I quite like the penis_size_difference tag, as well as size_difference, big_dom_small_sub, small_sub_big_dom and smaller_penetrated_larger penetrated etc.

I like it when there's a clear difference between the characters fucking, and I also like when expectations are subverted. Most art will naturally assume the person with the big dick is always the top, or that the person with the smaller dick should always be the sub. So I quite enjoy when you come across those exceptions to this, when the person with the big dick actually prefers to be fucked, or when the person with the smaller dick isn't automatically a sub.

However this is really hard to search for right now.
Size_difference only tells you that the partners have different body sizes, the penis_size_difference doesn't tell you if it's the bottom or the top that has a big dick, likewise larger_penetrated/smaller_penetrated/larger_penetrating/smaller_penetrating doesn't differentiate if it's body size or penis size and many people use these interchangeably.

If we added tags for big_dick_sub, small_dick_dom, big_dick_dom, small_dick_sub then this would just make it much easier to search specifically for what you want. Some people want the sub to have a huge dick, some want the dom to have a huge dick, some want both to have huge dicks, some people might even want both to have small dicks. With these tags you would be able to find those images, without having to filter a large amount of images that aren't really what you're looking for.

Part of the issue would be that small_dick_dom/big_dick_sub would only apply in BDSM scenarios (as it's dom/sub play), not merely sex where the "top" has a small penis or the "bottom" has a big penis. The big_dom_small_sub and reverse tag have this problem, of people tagging it on plain old sex that's not non-dom/sub play, which is causing mistags that need cleaning. You'd probably want a more general tag that can apply to regular non-dom/sub sex, but "top" and "bottom" adds its own ambiguity as it can refer to the physical top or bottom, rather than the character penetrating or being penetrated.

watsit said:
Part of the issue would be that small_dick_dom/big_dick_sub would only apply in BDSM scenarios (as it's dom/sub play), not merely sex where the "top" has a small penis or the "bottom" has a big penis. The big_dom_small_sub and reverse tag have this problem, of people tagging it on plain old sex that's not non-dom/sub play, which is causing mistags that need cleaning. You'd probably want a more general tag that can apply to regular non-dom/sub sex, but "top" and "bottom" adds its own ambiguity as it can refer to the physical top or bottom, rather than the character penetrating or being penetrated.

Considering there *is* a big_dom_small_sub tag there is an argument that scale complex domination tags could/should be applicable. Personally I don't see any fault in including something along these lines, not just bdsm related but in who's the dominant/submissive party in general. The site already has a host of much more benign tags, something like this that would categorize conditions that would be pretty hard to find otherwise doesn't seem to unreasonable to me.

versperus said:
Considering there *is* a big_dom_small_sub tag there is an argument that scale complex domination tags could/should be applicable.

In BDSM situations, sure. But it sounds like they also want a more general tag for a character with a smaller dick penetrating, and a character with a bigger dick being penetrated, for cases where dom/sub tags shouldn't be used. Two characters having sex isn't automatically domination/submission, and certainly a character penetrating isn't inherently dominant and a character being penetrated isn't inherently submissive, when it's consensual with no signs of restraint.

I know this is a wild idea, but we could establish the tags big_dick_bottom and small_dick_top :D

dubsthefox said:
I know this is a wild idea, but we could establish the tags big_dick_bottom and small_dick_top :D

Could be easily confused for a character that's literally on the bottom or top, rather than penetrated or penetrating. There are other bottom/top tags that have this confusion, which makes them rather useless since no matter whether a user wants to search for a character literally on top or a character penetrating, they'll include instances of a character on the bottom or being penetrated.

watsit said:
Could be easily confused for a character that's literally on the bottom or top, rather than penetrated or penetrating. There are other bottom/top tags that have this confusion, which makes them rather useless since no matter whether a user wants to search for a character literally on top or a character penetrating, they'll include instances of a character on the bottom or being penetrated.

