The bulk update request #1090 is pending approval.

Reason: some missing imminent_sex implications

I'm not sure about imminent_anal and imminent_vaginal. I know the wiki for the former says it's for imminent_sex, but I feel like they should also be applicable for imminent_masturbation of the anal or vaginal variety.

Any thoughts on imminent penetration? Currently aliased to imminent sex.

strikerman said:
Any thoughts on imminent penetration? Currently aliased to imminent sex.

Would make sense to dealias them, since you can have imminent penetration that's not imminent sex (e.g. with a dildo or their own finger/tail/other), and imminent sex that's not imminent penetration (e.g. about to give a handjob, cunnilingus, etc).

Is bestiality inherently sex? I'd assume bestiality includes lower-level sexualised acts.

magnuseffect said:
Is bestiality inherently sex? I'd assume bestiality includes lower-level sexualised acts.

Shoot I completely missed that. imminent_bestiality seems a bit too specific for a tag, especially since most of the tagged posts seem like they'd benefit from either imminent_sex or plain ol' bestiality instead.

watsit said:
I'm not sure about imminent_anal and imminent_vaginal. I know the wiki for the former says it's for imminent_sex, but I feel like they should also be applicable for imminent_masturbation of the anal or vaginal variety.

Didn't notice the imminent_masturbation tag. I remove these from the BUR, however the wikis must be updated.

Also added those :

These all look good, though I think there are some more tags that could also be added to this BUR:

The stuff below this can also be submitted after the un-alias for imminent_penetration -> imminent_sex is approved:

d.d.m. said:
These all look good, though I think there are some more tags that could also be added to this BUR:

imply imminent_anal_masturbation -> imminent_masturbation
imply imminent_anal_masturbation -> imminent_anal
imply imminent_oral_masturbation -> imminent_masturbation
imply imminent_oral_masturbation -> imminent_oral
imply imminent_penile_masturbation -> imminent_masturbation
imply imminent_penile_masturbation -> imminent_penile
imply imminent_tail_masturbation -> imminent_masturbation
imply imminent_vaginal_masturbation -> imminent_masturbation
imply imminent_vaginal_masturbation -> imminent_vaginal
imply imminent_fellatio -> imminent_penile
imply imminent_anal_penetration -> imminent_anal
imply imminent_oral_penetration -> imminent_oral
imply imminent_penile_penetration -> imminent_penile
imply imminent_vaginal_penetration -> imminent_vaginal
imply imminent_anal_knotting -> imminent_knotting
imply imminent_anal_knotting -> imminent_anal
imply imminent_oral_knotting -> imminent_knotting
imply imminent_oral_knotting -> imminent_fellatio
imply imminent_vaginal_knotting -> imminent_knotting
imply imminent_vaginal_knotting -> imminent_vaginal

Thanks, I updated the BUR.

There is a problem with the tag implications for the knotting tags. Usually the character is already having intercourse when they are about to knot someone. For instance, imminent_anal_knotting would probably be anal penetration, if not always anal penetration.

This BUR is going to add further inaccuracy to the imminent sex tag. You can already be having sex, when any other additional sexual act is about to happen.

thevileone said:
There is a problem with the tag implications for the knotting tags. Usually the character is already having intercourse when they are about to knot someone.

Good point. The implications
create implication imminent_anal_knotting -> imminent_anal
create implication imminent_oral_knotting -> imminent_fellatio
create implication imminent_vaginal_knotting -> imminent_vaginal
should probably be removed since knotting can be imminent while anal/fellatio/vaginal is already happening.

thevileone said:
This BUR also is going to add further inaccuracy to the imminent sex tag. You can already be having sex, when any other additional sexual act is about to happen.

I'm not sure how this is a problem? It's not preventing sex from being tagged. An imminent sexual act is still an imminent sexual act, even if there's also an on-going sexual act.

watsit said:
Good point. The implications
create implication imminent_anal_knotting -> imminent_anal
create implication imminent_oral_knotting -> imminent_fellatio
create implication imminent_vaginal_knotting -> imminent_vaginal
should probably be removed since knotting can be imminent while anal/fellatio/vaginal is already happening.

I'm not sure how this is a problem? It's not preventing sex from being tagged. An imminent sexual act is still an imminent sexual act, even if there's also an on-going sexual act.

That would not be consistent with the wiki for imminent_sex, and would not be what I would personally be looking for if I were searching for such a tag. A sexual act by itself is not a separate sexual encounter. Each interaction between different characters can be treated as separate, but the premise that the same two characters can be both having sex and about to have sex [with each other] at the same time isn't agreeable to me.

thevileone said:
That would not be consistent with the wiki for imminent_sex, and would not be what I would personally be looking for if I were searching for such a tag. A sexual act by itself is not a separate sexual encounter. Each interaction between different characters can be treated as separate, but the premise that the same two characters can be both having sex and about to have sex [with each other] at the same time isn't agreeable to me.

I saw more imminent_sex as some kind of umbrella tag, tbh.

If I'm not missing anything, only the imminent_sex implications are wrong then. What about the current ones ? Shouldn't we remove them ? (imminent_pegging, imminent_strapon_sex, imminent_feeldoe_sex, imminent_tentacle_sex)

Changed my vote to yellow as the logic seems to be consistent now.

haryldson said:
I saw more imminent_sex as some kind of umbrella tag, tbh.

If I'm not missing anything, only the imminent_sex implications are wrong then. What about the current ones ? Shouldn't we remove them ? (imminent_pegging, imminent_strapon_sex, imminent_feeldoe_sex, imminent_tentacle_sex)

- It seems that penetrative sex tags have been deemed relatively low risk for mistagged scenarios. For some reason imminent pegging rarely involves additional sexual acts based on current tagging habits. The tentacle sex tag is another penetrative tag that is unlikely to have additional sexual acts (when they are treated as collectively one entity).

Two of the implications have one result and are related to strapon sex / pegging.

I could be overreacting when it comes to the oral tags, as it is an unlikely exception to have multiple sexual acts at the same time. I am concerned about the treatment of the rape concept as that should technically follow the same usage logic as the sex tag.

Does this mean that a character can be raped and not raped at the same time? (rape + imminent rape)

The other concern I have is that tentacle sex can easily have imminent penetrative acts and penetrative acts in the same scene. It just doesn't seem that useful to directly associate an orifice specific penetrative act as a proper usage towards the imminent sex tag. It creates noise that I'm not sure makes sense.

No orifices penetrated yet. imminent tentacle sex fits well for something like this.

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This one has oral penetration, and a tentaclejob, and about to have anal penetration. This image will now have the imminent tentacle sex off the anal situation even though the character is already sexually interacting with other tentacles in two other ways. It just seems to me that there would be less noise if we don't consider the anal as qualifying towards the imminent sex tag, because this scene overall is far from being a pure before sex scene.

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