I really wanna see what an individual has to say instead of whatever meme or opinion
they heard of but, that's all I've been getting lately. the same thing said through different voices.
Sadly stopped caring about the quality of how they say it when it's still the same thing everybody
else is saying, Dood.

Why not be original?

Edit:

Little bit vague so let me clarify a bit!
Completly talking about creativity here, Dood
╹‿╹)

Art, jokes, and Video games have just been feeling pretty samey.
The only thing changing is how another person presents the same product
like it's a new thing, Dood

Would love to see what an individual can do instead of what they
heard of, but they don't, why don't they?

notkastar said:
I really wanna see what an individual has to say instead of whatever meme or opinion
they heard of but, that's all I've been getting lately. the same thing said through different voices.
Sadly stopped caring about the quality of how they say it when it's still the same thing everybody
else is saying, Dood.

Why not be original?

This is pretty vague and the reasons would change depending on what you're talking about. Is this a veiled thread about something political? Are we talking media? Opinions on media? Art? Music? The philosophical concept of originality?

being original may be good on paper, but a lot of the time, following what other people are saying and doing is safer, when you hear someone say something and they're not being punished for it you usually adopt the same opinion, there are a lot of places in this world where saying or doing something that goes against the majority can get you arrested, imprisoned, beaten, shunned, kidnapped, or even killed. So following the crowd would be the safer choice to survive. Also, some may do it in order to belong, loneliness and solitude can sometimes be more painful so following a crowd, even if you don't agree with them at all, is better than nothing.
thank goodness there's the internet where you can sometimes remain anonymous and find people who aren't afraid to truly speak their minds, but be careful, you might not like what people say when there's no accountability.

but that's just my opinion.

notkastar said:
I really wanna see what an individual has to say instead of whatever meme or opinion
they heard of but, that's all I've been getting lately. the same thing said through different voices.
Sadly stopped caring about the quality of how they say it when it's still the same thing everybody
else is saying, Dood.

Why not be original?

Because originality is a myth.

Look into the background of any "original work" and you'll find all the influences it is cribbing from. "Originality" is really how good you can blend your sources into an unrecognizable slurry.

Cuz it doesn't take a lot of effort and makes it easier to blend with the crowd. Many people like the feeling of belonging to something greater than themselves, humans are social animals after all.

notkastar said:
I really wanna see what an individual has to say instead of whatever meme or opinion
they heard of but, that's all I've been getting lately. the same thing said through different voices.
Sadly stopped caring about the quality of how they say it when it's still the same thing everybody
else is saying, Dood.

Why not be original?

the irony is that this comment is not an original thought

lonelylupine said:
Because originality is a myth.
Look into the background of any "original work" and you'll find all the influences it is cribbing from. "Originality" is really how good you can blend your sources into an unrecognizable slurry.

I get that the use of any here is hyperbolic but I think it's more useful to point out that once you're deep enough to actually find original elements, those elements themselves came from some form of stimuli that could potentially independently process the same way in any number of unconnected people.

strikerman said:
the irony is that this comment is not an original thought

The more New™ thoughts occur, the harder it is to find more of them. There's been a lot of us and it's pretty hard by this point.
But the easiest answer to the thread question is that keeping a thought circulating around is how you keep a stable platform for the rare newer thoughts to be built on.

hungrymaple said:
This is pretty vague and the reasons would change depending on what you're talking about. Is this a veiled thread about something political? Are we talking media? Opinions on media? Art? Music? The philosophical concept of originality?

Don't worry, I mean absolutely nothing political haha! ◠‿◠)
More along the lines of The philosophical concept of originality, Dood
Completely creatively speaking.

Nothing seems to come from one's self anymore, It's always the latest
trend be it Elden ring, T.v shows or a flat-out copy and pasted meme.
Would love to see what an individual can do, but if they don't, why don't they?

neepokra said:
Some may do it in order to belong, loneliness and solitude can sometimes be more painful so following a crowd, even if you don't agree with them at all, is better than nothing.
thank goodness there's the internet where you can sometimes remain anonymous and find people who aren't afraid to truly speak their minds, but be careful, you might not like what people say when there's no accountability.

but that's just my opinion.

Though what's the point in belonging if the person that belongs isn't "You"
Especially on the internet, you shouldn't be afraid to express who you are
or to forge your own path. Sure the current trendy thing is enticing but
let it roll off and find your own voice, ya know, Dood? ╹‿╹)

lonelylupine said:
Because originality is a myth.

Look into the background of any "original work" and you'll find all the influences it is cribbing from. "Originality" is really how good you can blend your sources into an unrecognizable slurry.

We need more of this. What I'm talking about isn't true originality but this!
What I've been seeing is literally this:

post #3426348 | post #3415529 | post #3407661

Same thing different voice
Nothing against the idea, just,
why make the same thing as everyone else when
you can make your own peep, Ya know, Dood? ╹‿╹)

azero said:
Cuz it doesn't take a lot of effort and makes it easier to blend with the crowd. Many people like the feeling of belonging to something greater than themselves, humans are social animals after all.

