I just wanted to say how I like the fact that Judy Hopps family is actually so big that basically anyone who makes a
rabbit OC and has their last name as Hopps (intentionally) could be considered fan-canon to Judy Hopps' family.
In a way the OCs expand on the Hopps family universe by giving these OCs of the Hopps' family their own lives

or how they interact with Judy or Nick themselves. Some through ASK blogs, Q&As, while the more intriguing ones is of course the comics made.

One comic was a sister who was racist to Foxes
One comic in which an older sister treated Judy as if she was slow or not smart.
While another (my favorite one) was an AU where Judy Hopps died and one of her cousins (way below the family chain) followed in Judy's footsteps and Nick Wilde was in charge of her.

I wish I can link the comics but I forgot their names.

Anyway, I really love the Rabbit OCs being related to the Hopps family. It gives me more immersion.
Right now I'm just looking at this OC named Jackie Hopps (grummancat)

What do you guys think of OCs related to Judy Hopps, specifically her family as a whole?

This sounds alot like how in jojo's "if diavolo dies in it, it's canon" but like more clever. Do we HAVE a confirmed number on how many siblings judy has? Well, i bet it can just keep growing, no matter what it was.

I think all fan fiction is fan fiction.

benjiboyo said:
This sounds alot like how in jojo's "if diavolo dies in it, it's canon" but like more clever. Do we HAVE a confirmed number on how many siblings judy has? Well, i bet it can just keep growing, no matter what it was.

Have you ever seen the BTS scraps of the old Zootopia sketches?
There's one depicting Judy Hopps' family in Bunny Borrow

It could have been a family gathering. So many of them are possibly cousins, excluding Aunts and Uncles, let alone her ACTUAL siblings.
but the number was HUGE. Definitely past the 50s in the pic alone.

versperus said:
I think all fan fiction is fan fiction.

what?

closetpossum said:

what?

There is no such thing as "fan canon"

versperus said:
There is no such thing as "fan canon"

that's not really true and quite opinionated of you to say. A pretty bad take.
There are many examples of fan-canon through numerous multi-media

Adventure Time & Homestuck are two good examples
but that's unrelated to my post. If you just wanted to give your two-cents then consider them delivered.

versperus said:
There is no such thing as "fan canon"

there's stuff that essentially becomes part of the collective headcanon in the wider fan community of stuff, stuff that's widely accepted to be part of cannon but was never actually explicitly stated in the text. (and there's also stuff like SCP which more or less exists entirely within the collective headcanon)

versperus said:
There is no such thing as "fan canon"

darryus said:
there's stuff that essentially becomes part of the collective headcanon in the wider fan community of stuff, stuff that's widely accepted to be part of cannon but was never actually explicitly stated in the text. (and there's also stuff like SCP which more or less exists entirely within the collective headcanon)

Unfortunately, fans can get so emotionally invested in fan canon – fanon – that they forget that it is just fan invention and not anything official. Official sources can easily turn around and contradict fanon any time it wants to. Of course, when it does – Zootopia 2 reveals Judy was the eldest sibling, Zootopia the series reveals Judy is the only girl amongst brothers, and Zootopia: The Next Generation reveals Nick and Judy only stayed friends, never pursuing a romantic or sexual relationship – the fans blow up into an uproar because it's "violating canon". Except it isn't. It's violating established fanon that the fandumb has built up as if it was calling the shots on the franchise, forgetting that the Disney Company has no obligation to follow or acknowledge any fanon and can even willingly contradict it if it so desires (Gadget x Zipper anyone?).

clawstripe said:
Unfortunately, fans can get so emotionally invested in fan canon – fanon – that they forget that it is just fan invention and not anything official. Official sources can easily turn around and contradict fanon any time it wants to. Of course, when it does – Zootopia 2 reveals Judy was the eldest sibling, Zootopia the series reveals Judy is the only girl amongst brothers, and Zootopia: The Next Generation reveals Nick and Judy only stayed friends, never pursuing a romantic or sexual relationship – the fans blow up into an uproar because it's "violating canon". Except it isn't. It's violating established fanon that the fandumb has built up as if it was calling the shots on the franchise, forgetting that the Disney Company has no obligation to follow or acknowledge any fanon and can even willingly contradict it if it so desires (Gadget x Zipper anyone?).

I feel that the problem is more the inverse, honestly. people put too much emotion investment into the official actual canon, it's so easy to just fan-retcon entries of the media that no one likes anyway. we might as well just treat stuff like Other M as if it never existed since no one even cares, and acting like it dosn't exist only improves the experience.

like how people are getting so emotionally invested on Sonic Frontiers turning out good when there's about a half dozen already better Sonic games coming out every year already, just not by SEGA and you don't have to pay for them.

darryus said:
I feel that the problem is more the inverse, honestly. people put too much emotion investment into the official actual canon, it's so easy to just fan-retcon entries of the media that no one likes anyway. we might as well just treat stuff like Other M as if it never existed since no one even cares, and acting like it dosn't exist only improves the experience.

