I saw a piece of Russia propaganda and was wondering where it is? Normally this site doesn't take sides so I was a bit surprised.

acesteele said:
I saw a piece of Russia propaganda and was wondering where it is? Normally this site doesn't take sides so I was a bit surprised.

If you're talking about post #3203636, it was deleted for being "Literally propaganda". This site is for archiving furry art, not being a vehicle to spread propaganda that happens to have a furry character for an active on-going war.

watsit said:
If you're talking about post #3203636, it was deleted for being "Literally propaganda". This site is for archiving furry art, not being a vehicle to spread propaganda that happens to have a furry character for an active on-going war.

I totally agree, let alone the fact that some people are literally allowed to upload those gross Ben Garrison works or Nazi artwork but then when this topic hits, its somehow different? Like this really opens a can of worms to what the TOS are really are

I'm literally an Iraqi and some people think its cute to draw their sona as a US soldier deployed in Iraq and I'm not going around reporting that stuff. At this point, I just feel like this is about trend rather than politics tbh

barefootslavedragon said:
I totally agree, let alone the fact that some people are literally allowed to upload those gross Ben Garrison works or Nazi artwork but then when this topic hits, its somehow different? Like this really opens a can of worms to what the TOS are really are

I'm literally an Iraqi and some people think its cute to draw their sona as a US soldier deployed in Iraq and I'm not going around reporting that stuff. At this point, I just feel like this is about trend rather than politics tbh

That's not propaganda. Problematic, usually, but not propaganda.

I still take issue with the stated reason, since there are hundreds of images on this site that are propaganda. Heck, I put one up myself just a few months ago, and the site staff had no problem with it. It doesn't have to be in support of any state policy or action to be considered propaganda; it just has to promote an idea. Now, if the stated reason was "Propaganda in support of a war that is a naked act of aggression in violation of the attacking's state own treaties involving numerous war crimes and indiscriminate attacks on civilians," then you would have a point. I mean, sure, you're taking a side in a political issue, but it's not really a terrible side to take. Basically anyone who would have a problem with you making this exception are people you probably don't want to keep around anyway.

Much like the police brutality image, part of the issue is current relevance.

lonelylupine said:
That's not propaganda. Problematic, usually, but not propaganda.

The fact that you don't think it's propaganda shows how effective the propaganda has been.

I approve this for you, comrade:

post #3204211

I would also like to see both sides welcomed in the posts but keep your expectations low. At least pro-war text wall screeds with a furry in the corner will probably get deleted. Possibly depictions of the war under "glorification of a real person's death".

Images like these are fine however:

post #3129874 post #1711876

wat8548 said:
The fact that you don't think it's propaganda shows how effective the propaganda has been.

I can tell the difference between propaganda and not-propaganda. Some of it is, some of it isn't, but assuming that all of it is inherently propaganda by intention says more about you than it says about any particular piece with that theme.

lonelylupine said:
I can tell the difference between propaganda and not-propaganda. Some of it is, some of it isn't, but assuming that all of it is inherently propaganda by intention says more about you than it says about any particular piece with that theme.

Propaganda can still be propaganda even if the person posting it sincerely believes in its message and is doing so of their own free will. And all of the most effective propaganda takes the form of simply presenting something as normal, as opposed to beating you over the head with it like the images in this thread. An example roughly comparable to showing US soldiers in Iraq is Abominable (huh, no posts, apparently) spreading Chinese propaganda about that country's territorial claims.

votp said:
Much like the police brutality image, part of the issue is current relevance.

If an image is unacceptable on specific days, it should be unacceptable on all days.

lenkagetsu said:
If an image is unacceptable on specific days, it should be unacceptable on all days.

If 9/11 had just happened, the ever-beloved "planes fucking the twin towers" gif would have been deleted, too. Staff kinda have a vested interest in avoiding having active issues causing shitstorms on E6. Such a thing is typically negated (or at least greatly lessened) after a few years or, in the case of the "nazi" examples above, nearing eighty.

