon pics, and people who wanted to look for or blacklist the actual copypasta meme couldn't without catching a bunch of non-meme content.

cat1778 said:
Who took the time out of their day to remove the tag from over 900 posts? Did they get a ban?

No, I wasn't banned. It didn't take that long either.

camkitty said:
Well if he are going to get sadly anal about wacky tags lets hit "lost_my_keys" since it is just used for any fisting. Don't make a post for it either. That seems to be pointless

Good point, lost_my_keys should be reviewed too.
In my opinion, that tag should be used for characters deliberately reaching down an orifice, as if trying to find something, rather than just normal fisting:
post #837455 post #911843 post #2510216

I agree with with Watsit here. It is better to have consistent, precise definitions of tags, rather than reusing random meme tags. It helps people find the content that they like - how would a new user know that feral cat stuff can be found at a_cat_is_fine_too? Meanwhile, anyone who blacklisted meme wouldn't see that content at all.

watsit said:
Hopefully they got accolades.

Again, it's not about being "anal about wacky tags". It's about the tag not being used as it was defined and not being applied on a consistent basis. This made it difficult to find or blacklist the things it was intended to be for (i.e. the original meme), while also not being applied to what people wanted to apply it to (it was arbitrary what cat pics it ended up tagged on as everybody's standard for the tag was wildly different, ranging from any feline character, to feral felines, female feral felines, female feral feline bestiality, and finally referencing the original meme). The more precise things a person would want to look for or blacklist would end up catching a lot of irrelevant pics, while with the more general things it got tagged on a person would miss more and more similar content.

It'd be like if people started tagging vaporeon_copypasta on random male-human+female-vaporeon pics, without the copypasta itself present. And some users would randomly tag it on female-vaporeon pics that didn't have a human or a male. And further still, some users would randomly tag it on non-female vaporeon pics. So it wouldn't cover all vaporeon pics, it wouldn't cover all female-vaporeon pics, it wouldn't cover all male-human+female-vaporeon pics, and people who wanted to look for or blacklist the actual copypasta meme couldn't without catching a bunch of non-meme content.

Memes extend beyond the original straight thing it was. Was it used wrong? Sure, but I can guarantee a less anal person would have left more then 5. Again, with the "lost my keys" example, I bet very few lost thier keys up there, and it is just applied to heavy fisting. Because the joke in people's mind now extends to elbow deep fisting, not just literally lost keys. Not saying it was not messy, just "fixed" lazily.

Hell let's get "these aren't my glasses", since none of those people actually have lost their glasses right?

camkitty said:
Memes extend beyond the original straight thing it was. Was it used wrong? Sure, but I can guarantee a less anal person would have left more then 5. Again, with the "lost my keys" example, I bet very few lost thier keys up there, and it is just applied to heavy fisting. Not saying it was not messy, just "fixed" lazily

I assure you, I did my best to find anything even remotely relevant to the meme there. Feel free to review my changes if you want:
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_removed]=a_cat_is_fine_too&search[updater_id]=211960

camkitty said:
Hell let's get "these aren't my glasses", since none of those people actually have lost their glasses right?

Are you being deliberately dense? That tag is used for character's vision being obstructed by another character's body parts.
And as far as I can see, it's being used correctly, barring a few outliers.

bitwolfy said:
I assure you, I did my best to find anything even remotely relevant to the meme there. Feel free to review my changes if you want:
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_removed]=a_cat_is_fine_too&search[updater_id]=211960

Humans with straight up feral cats is where the joke of the meme extends, just like heavy fisting for "lost my keys" and balls on anyone's eyes for "these aren't my glasses". Unless you want to reduce EVERY meme tag down to just it's original source and nothing else

camkitty said:
Humans with straight up feral cats is where the joke of the meme extends, just like heavy fisting for "lost my keys" and balls on anyone's eyes for "these aren't my glasses".

Even assuming that this is true, that definition is way too broad and too vague for a meme tag.
Yes, I would prefer it if all meme tags were trimmed down to the original, and references to the original. I'm not sure why that's such a contentious opinion.

camkitty said:
Humans with straight up feral cats is where the joke of the meme extends

Says you. Other people clearly had a different opinion, given it was tagged often enough on feral cats without any human in sight, and sometimes not even a feral cat (and sometimes not even a domestic cat, but some other feline species). People have been warned against tagging it on random feline content, but it happened anyway. Something needed to be done for the tag to remain relevant.

Moreover, you say the tag should now be for humans with feral cats, but then where does that leave posts like
post #1554731
which is in clear reference to the meme, but has no humans or feral cats (or even imply bestiality)? Does the tag need to pull double-duty and reference two distinct things?

camkitty said:
Humans with straight up feral cats is where the joke of the meme extends, just like heavy fisting for "lost my keys" and balls on anyone's eyes for "these aren't my glasses". Unless you want to reduce EVERY meme tag down to just it's original source and nothing else

I'm with the others on this one. A meme tag is alright to have, but if an image isn't related to the meme other than "there's a human and a cat" then it should not have the tag.

There's more context to "a cat is fine too" than simply involving a human and a cat. If the image doesn't have that context, it doesn't apply.

Where exactly the line is drawn is less clear to me, I'll admit that much. But they are right in saying the tag was being severely overused on a lot of images that had little to no relation to the meme.

bitwolfy said:
I assure you, I did my best to find anything even remotely relevant to the meme there. Feel free to review my changes if you want:
https://e621.net/post_versions?search[tags_removed]=a_cat_is_fine_too&search[updater_id]=211960

Are you being deliberately dense? That tag is used for character's vision being obstructed by another character's body parts.
And as far as I can see, it's being used correctly, barring a few outliers.

Ah only being literal on a meme tag when it helps you, and insulting others to boot. Nice privileged user, really putting their best foot forward.

Shame, I always respected you BitWolfy

camkitty said:
Ah only being literal on a meme tag when it helps you, and insulting others to boot. Nice privileged user, really putting their best foot forward.

Shame, I always respected you BitWolfy

My statement about you being deliberately dense isn't an insult.
It's a genuine reaction to you trying to make a false equivalency between a tag describing a rather specific situation, and a tag that is wildly misused.

The these_aren't_my_glasses tag is for one character's genitals covering the face of another character. That was the original meme, and that's what the consecutive posts are showing.
Meanwhile, here are some posts that used to be tagged as a_cat_is_fine_too:

post #2400492 post #2569816 post #2308676 post #364875 post #2484225

The only thing that unifies these posts is the presence of a feline. In most cases, there was also a human present, but not always.
If your argument is that we need a specific human/feline tag, then I am sorry, but you are objectively wrong.
E621 does not have that kind of species-specific tags - otherwise, there would need to be hundreds of tags like that, for every species that exists.

My objection with a_cat_is_fine_too isn't that it's a "meme" or a "wacky" tag.
My issue is, and has always been, that it is being used to describe a way too broad of a topic, in a way that is not normally done on this site.

camkitty said:
Well if he are going to get sadly anal about wacky tags lets hit "lost_my_keys" since it is just used for any fisting. Don't make a post for it either. That seems to be pointless

camkitty said:
Ah only being literal on a meme tag when it helps you, and insulting others to boot. Nice privileged user, really putting their best foot forward.

Shame, I always respected you BitWolfy

You need to tone it down. Yes, we value distinct tags with narrow definitions over tag definitions that are bordering at far too broad to be useful. You should also probably consider that calling someone "anal" multiple times is in poorer taste here considering you're deliberately ignoring half the argument being presented before you were called out on doing so.