The crowd is so boring, m8
Completely understand not wanting to stand out and to feel accepted
but are they really willing to spend the rest of their life in the color
grey because everyone else is, Dood?

magnuseffect said:
I get that the use of any here is hyperbolic but I think it's more useful to point out that once you're deep enough to actually find original elements, those elements themselves came from some form of stimuli that could potentially independently process the same way in any number of unconnected people.

The more New™ thoughts occur, the harder it is to find more of them. There's been a lot of us and it's pretty hard by this point.
But the easiest answer to the thread question is that keeping a thought circulating around is how you keep a stable platform for the rare newer thoughts to be built on.

Definity Dood, Orginal for you may be a thought from a peep you never met and may have been provoked by a third party altogether.

and Really wish that wasn't the case and feel like it wouldn't be if peeps were making what's on the mind rather than what everyone else is making.
Dropping the platform and build one from scratch sounds like the much funnier option, ya know, Dood ╹‿╹)

notkastar said:
Art, jokes, and Video games have just been feeling pretty samey.
The only thing changing is how another person presents the same product
like it's a new thing, Dood

Would love to see what an individual can do instead of what they
heard of, but if they don't, why don't they?

Sounds like a personal issue, to be honest. Some folks like the same thing, the thing they enjoy and want to repeat such. Even if someone does something new, doesn't mean anyone would like it or even notice. Just because you do something new, doesn't mean folks would like it or understand it.

Along with art and video games in this case, putting all that work into something that no one or little to none folks would be into make folks not want to do that thing again. Along with the fact even TRYING to do such is akin to trying to find a rare, never seen before animal/plant. The reason folks do the same thing, or say the same joke is simple: Folks want things to relate to. Sure, a rich person can make rich person jokes that only comes around when you're rich, but most folks won't get it or care about it. More so when it deals with X00,000+ range. So, unless you can make things that everyone can understand, the common factor is the main things folks want and understand.

Hope this help, Moogle.

notkastar said:
We need more of this. What I'm talking about isn't true originality but this!
What I've been seeing is literally this:

post #3426348 | post #3415529 | post #3407661

Same thing different voice
Nothing against the idea, just,
why make the same thing as everyone else when
you can make your own peep, Ya know, Dood? ╹‿╹)

Oh, in that case, attention seeking. People just want to see what they've seen before. No, I don't really get it, because like you said, it's boring, but that's how people are.

Speaking as someone who has spent a couple decades trying to build an audience with only OCs, it is really damn hard.

neepokra said:
being original may be good on paper, but a lot of the time, following what other people are saying and doing is safer, when you hear someone say something and they're not being punished for it you usually adopt the same opinion, there are a lot of places in this world where saying or doing something that goes against the majority can get you arrested, imprisoned, beaten, shunned, kidnapped, or even killed. So following the crowd would be the safer choice to survive. Also, some may do it in order to belong, loneliness and solitude can sometimes be more painful so following a crowd, even if you don't agree with them at all, is better than nothing.
thank goodness there's the internet where you can sometimes remain anonymous and find people who aren't afraid to truly speak their minds, but be careful, you might not like what people say when there's no accountability.

but that's just my opinion.

Not just that but it's really hard to be original nowadays. If you try to do something "new" chances are someone you never knew did it already.
In regards to art, same case. Every other pose and idea has been done under the sun.

notkastar said:
We need more of this. What I'm talking about isn't true originality but this!
What I've been seeing is literally this:

post #3426348 | post #3415529 | post #3407661

Same thing different voice
Nothing against the idea, just,
why make the same thing as everyone else when
you can make your own peep, Ya know, Dood? ╹‿╹)

You're literally asking why multiple people draw the same character? You're literally asking why fan art exists?

...because maybe... just maybe, and bear with me here... maybe they like the freaking character.

I know, such a hot take that it makes hellfire feel like absolute zero. Why would people want to draw characters they like? Such an absurd thought!

A lot of people use their blacklists to block out franchises and characters they don't like. I suggest you do the same.

the_shinx said:
Sounds like a personal issue, to be honest. Some folks like the same thing, the thing they enjoy and want to repeat such. Even if someone does something new, doesn't mean anyone would like it or even notice. Just because you do something new, doesn't mean folks would like it or understand it.

Along with art and video games in this case, putting all that work into something that no one or little to none folks would be into make folks not want to do that thing again. Along with the fact even TRYING to do such is akin to trying to find a rare, never seen before animal/plant. The reason folks do the same thing, or say the same joke is simple: Folks want things to relate to. Sure, a rich person can make rich person jokes that only comes around when you're rich, but most folks won't get it or care about it. More so when it deals with X00,000+ range. So, unless you can make things that everyone can understand, the common factor is the main things folks want and understand.

Hope this help, Moogle.

You hit the nail on the head, good sir, And goes into another point of mine I made up there at some point.
╹‿╹)

That just because something is hard or probably won't work out shouldn't be the reason to give up before
you even try! The peeps want something relatable, Why not the struggle to invent something from nothing
instead if just saying what the guy next to you said, Dood!