Honestly, I don't see how furry porn would be used effectively as propaganda, realistically speaking, would you personally support a side simply because you liked/nutted to a drawn titty? That's just my two cents, I don't tend to put much thought when it comes to choking the goose.

barefootslavedragon said:
I totally agree, let alone the fact that some people are literally allowed to upload those gross Ben Garrison works or Nazi artwork but then when this topic hits, its somehow different? Like this really opens a can of worms to what the TOS are really are

I'm literally an Iraqi and some people think its cute to draw their sona as a US soldier deployed in Iraq and I'm not going around reporting that stuff. At this point, I just feel like this is about trend rather than politics tbh

Yup, the mods are not being all that transparent or coherent in what they do. Votp is fucking wrong about current events being an inherent reason to delete certain images. Shitstorms will happen on this site regardless if its about IRL stuff or not.

This topic has been brought up time and time again every time there is a controversial event going on in the world, see topic #26180, topic #27228, topic #26515, topic #32671, etc.
Even my own attempts at trying to find where the exact line is being drawn has been shot down, and no detailed guideline for such content will ever be posted.

Bottom line, the mods reserve the right to delete any artwork for whatever reason they give. It does not matter what you think, even if existing posts contradict their current judgment.

thegreatwolfgang said:
This topic has been brought up time and time again every time there is a controversial event going on in the world, see topic #26180, topic #27228, topic #26515, topic #32671, etc.
Even my own attempts at trying to find where the exact line is being drawn has been shot down, and no detailed guideline for such content will ever be posted.

Bottom line, the mods reserve the right to delete any artwork for whatever reason they give. It does not matter what you think, even if existing posts contradict their current judgment.

they need to pull themselves together. It should NOT depend on how they feel regarding current events! Really and truly, they need to hunker down and have a serious discussion about it.

ywingbass said:
they need to pull themselves together. It should NOT depend on how they feel regarding current events! Really and truly, they need to hunker down and have a serious discussion about it.

Technically, it should since they are the ones responsible for content control.
Something too controversial and you risk getting unwanted attention from outside, and you wouldn't want to end up involving the higher-ups and eventually making things worse.
The essence of what gets hosted on the site is to provide for a "fun and safe environment for all members" and not to stir up unnecessary drama or conflict by including content that will cause strife between members.

votp said:
If 9/11 had just happened, the ever-beloved "planes fucking the twin towers" gif would have been deleted, too. Staff kinda have a vested interest in avoiding having active issues causing shitstorms on E6. Such a thing is typically negated (or at least greatly lessened) after a few years or, in the case of the "nazi" examples above, nearing eighty.

Agreed. There's too much of an emotional charge right now for enough people to think rationally enough. You don't toss gasoline on a raging campfire and expect nobody to complain about getting burnt to death from the resulting wildfire. It's better to to wait until the bonfire has cooled off substantially so the resulting flareup doesn't cause harm.

However, no exact lines nor any detailed guidelines can be defined because conditions change rapidly and no two campfires are alike. Admins require flexibility in judging when one fire can be allowed to burn a little to keep people warm and safely engaged and when it must be stamped out with extreme prejudice.

azero said:
Honestly, I don't see how furry porn would be used effectively as propaganda, realistically speaking, would you personally support a side simply because you liked/nutted to a drawn titty? That's just my two cents, I don't tend to put much thought when it comes to choking the goose.

E621's focus is on quality furry art, of which porn is only a subset. As such, a sizeable proportion of users aren't here to strangle any waterfowl, and of those who are, a goodly number aren't limiting themselves to porn. We are more than our hormones, after all.

clawstripe said:
E621's focus is on quality furry art, of which porn is only a subset. As such, a sizeable proportion of users aren't here to strangle any waterfowl, and of those who are, a goodly number aren't limiting themselves to porn. We are more than our hormones, after all.