Positions and roles are always so ambiguous, like, power bottoms exists but posistion wise they can be both. And then there's the opposite, then there's also the case of if bottoms/tops are for who's penetrated/penetrating, or how about frottage and tribadism? It's all so ambiguous, the language of sex is.

watsit said:
In BDSM situations, sure. But it sounds like they also want a more general tag for a character with a smaller dick penetrating, and a character with a bigger dick being penetrated, for cases where dom/sub tags shouldn't be used. Two characters having sex isn't automatically domination/submission, and certainly a character penetrating isn't inherently dominant and a character being penetrated isn't inherently submissive, when it's consensual with no signs of restraint.

This tag is specifically to clarify if the top or the bottom has a small or a big dick, as there is currently no tags that specify when the top has a small dick or the bottom has a big dick. This is a clarification issue, I have no interest in BDSM at all though I'm sure people who do would enjoy having these tags either way as it will make it easier to search both for people who want a particular powerplay, but also for people who just prefers both the top and the bottom to be big dicked, or for those that find small dicks cute.

If we're going to be fuzzy about semantics then perhaps the tags could be named big_dick_top/big_dick_bottom/small_dick_top/small_dick/bottom
Honestly the only reason I prefer the former is because dom/sub is shorter and I don't think many people would care about the distinction between sub/dom and bottom/top.

simski said:
...and I don't think many people would care about the distinction between sub/dom and bottom/top.

You are on thin ice, my friend :P It is really important in my opinion. Having correct tags is the best thing this site can offer.

watsit said:
Could be easily confused for a character that's literally on the bottom or top, rather than penetrated or penetrating. There are other bottom/top tags that have this confusion, which makes them rather useless since no matter whether a user wants to search for a character literally on top or a character penetrating, they'll include instances of a character on the bottom or being penetrated.

I would rather have a tag that's useful to a lot of people that knows how it should be applied than not have a tag because some people don't know how to use it properly. These tags are to make clarification easier and therefor they would be valuable, right now there is absolutely no way to reliably search for art where the bottom/sub has a big dick and the top/dom has a small dick.

We have the distinction for when the bottom/sub has a bigger body, or a smaller body, and we have the distinction for when the top/dom has a smaller or bigger body with the "big_dom_small_sub" and "big_sub_small_dom".
Why shouldn't there be a tag for when the top/dom has a small or big dick, or when the bottom/sub has a big or small dick? This is a thing that some people want to clarify and search for, and right now they can not.

dubsthefox said:
You are on thin ice, my friend :P It is really important in my opinion. Having correct tags is the best thing this site can offer.

If you ask a gay person in real life if they are a top or a bottom, they usually won't answer "well I like laying on top of things even though I like putting things in my ass so I guess I'm a top". People know what a top or a bottom is, and if people are tagging someone laying on top of something as a top rather than a person doing penetration then I would say that's just an issue of a user that don't understand how to use the tags.

Another reason I think it would be better as "big_dick_dom/small_dick_dom" and "big_dick_sub/small_dick_sub" would be because it's just more consistent with the existing "big_dom_small_sub" and "big_sub_small_dom" tags and therefor would probably be easier to find.

I am however fine with the tags being named either way. I just want the tags to exist, so we can more reliably make the distinction.

Am I ADHDing again? You said you'd prefere dom/sub, even though it would be wrong. And people wouldn't care anyway. And I just wanted to say ^{_{(combined with an unnecessary joke)}} that we should use the proper wording.

watsit said:
Part of the issue would be that small_dick_dom/big_dick_sub would only apply in BDSM scenarios (as it's dom/sub play), not merely sex where the "top" has a small penis or the "bottom" has a big penis. The big_dom_small_sub and reverse tag have this problem, of people tagging it on plain old sex that's not non-dom/sub play, which is causing mistags that need cleaning. You'd probably want a more general tag that can apply to regular non-dom/sub sex, but "top" and "bottom" adds its own ambiguity as it can refer to the physical top or bottom, rather than the character penetrating or being penetrated.

That doesn't sound like misstagging at all tbh. If you want the big_dom_small_sub to have a bdsm application, then just add the bdsm tag to your search. I think it's good that this tag isn't too restrictive, right now it's extremely useful for people who want to distinguish if the top or the bottom is the larger one physically. If that tag ONLY applied to bdsm, it would suddenly become significantly less useful.