Come on, if artists themselves are afraid of taking chances then who will?
Innovation is built by the brave and willing and I truly believe that if they were
to take that chance they'd have just as much of a chance of becoming the next
Scott or Tobyfox as of failing. And there's nothing wrong will failing either,
it's because of those failers you'd become a stronger peep and creator.
What's there to learn from playing it safe? That the safe is safe?
Yes but it's white noise, Flat and doesn't spark, ya know?

Nothing against the norm, but do you really wanna keep going
with it without challenging anything about it, Dood?

lonelylupine said:
Oh, in that case, attention seeking. People just want to see what they've seen before. No, I don't really get it, because like you said, it's boring, but that's how people are.

Speaking as someone who has spent a couple decades trying to build an audience with only OCs, it is really damn hard.

I really hope that's not the case, Dood
Wouldn't you get tired of seeing the same thing day in and day out?
Just peeps trend-chasing to have their voice ring out above the others,
Even though there saying the exact same thing as the others, in unison.

And same, Been making a name for Max and Zatch ever since I
started doodling, Gotta have fun with the prossess of making your
own character, your own themes, Your own world! And let peeps
come naturally attracted to the amount of fun your having, Dood
╹‿╹)

lendrimujina said:
You're literally asking why multiple people draw the same character? You're literally asking why fan art exists?

...because maybe... just maybe, and bear with me here... maybe they like the freaking character.

I know, such a hot take that it makes hellfire feel like absolute zero. Why would people want to draw characters they like? Such an absurd thought!

A lot of people use their blacklists to block out franchises and characters they don't like. I suggest you do the same.

Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, No need to get so spiced over little ol' me, m8!
Though I am flattered you got this passionate I gotta clarify,
This has nothing to do with Blacklisting or Fan art, Dood ╹‿╹)

I'm-

notkastar said:
Completly talking about creativity here, Dood
╹‿╹)

Art, jokes, and Video games have just been feeling pretty samey.
The only thing changing is how another person presents the same product
like it's a new thing, Dood

Would love to see what an individual can do instead of what they
heard of, but they don't, why don't they?

Never said fan art is off the table, More so that
It's been feeling like peeps have been doing it to
fit in, to follow the latest trend, meme, or what have
you to be a part of the crowd. Like there doing it so I
should too; instead of straying from the line and trying
something new. I'm asking why is that, Why follow
the trend instead of forging your own path, Dood.
╹‿╹)

notkastar said:
I really hope that's not the case, Dood
Wouldn't you get tired of seeing the same thing day in and day out?

Well I would, but I'm a minority in that fashion.

It's easier to seek what already exists in copious amounts, so as an artist you might feel pressed to piss in the sea of piss in hopes your work will find more eyes. While many say "they just like the character/etc" they often don't feel one way or another about it and just draw the character to gain the interests of those who do. The more interest you garner is the higher likelihood that someone will like your work enough to support it, and especially now with a lot of online artists losing their financial support on places like Patreon *coughsamecough* that desperation might push them further into that territory. Original content is harder to get people interested in unless you already have a massive fanbase because nobody will know about it, and certainly not enough people to search for it and thus want to support it.

...Which is a shame, really.

notkastar said:
Completly talking about creativity here, Dood
╹‿╹)

Art, jokes, and Video games have just been feeling pretty samey.
The only thing changing is how another person presents the same product
like it's a new thing, Dood

"Like it's a new thing"? I don't think someone would draw
post #3426348
and present it as if they're doing something totally original.

People tend to make what they like (or make what other people like), and since popular things are by definition things a lot of people like, you'll end up with many similar works. People can't be "original" all the time, because study and practice often include working with similar (if not the same) subjects. People generally improve by doing something similar as before, just slightly better, and there's only so many ways to present the same idea. The more "original" works are fewer and farther between, after they've worked on and built up an idea (and even then, the "original" works may just be derived from things they've done before, just a more refined/completed versions of things others largely didn't see). As I've seen it said, the key to originality is hiding your sources. It's not something an artist needs to do all the time (or even most of the time), and even of the more "original" works, viewers will tend to find the inspirations of it and realize it's not as original as they may have first felt upon seeing it.

notkastar said:
Wouldn't you get tired of seeing the same thing day in and day out?

That's what variety is for, which is a separate thing from "originality". Like evolution, people can start with a common idea, and over time different people modify it in different ways based on what they like, so after a sufficient period of time, you end up with very different things. The end result didn't pop out completely formed as an original thought, it was a modification of a modification of a modification ... that at some point people realized how different it is now from other things.

lonelylupine said:
Well I would, but I'm a minority in that fashion.

And Finding out so am I, Dood
but that's o.k, ya know? ╹‿╹)

gotta have peeps rocking the boat
to know if we even need it or if we'll
be better off jumping off and swimming,
Dood

ratte said:
It's easier to seek what already exists in copious amounts, so as an artist you might feel pressed to piss in the sea of piss in hopes your work will find more eyes. While many say "they just like the character/etc" they often don't feel one way or another about it and just draw the character to gain the interests of those who do. The more interest you garner is the higher likelihood that someone will like your work enough to support it, and especially now with a lot of online artists losing their financial support on places like Patreon *coughsamecough* that desperation might push them further into that territory. Original content is harder to get people interested in unless you already have a massive fanbase because nobody will know about it, and certainly not enough people to search for it and thus want to support it.