I am aware of that, however that's not the point I was trying to make, as I don't know what the image itself looks like, by reading the tags I can assume it was somewhat explicit in nature, my take was rather focusing on how would it be used as propaganda, considering its nature. I just don't see that happening in the real world. Being honest here, this is my first time seeing something being deleted for propaganda reasons, my thinking is that the actual reason seems to be obviously related to the current events.

ywingbass said:
Yup, the mods are not being all that transparent or coherent in what they do. Votp is fucking wrong about current events being an inherent reason to delete certain images. Shitstorms will happen on this site regardless if its about IRL stuff or not.

I'm objectively correct about that being the reason the staff have given in the past for deleting content related to recent events, and the justification they have given for that reason.

Given you've already been warned for ranting about guidelines on other sites, particularly that you can't post about QAnon, Nazis, or theorycraft about Covid on FA, I seriously question your intentions, here.

votp said:
I'm objectively correct about that being the reason the staff have given in the past for deleting content related to recent events, and the justification they have given for that reason.

Given you've already been warned for ranting about guidelines on other sites, particularly that you can't post about QAnon, Nazis, or theorycraft about Covid on FA, I seriously question your intentions, here.

>J-just do what you are told! The mods are always right because they say so. Just OBEY
Website mods are NOT infallible, regardless of how they think of and/or see themselves as. Free speech includes the internet. Yes there are possible limits to free speech, but not all limits are reasonable or done in the best interest of the community. I highly doubt that the current mods at FA actually care about the community that much in earnest. The moderation team there on FA these days are basically goons for Dragooner. I don't trust him, to be honest. Oh, and I know quite well that the 1st amendment doesn't exactly apply to private companies as is. However, big tech, which includes the likes of Meta, Twitter, Apple, Microsoft, and Amazon, are indeed using their influence and power to shut people up via shadow bans, literal bans and in certain cases, permabans/account terminations. They have too much power these days. There is a real difference between a publisher and a platform.

acesteele said:
I saw a piece of Russia propaganda and was wondering where it is? Normally this site doesn't take sides so I was a bit surprised.

Ask yourself why you want Pro Putin Propaganda.

Thats it. Thats this whole thread. This should be locked. The discussion doesnt add anything.

Honestly, REALLY curious, What was it a pic of, If you don't mind me asking?
Had to be pretty bad for it to have this much heat around out, Ya know, Dood

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notkastar said:
Honestly, REALLY curious, What was it a pic of, If you don't mind me asking?
Had to be pretty bad for it to have this much heat around out, Ya know, Dood

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From this artist, looked just like this but shiner. https://e621.net/posts/3109478?q=bns_arts

acesteele said:
From this artist, looked just like this but shiner. https://e621.net/posts/3109478?q=bns_arts

Ah, Gitta Gotta, Dood! Thanks for the info!

Sorry for interrupting the discussion,
I'll be on my way now ╹‿╹)

acesteele said:
From this artist, looked just like this but shiner. https://e621.net/posts/3109478?q=bns_arts

Interesting Indeed.

acesteele said:
From this artist, looked just like this but shiner. https://e621.net/posts/3109478?q=bns_arts

What, was it the same image but with text?

furrin_gok said:
What, was it the same image but with text?

No, it was a uniquely drawn image of that character, or something like that character. It was posed differently, IIRC, with a different background, along with text trying to justify Russia's aggression to invade Ukraine.

wat8548 said:
Propaganda can still be propaganda even if the person posting it sincerely believes in its message and is doing so of their own free will. And all of the most effective propaganda takes the form of simply presenting something as normal, as opposed to beating you over the head with it like the images in this thread. An example roughly comparable to showing US soldiers in Iraq is Abominable (huh, no posts, apparently) spreading Chinese propaganda about that country's territorial claims.

Is it allowed to draw porn of furry characters from games explicitly created as propaganda attacking particular ideologies or ethnicities?

In any case any rules restricting what political material can and cannot be posted would be up to too much interpretation and too easily abused. The site has report functions and blocklists, anyone can tag and blacklist Pro_Ukraine or Anti_Ukraine as they wish and make choices for themselves about what they want to see.