Then again, I would not be opposed to making a new tag for big_top_small_bottom or big_bottom_small_top. Anything to make things less confusing would obviously be a good thing.

dubsthefox said:
Am I ADHDing again? You said you'd prefere dom/sub, even though it would be wrong. And people wouldn't care anyway. And I just wanted to say ^{_{(combined with an unnecessary joke)}} that we should use the proper wording.

Oh that's fine, I guess it was partially my fault for making an argument directed at another user in my reply to you. Sorry, sometimes I write faster than I think.

But yeah I personally don't care about distinguishing sub/dom from bottom/top, but if you want to create 8 new tags instead of the suggested 4 because of technicalities then that would be fine with me. I just want it to be possible to search for cute boys with big dicks getting dicked by cute boys with smaller dicks, because right now that's not possible to specify with existing tags.

I mean I would be fine with a small_dicked_male_dicking_big_dicked_male as a tag instead if we want to get really specific, that would solve my issue personally. I just thought it would be better to create tags that had a more widespread usage that could also be applied to intersex/herms or male/female etc.

simski said:
I would rather have a tag that's useful to a lot of people that knows how it should be applied than not have a tag because some people don't know how to use it properly.

That's exactly the problem. If a tag is continually misused, or confusingly named that people can and do use it for the opposite of what it was intended for, it needs to be disambiguated for a clearer tag. Various *_domination tags had to be renamed because they were often confused for the opposite of what they were intended for.

simski said:
We have the distinction for when the bottom/sub has a bigger body, or a smaller body, and we have the distinction for when the top/dom has a smaller or bigger body with the "big_dom_small_sub" and "big_sub_small_dom".

You have the distinction for when a sub or dom is bigger/smaller, with those tags. Larger_penetrated and smaller_penetrated are for a "top" or "bottom" being bigger/smaller.

simski said:
If you ask a gay person in real life if they are a top or a bottom, they usually won't answer "well I like laying on top of things even though I like putting things in my ass so I guess I'm a top".

In a real-life conversation, with more complete sentences, you can better distinguish between nouns and adjectives. Tag names like "Top POV" or "big dick top" are more ambiguous regarding their use as a noun/person, or an adjective/property of something, making them much more prone to misuse.

simski said:
That doesn't sound like misstagging at all tbh. If you want the big_dom_small_sub to have a bdsm application, then just add the bdsm tag to your search.

It's in the name. dom - dominance, bdsm - bondage, dominance, sadism, masochism. It is incorrect to use it in instances of normal sex because there's no dom/sub play. Giving dick doesn't automatically make one dominant, and taking dick doesn't automatically make one submissive, and perpetuating that stereotype is just something that annoys the snot out of me.

watsit said:
That's exactly the problem. If a tag is continually misused, or confusingly named that people can and do use it for the opposite of what it was intended for, it needs to be disambiguated for a clearer tag. Various *_domination tags had to be renamed because they were often confused for the opposite of what they were intended for.

In a real-life conversation, with more complete sentences, you can better distinguish between nouns and adjectives. Tag names like "Top POV" or "big dick top" are more ambiguous regarding their use as a noun/person, or an adjective/property of something, making them much more prone to misuse.

It's in the name. dom - dominance, bdsm - bondage, dominance, sadism, masochism. It is incorrect to use it in instances of normal sex because where there's no dom/sub play. Giving dick doesn't automatically make one dominant, and taking dick doesn't automatically make one submissive, and perpetuating that stereotype is just something that annoys the snot out of me.

Fair enough. I personally don't care about the distinction between top/bottom and sub/dom, but I do not mind suggested tags being made more specific for those who do.

You have the distinction for when a sub or dom is bigger/smaller, with those tags. Larger_penetrated and smaller_penetrated are for a "top" or "bottom" being bigger/smaller.

Yeah but those have no distinction for if the larger/smaller one being penetrated has a big or a small dick as this tag is almost always used in the context of body size. Those tags does not specify if it means dicks size or body size, and because they are not specific most people logically only use that tag to specify body size. I want tags that can make this distinction, because right now there is no tags that can specify if the one topping has a smaller dick than the bottom, or if the one topping has a big dick and the bottom has a small dick.