...Which is a shame, really.

I'd say, and it's more of a shame that giving in to the tide for the eyes isn't even guaranteed to work since so many more
are doing the exact same thing for the same result. Worst yet, Drawing for the sake of eyes hollows yourself out artistically,
Taking what you have, what you make, and throwing it aside for the next trend to take the last trend's place, Dood.

I understand that financial support is important for us to even keep going but...

Is this it?

Is being an online artist or artist in general not about the voice or spark
you have but being able to repackage a product in a new way?
Commercializing your style so others would want to buy you like
cereal from a store, Dood?

watsit said:
"Like it's a new thing"? I don't think someone would draw
post #3426348
and present it as if they're doing something totally original.

People tend to make what they like (or make what other people like), and since popular things are by definition things a lot of people like, you'll end up with many similar works. People can't be "original" all the time, because study and practice often include working with similar (if not the same) subjects. People generally improve by doing something similar as before, just slightly better, and there's only so many ways to present the same idea. The more "original" works are fewer and farther between, after they've worked on and built up an idea (and even then, the "original" works may just be derived from things they've done before, just a more refined/completed versions of things others largely didn't see). As I've seen it said, the key to originality is hiding your sources. It's not something an artist needs to do all the time (or even most of the time), and even of the more "original" works, viewers will tend to find the inspirations of it and realize it's not as original as they may have first felt upon seeing it.

That's what variety is for, which is a separate thing from "originality". Like evolution, people can start with a common idea, and over time different people modify it in different ways based on what they like, so after a sufficient period of time, you end up with very different things. The end result didn't pop out completely formed as an original thought, it was a modification of a modification of a modification ... that at some point people realized how different it is now from other things.

I am talking about originality, m8 ╹‿╹)
Variety is the illusion of originality, A choice between A or B is still a choice, One or the other.
I'm talking about breaking the cage and exploring any direction, Using the freedom that art
allows to make my own choice and letter out of nothing, ya know, Dood?

You are absolutely right that originality is based on the culmination of dozens of sources
and that you gotta practice your craft to master it. That's why trends are the enemy of this
idea! Trends are one and done single source dead ends. There's no going back to them
or practicing them less you get made fun of for "still memeing on the same thing".
You do it once and you move on and while you do gain growth from the exp,
You could get so much more with content that came from you!

You're not one and done, You're a building that's constantly creating and crafting.
You can come back to it as many times as you want to without negative repo, Dood!
Focusing on content from you will help you leagues better than doing a one-and-done meme, ya know?
╹‿╹)

notkastar said:
I am talking about originality, m8 ╹‿╹)
Variety is the illusion of originality, A choice between A or B is still a choice, One or the other.
I'm talking about breaking the cage and exploring any direction, Using the freedom that art
allows to make my own choice and letter out of nothing, ya know, Dood?

And as I said, you can't just "break the cage and explore any direction". What direction? Why? How? Creative endeavors aren't something you just do, you need to have some idea of what you want to do, which itself is typically based on some preexisting thing you saw that you've changed and refined over time, and you have to study and practice, which will result in doing similar things to get better at. You won't get good at drawing humans if you just draw whatever random thought comes to mind at whatever random time; you need to practice drawing humans, which will necessarily mean making a lot of unoriginal gestures and poses to learn and find your technique. I know plenty of artists and developers that have said they got into their field because they had an idea they hadn't seen done and they wanted to do, but held off on doing it because they knew they wouldn't be able to do their idea justice given their current skill level. They needed to work on more basic stuff first to learn and get used to that kind of work (and in some cases, that "original idea" may rely on different disciplines beyond just art, and they may struggle a lot with that other non-art stuff). Some people have their idea, and knowing they wouldn't be able to pull it off as-is with their current abilities, may incorporate various bits of that idea into various smaller projects that they are able to do, so by the time they can do that original idea in full, it doesn't look original given what they've already done. Like any skill, it's also something you need to keep on top of and do regularly even when you don't have something specific in mind. Or if you know your next big project will take some time to complete, but you need to keep your skills sharp by having smaller projects stuff in the middle of the big one. There is much more to being creative than the final product, it requires a lot of smaller basic steps along the way and in between.

And this all also depends on the reason why someone wants to get into some creative field. Some people don't care at all about being original, and just want to make more of the things they like, in their own way. They may want to explore, for example, their sexuality through art; something many if not most artists do, and you won't find much originality of thought there (even if you end up exploring some outlandish things, it's almost certain someone else has explored those same ideas). Some people may get an idea to do something they feel is unique, only to find out later that other people have done similar things and there's even an entire fandom around that idea. Some people may want to make things that make other people happy, which will necessarily include doing the popular thing that others have done before too.