As much as fans may not want to consider something canon, it is still an official thing that has never been disowned. And in the case of "fan canon", no matter how well it may fit in along side official canon, it's still just fan stuff and unofficial. As much as the "wider fan community" may accept something, not everyone will and neither has the franchise owner. Other M is still canon no matter how much fans may not want it to be, just as Victory Fire will never be canon no matter how much fans may want it to be.

It's all fine and dandy for everyone to have their own "head canon", for what they personally consider to be the good/relevant parts of a series, what parts they want to ignore, and any fan works they feel fit well. But unless and until it's acknowledged as canon by the series owner, it's still fan work and not official in any way.

watsit said:
As much as fans may not want to consider something canon, it is still an official thing that has never been disowned. And in the case of "fan canon", no matter how well it may fit in along side official canon, it's still just fan stuff and unofficial. As much as the "wider fan community" may accept something, not everyone will and neither has the franchise owner. Other M is still canon no matter how much fans may not want it to be, just as Victory Fire will never be canon no matter how much fans may want it to be.

It's all fine and dandy for everyone to have their own "head canon", for what they personally consider to be the good/relevant parts of a series, what parts they want to ignore, and any fan works they feel fit well. But unless and until it's acknowledged as canon by the series owner, it's still fan work and not official in any way.

yeah, but why do should we treat official canon like it's special? the only reason that it matters in the general sense is because it's the easiest to point to on what's actually "true" but for a lot of properties even official stuff gets retconned or contradicted all the time, especially with long-running series, so at some point event that's not even true. eventually the only thing that matters is the general consensus.

darryus said:
yeah, but why do should we treat official canon like it's special?

Because...without it, everything else wouldn't exist? Saying X should be canon because Y while not being the maker can and have cause a lot of shit storms. Look at the shippers when their ship wasn't made canon and folks made life threats to the maker. Or lashing out in general when the devs does something they deem as needed. If the fans feel like they should determen what is or isn't canon, or telling what should be done by the owner/devs/writers had gotten out of hand.

darryus said:
yeah, but why do should we treat official canon like it's special? the only reason that it matters in the general sense is because it's the easiest to point to on what's actually "true" but for a lot of properties even official stuff gets retconned or contradicted all the time, especially with long-running series, so at some point event that's not even true. eventually the only thing that matters is the general consensus.

And general consensus is why people put the so much stake in official canon. It's the one thing that's virtually guaranteed to be something everyone in a given fandom is familiar with. It's a universal point of reference.

No matter how popular a given fan work is, it's pretty much impossible to be a fan of a thing without at least being familiar with the thing.

well....this derailed, but not in a bad way still...
I just thought it was cool how people are making siblings and family
members in Judy's family...

darryus said:
yeah, but why do should we treat official canon like it's special?

Technically we don't. We only care about what's official, not what's canon. E.g. the Star Wars Extended Universe is still official Star Wars stuff, even though it's no longer canon, and Extended Universe characters and things get implications to Star Wars and Disney since it's official. But Jackie Hopps isn't official, and no matter how much fans may like them and no matter how well they may fit alongside official canon, is still just a fan character.

Even so, official canon should be treated special because it's official canon. Like LendriMujina said, it's the thing virtually guaranteed to be part of the series' lexicon that the owners have control over. Fan canon is fan work that different people may or may not accept into their headcanon, let alone by aware of, and the series owner doesn't have say over.

lendrimujina said:
And general consensus is why people put the so much stake in official canon. It's the one thing that's virtually guaranteed to be something everyone in a given fandom is familiar with. It's a universal point of reference.

No matter how popular a given fan work is, it's pretty much impossible to be a fan of a thing without at least being familiar with the thing.

yeah, but often that universal point of reference isn't even that universal. even ignoring the hard reboots stuff like long-running comic series have every so often, or what Disney did to StarWars. it's extremely common for series to just ignore or contradict older, less popular, less well-known bits of their past. you can't always just point at official media and say "this is canon" because it's not always.

darryus said:
yeah, but often that universal point of reference isn't even that universal. even ignoring the hard reboots stuff like long-running comic series have every so often, or what Disney did to StarWars. it's extremely common for series to just ignore or contradict older, less popular, less well-known bits of their past. you can't always just point at official media and say "this is canon" because it's not always.

The way I see it, canon is sort of like language. There is always a base everyone looks to, even if that base shifts, evolves, scrambles to incomprehensibility and self-contradiction, etc. And very few people have a complete vocabulary. But it is a base that everyone looks to for the sake of a common background.

Only accepting fanon is in this analogy akin to talking exclusively in slang. Some might still be able to understand you, but it's not something you can rely on.

Similar if you delve too deep into what most people wouldn't be familiar with despite being official (such as limited-run Japan-only CD narratives or something), which would be akin to talking in specialized jargon.

And cases like what Disney did with Star Wars are akin to someone trying to forcefully impose a spelling/grammar reform that proves very unpopular.