Right now all you can do it put on the penis_size_difference and sift through A LOT of art that is similar to what you are searching for, but still shows you a large number of art that isn't at all what you're looking for. You can not make the distinction, it's not possible to specify with the currently existing tags.

I want new tags that makes it possible to search for art of a submissive person with a big dick being fucked by a person that has a smaller dick. That is something that there does exist enough of that it can warrant its own tag, and yet there is no tag you can use to find only art depicting this. This is a clear subversion of the usual porn depiction of the top always having a bigger dick than the bottom, and yet it is currently not possible to search for art where you do not get search results showing art of both the penetrating person having a big dick and the penetrated having a small dick, from art where the penetrating person has a small dick and the penetrated person has a big dick.

I want tags to be able to make this distinction, because currently there are none.

simski said:
I want new tags that makes it possible to search for art of a submissive person with a big dick being fucked by a person that has a smaller dick.

That's understandable, and I would be open to having tags for that. I'm just saying small_dick_dom/big_dick_sub wouldn't be appropriate for the general (non-BDSM) case, and big_dick_top/big_dick_bottom would be too open to misuse from ambiguous naming. larger_penis_penetrating and smaller_penis_penetrating may be better, but they may also be too ambiguously phrased... I'm not the best when it comes to naming things.

What would you call it to be specific enough that it can create no confusion, and yet for it to be encompassing enough to be used for both male/male, female/male, intersex/male, intersex/intersex, intersex/female?

Personally I think big_dicked_bottom, big_dicked_top, small_dicked_bottom and small_dicked_top creates almost no confusion at all unless you somehow don't know that top/bottom doesn't mean just "on top of an object". So that is what I would go for.

watsit said:
That's understandable, and I would be open to having tags for that. I'm just saying small_dick_dom/big_dick_sub wouldn't be appropriate for the general (non-BDSM) case, and big_dick_top/big_dick_bottom would be too open to misuse from ambiguous naming. larger_penis_penetrating and smaller_penis_penetrating may be better, but they may also be too ambiguously phrased... I'm not the best when it comes to naming things.

I mean the problem with those names is I think people could assume it was a "docking" thing. As in LITERALLY a penis being penetrated by someone else's penis.

simski said:
I mean you clearly understand what I am trying to search for right?
If you don't like my suggested names for the tag, what would you call it to be specific enough that it can create no confusion, and yet for it to be encompassing enough to be used for both male/male, female/male, intersex/male, intersex/intersex, intersex/female?

How would it work for female/male and intersex/female? As I understand it, the purpose is to indicate "the character penetrating has a bigger penis while the character being penetrated has a smaller penis", or "the character penetrating has a smaller penis and the character being penetrated has a bigger penis", so a female couldn't fit into the equation.

simski said:
Personally I think big_dicked_bottom, big_dicked_top, small_dicked_bottom and small_dicked_top creates almost no confusion at all unless you somehow don't know that top/bottom doesn't mean just "on top of an object". So that is what I would go for. If you disagree, I would like suggestions.

We also avoid having "dick"/"dicked" for tags, it should be "penis" instead. Do you have an issue with larger_penis_penetrating and smaller_penis_penetrating?

simski said:
I mean the problem with those names is I think people could assume it was a "docking" thing. As in LITERALLY a penis being penetrated by someone else's penis.

That would be a valid use-case no matter what you call it, since a penis penetrating another penis or sheath is sex. Whether the tag uses "top" or "penetrating", it would apply.

watsit said:
How would it work for female/male and intersex/female? As I understand it, the purpose is to indicate "the character penetrating has a bigger penis while the character being penetrated has a smaller penis", or "the character penetrating has a smaller penis and the character being penetrated has a bigger penis", so a female couldn't fit into the equation.

Because big_dick_top, small_dick_top, small_dick_bottom, small_dick_top could still be applied to male/female and intersex because one of those partners would still be having a dick. I made those tags vague so that they'd be useful together and would have more applications than just for this particular kink. Right now you can't distinguish the penis size of the penetrating or penetrated party, and it would be neat with tags that did.