Variety isn't an illusion of originality, it is a completely different thing. It is a choice of different things that you can pick at will, to avoid staying on the same thing in perpetuity. If you don't feel like drawing pokemon today, you can draw normal anthros, or feral monsters, or humans, or landscapes, or whatever else tickles your fancy. None of these are original, but they're different. Originality, in contrast, is an illusion; it is a mixture of preexisting ideas that viewers see as a single unique idea instead of the individual preexisting ideas it is actually composed of.

notkastar said:
You are absolutely right that originality is based on the culmination of dozens of sources
and that you gotta practice your craft to master it. That's why trends are the enemy of this
idea!

On the contrary, anything that motivates someone to practice, or from which an idea is seeded, is not an enemy. A meme, a trend, a popular character or concept, anything can be the source from which something grander is built. You can never know what will click for someone to motivate them, and it will rely on a lot of trial and error.

watsit said:
People tend to make what they like (or make what other people like), and since popular things are by definition things a lot of people like, you'll end up with many similar works. People can't be "original" all the time, because study and practice often include working with similar (if not the same) subjects. People generally improve by doing something similar as before, just slightly better, and there's only so many ways to present the same idea. The more "original" works are fewer and farther between, after they've worked on and built up an idea (and even then, the "original" works may just be derived from things they've done before, just a more refined/completed versions of things others largely didn't see). As I've seen it said, the key to originality is hiding your sources. It's not something an artist needs to do all the time (or even most of the time), and even of the more "original" works, viewers will tend to find the inspirations of it and realize it's not as original as they may have first felt upon seeing it.

In addition to your point about improving through iteration, there is also a factor where 'refining technique' (ie. craft) tends to dominate 'picking a good thing to make' ie. design / art direction. This is because technique is a more concrete thing, it's relatively easy to evaluate your gains.

If you are copying most of the concept work from someone who has better design skills, it's also relatively easy to present the illusion that you are more competent than you really are.

I'm here wondering why do you talk like a Prinny.

watsit said:

On the contrary, anything that motivates someone to practice, or from which an idea is seeded, is not an enemy. A meme, a trend, a popular character or concept, anything can be the source from which something grander is built. You can never know what will click for someone to motivate them, and it will rely on a lot of trial and error.

And that's just it, Dood

I am talking about originality, m8 ╹‿╹)
Trends are one and done single source dead ends. There's no going back to them
or practicing them less you get made fun of for "still memeing on the same thing".
You do it once and you move on and while you do gain growth from the exp,
You could get so much more with content that came from you!

You're not one and done, You're a building that's constantly creating and crafting.
You can come back to it as many times as you want to without negative repo, Dood!
Focusing on content from you will help you leagues better than doing a one-and-done meme, ya know?
╹‿╹)

And yes it motivates someone to practice, that is a great thing and is exactly what I mean.
It motivates them to tackle things outside the trend, Leaving the trend in the dust
and never coming back to it. In that case, you'd be better off focusing on the content
you're doing this practice for, instead of what the latest trend happens to be, Dood

Just like you said above, If they wanna do human, do human,
Wanna do anthro, Do anthro. Don't take time away to follow trends
putting your own plans on hold for the sake of doing what
everyone else is doing, Dood.

And if the reason you practice is for the happiness of
others, That makes me question if they're drawing for attention.
And if they don't get it will they drop it because no one's
looking anymore? Not that that's bad, just makes me
wonder, ya know, Dood?

watsit said:
And as I said, you can't just "break the cage and explore any direction". What direction? Why? How? Creative endeavors aren't something you just do, you need to have some idea of what you want to do, which itself is typically based on some preexisting thing you saw that you've changed and refined over time, and you have to study and practice, which will result in doing similar things to get better at. You won't get good at drawing humans if you just draw whatever random thought comes to mind at whatever random time; you need to practice drawing humans, which will necessarily mean making a lot of unoriginal gestures and poses to learn and find your technique. I know plenty of artists and developers that have said they got into their field because they had an idea they hadn't seen done and they wanted to do, but held off on doing it because they knew they wouldn't be able to do their idea justice given their current skill level. They needed to work on more basic stuff first to learn and get used to that kind of work (and in some cases, that "original idea" may rely on different disciplines beyond just art, and they may struggle a lot with that other non-art stuff). Some people have their idea, and knowing they wouldn't be able to pull it off as-is with their current abilities, may incorporate various bits of that idea into various smaller projects that they are able to do, so by the time they can do that original idea in full, it doesn't look original given what they've already done. Like any skill, it's also something you need to keep on top of and do regularly even when you don't have something specific in mind. Or if you know your next big project will take some time to complete, but you need to keep your skills sharp by having smaller projects stuff in the middle of the big one. There is much more to being creative than the final product, it requires a lot of smaller basic steps along the way and in between.

Creativity is a lot looser than the way you're describing it, Creativity is just the will to create. ◠‿◠)
What direction? - Anywhere, Make a path only you can follow on this blank slate of a canvas!
Why? - Because you can.
How? - Ask yourself, "What do you want to do" and act on it!
Take it from an artist who's been documenting each thing they've learned from tackling
each one of their doodles. Art is ╹‿╹)

And m8, I have nothing against a peep practicing their fundamentals, That's awesome!
My point is why not practice them instead of hopping onto the latest trendy pose or character
when you can be making that content instead. What I mean by original here is content
from "You", not the trendy thing to do. Sure what you make may not be definition original but
it's from you with makes it original in the sense that it's flowing against the crowd, ya know, Dood?
╹‿╹)

watsit said:
And this all also depends on the reason why someone wants to get into some creative field. Some people don't care at all about being original, and just want to make more of the things they like, in their own way. They may want to explore, for example, their sexuality through art; something many if not most artists do, and you won't find much originality of thought there (even if you end up exploring some outlandish things, it's almost certain someone else has explored those same ideas). Some people may get an idea to do something they feel is unique, only to find out later that other people have done similar things and there's even an entire fandom around that idea. Some people may want to make things that make other people happy, which will necessarily include doing the popular thing that others have done before too.

m8, That stuff is original, It's from them. ◠‿╹)~★
Not the trendy thing they heard of but something they like and
wanted to see more of! Better yet, as you said, they're exploring
their own feelings through the art and it's downright radical when
you can find other like-minded people through it, Dood

I think there was a misunderstanding, All of these are amazing things to do,
and things I mean when I talk about originality. It came from you in the sense
that it's not like something like the Jack-o pose or the latest anthro from
a video game, It's original, Not variety but original, Dood! ◠‿◠)~★

watsit said:
Variety isn't an illusion of originality, it is a completely different thing. It is a choice of different things that you can pick at will, to avoid staying on the same thing in perpetuity. If you don't feel like drawing pokemon today, you can draw normal anthros, or feral monsters, or humans, or landscapes, or whatever else tickles your fancy. None of these are original, but they're different. Originality, in contrast, is an illusion; it is a mixture of preexisting ideas that viewers see as a single unique idea instead of the individual preexisting ideas it is actually composed of.

Eh, I guess we won't see eye to eye on this one, And that's o.k m8
We just have different ways of tackling a topic like creativity/originality/verity, Dood ╹‿╹)

blitzdrachin said:
I'm here wondering why do you talk like a Prinny.

=‿=)

notkastar said:
I am talking about originality, m8 ╹‿╹)
Variety is the illusion of originality, A choice between A or B is still a choice, One or the other.
I'm talking about breaking the cage and exploring any direction, Using the freedom that art
allows to make my own choice and letter out of nothing, ya know, Dood?

You are absolutely right that originality is based on the culmination of dozens of sources
and that you gotta practice your craft to master it. That's why trends are the enemy of this
idea! Trends are one and done single source dead ends. There's no going back to them
or practicing them less you get made fun of for "still memeing on the same thing".
You do it once and you move on and while you do gain growth from the exp,
You could get so much more with content that came from you!

You're not one and done, You're a building that's constantly creating and crafting.
You can come back to it as many times as you want to without negative repo, Dood!
Focusing on content from you will help you leagues better than doing a one-and-done meme, ya know?
╹‿╹)

Please give us a example of an original idea, by your standard.

There hasn't yet been any concrete definition of what you want in terms of "originality", besides your feeling that there's a lack of it, flowery praise of the concept, and what isn't original.

There is no such thing as originality. Idk what you're not understanding. Not even old-timey artists were original and did similar shit all the time.

You're not making sense dude, speaking as an artist who literally tries to be original all the time and fail because a lot of people have done stuff I already did, literally just stop.

hungrymaple said:
Please give us a example of an original idea, by your standard.

There hasn't yet been any concrete definition of what you want in terms of "originality", besides your feeling that there's a lack of it, flowery praise of the concept, and what isn't original.

You make a solid point, Dood ◠‿◠)
O.k, originality, would be something that came from you.
More strictly speaking, talking about the combination of the varying sources
and personal feelings compressed into a single pic.
It could take the form of Fan art, OCs, and general doodles.

What I'm worried about is trends, Something that
didn't come from you but is just the latest craze making its rounds.
Strictly speaking, it's not the culmination of ideas, It's just a single
source "What everybody else is doing right now" phenomenon.
The Jack-o pose is a great example of this, while every artist has
there own spin on it, it's still the same thing at its core and only
gain traction since it's "What everybody else is doing right now"
it was the trendy thing to do, Dood.

The thread question is,
"why follow those trends instead of making their own combination content"
Strictly speaking: Why follow the crowd, Why conform, Why do what everyone else is doing in the moment
instead of going for that culmination of ideas you have and love, Dood?

Give me a heads up if you need me to clarify some more,
I'll be happy to help wherever I can, Dood ╹‿╹)

jayfiregrowlithe said:
There is no such thing as originality. Idk what you're not understanding. Not even old-timey artists were original and did similar shit all the time.

You're not making sense dude, speaking as an artist who literally tries to be original all the time and fail because a lot of people have done stuff I already did, literally just stop.

Awesome Same here! ◠‿◠)
Gave up the trendy life a while back ago, Dood
post #1691630

And this is what I mean, I'm not asking someone to come up with a new shape or color.
Just wanna know why they follow Trends like The hoodie and Briefs one and Jack-o pose.
They lack the same kind of creative/originality, a piece from personal piece from them has.
(Which is the reason I gave it up on my end, But wanna know why other don't, ya know?)