We also avoid having "dick"/"dicked" for tags, it should be "penis" instead.

Fair enough, I was just being cheeky.

Do you have an issue with larger_penis_penetrating and smaller_penis_penetrating?

Yes. Larger_penis_penetrating and smaller_penis_penetrating could be applied to this very literally
https://e621.net/posts/2304527?q=docking+big_penis
While small big_dick_bottom and small_dick_top would perfectly describe this image
https://e621.net/posts/2406040?q=bowser+big_penis+small_dom_big_sub
And small_dick_bottom and big_dick_bottom would describe this
https://e621.net/posts/2554739?q=manmosu_marimo+cat+dog

watsit said:
How would it work for female/male and intersex/female? As I understand it, the purpose is to indicate "the character penetrating has a bigger penis while the character being penetrated has a smaller penis", or "the character penetrating has a smaller penis and the character being penetrated has a bigger penis", so a female couldn't fit into the equation.

We also avoid having "dick"/"dicked" for tags, it should be "penis" instead. Do you have an issue with larger_penis_penetrating and smaller_penis_penetrating?

That would be a valid use-case no matter what you call it, since a penis penetrating another penis or sheath is sex. Whether the tag uses "top" or "penetrating", it would apply.

I think the problem with it is that it's more confusing and has less general applications than big_penis_top/small_penis_top and big_penis_bottom and small_penis_bottom.
Your suggested tags would technically allow me to search for what I want, but they would be less useful and more prone for confusion how they should be used because they are both overly specific while at the same time being easily confused with an unrelated niche fetish that I have no interest in. My suggested tags could be used both to help me find what I'm looking for, but can be used to specify other art unrelated to this kink.

simski said:
Yes. Larger_penis_penetrating and smaller_penis_penetrating could be applied to this very literally
https://e621.net/posts/2304527?q=docking+big_penis

could, because the character with the smaller penis is penetrating the character with the larger penis, but not larger_penis_penetrating since the larger penis isn't penetrating.

simski said:
While small big_dick_bottom and small_dick_top would perfectly describe this image
https://e621.net/posts/2406040?q=bowser+big_penis+small_dom_big_sub

Actually they wouldn't. The "top" doesn't have a small dick and the "bottom" doesn't have a big dick; penis sizes are relative to the character themself, not relative to their partner (Bowser's penis isn't big for his size, and neither is Wolf's small for his size). That also seems to be what you mean too, as you couldn't use the size relative to their partner's if you're including females and andromorphs (or couldn't otherwise see the partner's penis).

If we're using relative-to-partner sizes, larger_penis_penetrating and smaller_penis_penetrating would be suitable by themselves and you wouldn't include females and andromorphs (nor when you can't make out the penetrated character's penis size). Or if we're going with the relative-to-self size, that example would not be included since the individual penis sizes are normal relative to the individual characters.

simski said:
And small_dick_bottom and big_dick_bottom would describe this
https://e621.net/posts/2554739?q=manmosu_marimo+cat+dog

One or the other. Don't forget we're talking about furries here, where the standard penis size is large. If we're going with standard furry sizes, the "big penis" would be normal and thus not tagged as big (leaving just the normal size one as "small_penis"), or if we're going with a more realistic standard, the "small penis" would be normal and thus not tagged as small (leaving just the big one tagged as "big_penis").

Sure, let's just go with Larger_penis_penetrating and smaller_penis_penetrated. I'm kinda tired of argumenting about this and I suppose they're good enough even if I'd prefer something less weird sounding. Honestly it's better to get something out there so we have something we can use and then we can just change it later if it turns out the name is too confusing.

simski said:
Urgh christ sure, let's just go with Larger_penis_penetrating and smaller_penis_penetrated. I think those sound bad and could easily be confused with docking and doesn't have much usage outside of specifically what I am looking for (and docking), but honestly if they can get the job done and let me out of this tiresome argument about semantics I'm willing to settle. At least I could use those tags and -docking I suppose.