Like comparing this to this, Detail, and quality aside, One is clearly more creative than the other.
post #1691630/post #3412923

And
m8, You are original, Checked out your gallery and didn't see one pic trying to do the trendy thing
at that time, Dood.╹‿╹)

notkastar said:
You make a solid point, Dood ◠‿◠)
O.k, originality, would be something that came from you.
More strictly speaking, talking about the combination of the varying sources
and personal feelings compressed into a single pic.
It could take the form of Fan art, OCs, and general doodles.

How wouldn't these apply then?
post #3426348 post #3415529 post #3407661
The artists had a desire to make those images, they wanted to make images like that and put work and effort into making their vision a reality. Is it Seyrmo's fault that Nexus and Vitashi had a similar desire?

notkastar said:
What I'm worried about is trends, Something that
didn't come from you but is just the latest craze making its rounds.

Trends are a result of many people want the same thing. Just because other people want to do the same thing doesn't mean you don't honestly want it yourself.

notkastar said:
Gave up the trendy life a while back ago, Dood

But it's trendy to not follow trends.

notkastar said:
Awesome Same here! ◠‿◠)
Gave up the trendy life a while back ago, Dood

Smells like Starbucks

watsit said:
How wouldn't these apply then?
post #3426348 post #3415529 post #3407661
The artists had a desire to make those images, they wanted to make images like that and put work and effort into making their vision a reality. Is it Seyrmo's fault that Nexus and Vitashi had a similar desire?

The issue I take is the sudden surge of one thing and the inherent lack of originally that comes from it.
I have no issue with one particular artist or another. If you like the character by all means do what you love!
Just saying the surge could prompt other artists to draw said character or copy said trend not for the joy or love
of that particular thing but, from what it sounds like, to have more eyes on their work since everyone else is doing
it and looking for it at the moment, Dood

Nothing against the trend itself but, Thanks to this thread I could see how a lot of artists could feel the pressure
to conform for the sake of others' literal views. And I'm still wondering if it's worth in the long run giving in
to the flow, Ya know, Dood?

watsit said:
Trends are a result of many people want the same thing. Just because other people want to do the same thing doesn't mean you don't honestly want it yourself.

Are you saying I want it without knowing it?
Terribly Sorry, a bit lost on that one.

watsit said:
But it's trendy to not follow trends.

Sorry m8, My head won't explode from that divide by Zero.
=‿=)

When you ask that I'd have to reply with everything is a trend,
With that in mind, there are levels to trending in that case.
It isn't just a [0 or 1 = Trend] or Not a trend and is a trend.
things/highly specific actions are trendier than others, Dood

There's a wall of text that comes after that kinda reply so
summed it up-

Peeps doing one highly specific action at once repeatedly is a trend
(Ex. Briefs and hoodie, Jack-o pose and so on)

Peeps doing non-specific actions now and again at random isn't a trend
(Ex. Everything else pretty much)

blitzdrachin said:
Smells like Starbucks

Huh, Thanks!
Love the smell of a
mocha cappuccino myself, Dood ╹‿╹)

notkastar said:
Huh, Thanks!
Love the smell of a
mocha cappuccino myself, Dood ╹‿╹)

Pretty sure you're being (derogatorily) called a hipster for overemphasising your aversion to trends. Which is in line with what Watsit was getting at when they pointed out that trend aversion is a trend.
Really the only winning move here is to not care so much.

Also can you stop calling people 'dood' in ever single comment. Seriously.

jayfiregrowlithe said:
Also can you stop calling people 'dood' in ever single comment. Seriously.

i respectfully disagree. i find it quite endearing

though to give my two cents, i don't really think jumping in on a trend necessarily means forsaking one's originality at all.
sure, you may feel like you're just cashing out on whatever's popular at the time, but because you yourself are doing it, you're subconsciously putting your own style, your own way of looking at it, a whole lot of yourself into whatever the trend is. you're showing everyone what you think and maybe even how you think. for artists, it would be things like artstyle, subtle details, things like that.

of course, since you yourself are the artist, you should decide whether or not you draw something trendy. don't let what's popular right now be the sole factor in your art. i know it's harder said than done, but if you want to draw it, then draw it.

when you really think about it, is "not being original" really such a bad thing? no one is 100% original. movies, tv, any form of media, even things like architecture or the sciences or whatever! they all use what came before as reference, and all of them are still advancing. any and all progress that we make will be used by someone in the future for their interpretation of a literary work or whether or not some substance is harmful to humans or some similar scenario. but that's not so bad, is it? it's because we're not original that we are able to learn from our past mistakes and grow as people. it's because we're not original that we're able to find people that we relate to and make friends.
most all of us on this site like anthropomorphic creatures. in comparison to each other, we are unoriginal. but if that means we can come together over art and contribute to something potentially greater than ourselves, then i'm okay with being unoriginal.

magnuseffect said:
Pretty sure you're being (derogatorily) called a hipster for overemphasising your aversion to trends. Which is in line with what Watsit was getting at when they pointed out that trend aversion is a trend.
Really the only winning move here is to not care so much.

Aaaaah~ I see, Dood ◠‿◠)

Hahaha, Thanks for the heads up, Dood~!
And Your absolutely right btw! Besides, been called worst in more direct ways tbh
Why should this one change my outlook if the others haven't?
╹‿╹)

jayfiregrowlithe said:
Also can you stop calling people 'dood' in ever single comment. Seriously.

Thanks for the suggestion!
╹‿╹)
but Nah, Dood.

garfieldfromgarfield said:
though to give my two cents, i don't really think jumping in on a trend necessarily means forsaking one's originality at all.
sure, you may feel like you're just cashing out on whatever's popular at the time, but because you yourself are doing it, you're subconsciously putting your own style, your own way of looking at it, a whole lot of yourself into whatever the trend is. you're showing everyone what you think and maybe even how you think. for artists, it would be things like artstyle, subtle details, things like that.

Perfectly understand agree on every level, If you feel like
tackling the work, By all means. Trendy or not, Do it only
if you want to, Dood.
╹‿╹)

garfieldfromgarfield said:
of course, since you yourself are the artist, you should decide whether or not you draw something trendy. don't let what's popular right now be the sole factor in your art. i know it's harder said than done, but if you want to draw it, then draw it.

I. Freakin. Love You!

This has been my whole point, I've been worried that more times than
not peeps aren't drawing because they like the character but, because
it's what's trending right now and they feel like they have to.

Was wondering for peeps in the scenario why not just tackle something
you want to do instead of following the crowd, Dood.
╹‿╹)

garfieldfromgarfield said:
when you really think about it, is "not being original" really such a bad thing? no one is 100% original. movies, tv, any form of media, even things like architecture or the sciences or whatever! they all use what came before as reference, and all of them are still advancing. any and all progress that we make will be used by someone in the future for their interpretation of a literary work or whether or not some substance is harmful to humans or some similar scenario. but that's not so bad, is it? it's because we're not original that we are able to learn from our past mistakes and grow as people. it's because we're not original that we're able to find people that we relate to and make friends.
most all of us on this site like anthropomorphic creatures. in comparison to each other, we are unoriginal. but if that means we can come together over art and contribute to something potentially greater than ourselves, then i'm okay with being unoriginal.

m8 I have no problem with this and understand that true originality is impossible. ╹‿╹)
What I mean by originality is just something that comes from you. Sure that thing
is a culmination of external sources but, it's put in such a way that only you can
put it, Dood.

As opposed to taking the latest trend and forcing it through them for attention.
Sure it may meet the standers of the definition of original but it lacks the same
substance as a piece they actually care about, Dood

garfieldfromgarfield said:
i respectfully disagree. i find it quite endearing

It's annoying.

jayfiregrowlithe said:
It's annoying.

maybe a little, but it's a friendly expression. he's just livin life. kinda based if you ask me

kemonophonic said:
Notkastar is secretly a Prinny.

lmao

By definition, if they did the different thing, then THAT would be the new norm. Welcome to social studies. :)

garfieldfromgarfield said:
maybe a little, but it's a friendly expression. he's just livin life. kinda based if you ask me

It's like the reading equivalent to nails on a chalkboard not dissimilar to 13 year old girls adding "*squee* XDDDDDD Penguin of Doooooom" to every post in the mid 2000's or people saying "LMAO" irl.

But to the topic of the thread:

Nihil Novi Sub Sole

garfieldfromgarfield said:
maybe a little, but it's a friendly expression. he's just livin life. kinda based if you ask me

kharnzebetrayer said:
It's like the reading equivalent to nails on a chalkboard not dissimilar to 13 year old girls adding "*squee* XDDDDDD Penguin of Doooooom" to every post in the mid 2000's or people saying "LMAO" irl.

Loving the duality here,
and honestly really flattering anyone would put that
much thought into me, Thank you, Dood!
◠‿◠)

kharnzebetrayer said:
But to the topic of the thread:

Nihil Novi Sub Sole

And very true, Very true.
Though what are your thoughts on ideas that have been sun bleached?
Ideas not done out of love for the topic but because everyone else is
cooking it, Why shouldn't you, Dood?

notkastar said:
I really wanna see what an individual has to say instead of whatever meme or opinion
they heard of but, that's all I've been getting lately. the same thing said through different voices.
Sadly stopped caring about the quality of how they say it when it's still the same thing everybody
else is saying, Dood.

Why not be original?

Edit:

Little bit vague so let me clarify a bit!
Completly talking about creativity here, Dood
╹‿╹)

Art, jokes, and Video games have just been feeling pretty samey.
The only thing changing is how another person presents the same product
like it's a new thing, Dood

Would love to see what an individual can do instead of what they
heard of, but they don't, why don't they?

Because humans are naturally social creatures. Its that simple, and its not a bad thing (most of the time).

garfieldfromgarfield said:
maybe a little, but it's a friendly expression. he's just livin life. kinda based if you ask me

tbh people saying "based" has become more annoying than OP saying "dood" all the time.