Larger_penis_penetrating and smaller_penis_penetrating. The *_penetrated tags would be implicit by the *_penetrating ones (a character with a smaller penis being penetrated by another necessitates a character with a larger penis doing the penetrating, it can't be one without the other), so you don't need to be concerned about smaller_penis_penetrated being interpreted as the penis itself being penetrated since you would use larger_penis_penetrating instead of that.

watsit said:
Larger_penis_penetrating and smaller_penis_penetrating. The *_penetrated tags would be implicit by the *_penetrating ones (a character with a smaller penis being penetrated by another necessitates a character with a larger penis doing the one penetrating, it can't be one without the other), so you don't need to be concerned about smaller_penis_penetrated being interpreted as the penis itself being penetrated since you would use larger_penis_penetrating instead of that.

Fair enough. I'm kinda drained right now but I might start doing some tagging later.

Honestly these tags aren't sufficient for me to find what I want though.
larger_penis_penetrating and smaller_penis_penetrating only allows me to find size difference sex acts art, which is a thing I enjoy but still doesn't solve what I think is a specification problem that exists on this website. I still won't have an easy time finding art where the sub/bottom has a large penis, or where the dom/top has a big penis (only that one of them does). I still think this is something that would be useful to be able to distinguish. Those tags would have an extremely limited usage only on penetration images.

I'm going back to suggesting the big_penis_dom/big_penis_sub and small_penis_dom/small_penis_sub tags as the more useful tags with more widespread application. They will provide this website with more options to easily specify the physical appearance/relationship and personality of the characters in the image.

I will agree that a bottom/top can be a dom, and that a bottom/top can be a sub. However you can absolutely be a dominant or submissive outside of penetrating, or even sex, and I absolutely disagree that being a dom/sub is only something applicable to BDSM. Being a dom/sub is a both a preference and a personality trait, not just a sex act. So I absolutely believe these tags would have much more widespread usage. Absolutely being a dom/sub applies to bdsm as well, which is why if you want only art of that you add the bdsm tag to your search.

simski said:
Being a dom/sub is a both a preference and a personality trait, not just a sex act.

But we don't tag character preferences or personality traits. We tag what we see, so we need to see a character being dominant/submissive, and that won't be the case for regular sex, even when a character is penetrating/being penetrated with a big/small penis.

watsit said:
But we don't tag character preferences or personality traits. We tag what we see, so we need to see a character being dominant/submissive, and that won't be the case for regular sex, even when a character is penetrating/being penetrated with a big/small penis.

Well here's a simple solution
Every time you see the tags submissive_male, submissive_human, submissive_anthro, submissive, or see a submissive character either penetrating or being penetrated and that character has a penis, take note if the submissive character in that image should have either big_penis_sub or small_penis_sub tagged, or apply neither tag if the submissive character in the picture has an average size penis.
Also do vice versa with dominant males/intersex and the big_penis_dom and small_penis_dub tags.

Here's a simple checklist for how to use the suggested tags properly

>is there a submissive/dominant character present in the image?

If no, do not apply these tags

>does the submissive/dominant character in the image have a visible penis?

If no, do not apply these tags

>does the submissive/dominant character in the image have an atypical penis size compared to what is typically the depicted norm for their species?

If no, do not apply these tags

>is the pictured submissive character's penis size depicted as atypically big?

If yes, apply big_penis_sub tag

>is the pictured submissive character's penis size depicted as atypically small?

If yes, apply small_penis_sub tag

>is the pictured dominant character's penis size depicted as atypically big?

If yes, apply big_penis_dom tag

>is the pictured dominant character's penis size depicted as atypically small?

If yes, apply small_penis_dom tag

Also since we might as well

>does the image depict a character with a dick penetrating another character with a dick?

If no, do not apply these tags

>are any of these dicks bigger than the other?

If no, do not apply these tags

>does the character penetrating have a bigger dick than the one being penetrated

If yes, apply larger_penis_penetratingtag
If no, apply smaller_penis_penetrating tag

There. Now we both get what we want. Not only can I search for my niche kink with your suggested tags, people are able to specify more accurately whether is it the dominant or submissive character in the image that is depicted with either a small or a large penis.