I don't if I'm correct so let me explain. Tagging something as trans_man_(lore) for example means the character in the picture is a female (and tagged as such because of our tag-what-you-see rule), but said character identifies themselves as a man.
If that's correct (what I assume it is) tagging a female character also as trans_woman_(lore) is wrong. It wouldn't make sense.
If I'm correct that also means that Dracojeff's character Phyco is very often mistagged. The character has a female body, but is male in mind. So, the correct combination of tags would be female and trans_male_(lore).

Is my train of thoughts correct or am I wrong?

trans man (lore): the character is a trans man, regardless of sex

trans woman (lore): the character is a trans woman, regardless of sex

For example, an andromorph character and a male character will both be tagged "trans man (lore)" if the owner of those characters says that the characters are trans men.

Lore tags are unrelated to what can be seen in the image.

gattonero2001 said:
trans man (lore): the character is a trans man, regardless of sex

trans woman (lore): the character is a trans woman, regardless of sex

For example, an andromorph character and a male character will both be tagged "trans man (lore)" if the owner of those characters says that the characters are trans men.

Lore tags are unrelated to what can be seen in the image.

So, I'm right and the character Phyco I mentioned is mistagged. Dracojeff uses him already for many years and made clear that Phyco identifies as a male.

demonthedarkhedgehog said:
So, I'm right and the character Phyco I mentioned is mistagged. Dracojeff uses him already for many years and made clear that Phyco identifies as a male.

Thats correct

i think for phyco's case he should be tagged as male_(lore) instead of trans_man_(lore) as he still identifies with is assigned at birth gender even though his body's changed, wheras calling him trans would imply that he's changed his gender identity

tl:dr phyco's cis, tag him female male_(lore)

edit: this could also be a gross misunderstanding of gender identity on my part, so i apologize

dripen_arn said:
i think for phyco's case he should be tagged as male_(lore) instead of trans_man_(lore) as he still identifies with is assigned at birth gender even though his body's changed, wheras calling him trans would imply that he's changed his gender identity

tl:dr phyco's cis, tag him female male_(lore)

edit: this could also be a gross misunderstanding of gender identity on my part, so i apologize

You are right male_(lore) makes more sense than trans_man_(lore) in the case of Phyco.

edit: Watsit made a really good point (and good explanation). trans_man_(lore) is the correct tag for Phyco.

dripen_arn said:
i think for phyco's case he should be tagged as male_(lore) instead of trans_man_(lore) as he still identifies with is assigned at birth gender even though his body's changed, wheras calling him trans would imply that he's changed his gender identity

No, I think male_(lore) should be reserved for characters that are intended to be represented as male, but which TWYS doesn't allow to be tagged as male (I know the wiki is a bit confusing on this point, but interpreting it as a gender identity makes that the same as trans_man_(lore), while also including non-trans male characters under the same tag, making it ambiguous about what you'll find). A person searching male_(lore) should find characters that can conceivably be male, and not clearly female or intersex characters. trans_man_(lore) makes more sense for phyco.

watsit said:
No, I think male_(lore) should be reserved for characters that are intended to be represented as male, but which TWYS doesn't allow to be tagged as male (I know the wiki is a bit confusing on this point, but interpreting it as a gender identity makes that the same as trans_man_(lore), while also including non-trans male characters under the same tag, making it ambiguous about what you'll find). A person searching male_(lore) should find characters that can conceivably be male, and not clearly female or intersex characters. trans_man_(lore) makes more sense for phyco.

the definition of transgender is identifying as a gender different from you assigned at birth gender, regardless of sex (i.e. physical properties), and by that definition, phyco wouldn't be a trans man

heck, i don't see what you're on about with the wiki, as it seems pretty cut and dry for what it's meant for:

male_(lore): Posts featuring characters who are canonically deemed to be or identify as male by their creator or owner, regardless of the physical or biological sex they are depicted as in the post.

trans_man_(lore): Posts featuring characters who are canonically deemed to be or identify as male despite being assigned a different gender at (in-universe) birth by their creator or owner, regardless of the physical or biological sex they are depicted as in the post.

i don't really understand what you mean when you say "conceivably male" other that by looks (which goes straight against the purpose of lore tags)

Aren't the *_(lore) tags more or less a "do what you want" thing? And I haven't seen, from a mod, that it is disallowed to use female + female_(lore) together, even though it's a little nonsensical. They are relatively useless for searching anyway.

dripen_arn said:
i don't really understand what you mean when you say "conceivably male" other that by looks (which goes straight against the purpose of lore tags)

They likely mean the good ol' edgecases that got the lore tags rolling in the first place. But I doubt site doctrine supports that argument; if the administration were going to entertain the idea of male-leaning-ambiguous and female-leaning-ambiguous bodies as distinct from definitely-male and definitely-female bodies, they wouldn't have put their foot down so hard on Mikhaila and Reggie, and the current lore wikis wouldn't be already written to head off that argument of conceivably male/female.

Did one of the last threads determine whether crossgender applies to Phyco? This has got to be at least the third thread so far.

dripen_arn said:
the definition of transgender is identifying as a gender different from you assigned at birth gender, regardless of sex (i.e. physical properties), and by that definition, phyco wouldn't be a trans man

For real world trans people, that's true. But we're dealing with art and fictional settings here, where characters can change in impossible ways or have no history/birth but still exist. Phyco as a character started as male, both visibly and by identity, but the artist then started drawing them completely as female but kept them identifying as a man. So their sex is different from their gender identity. The closest I can think of that could happen in real life is someone born as male, goes through hormone therapy and gender reassignment surgery, but then identifies as a man afterward. Still not quite the same as what you can do with art, but would that person be a trans or cis man?

dripen_arn said:
heck, i don't see what you're on about with the wiki, as it seems pretty cut and dry for what it's meant for:

The male_(lore), female_(lore), etc, tags were meant for characters that are intended to be depicted as some sex, but TWYS doesn't allow them to be tagged as that. People kept getting upset that an "obviously male character" ("just look at the previous page!" or "it says right there in the dialog!") would occasionally get tagged as ambiguous_gender or female because there was no penis and their body was a bit too feminine. Or a herm getting tagged gynomorph because you can't see their pussy from the given angle. Or a female being tagged andromorph because they're flat-chested and not feminine enough. These non-trans lore tags were offered as a way to correctly tag a character's sex when they otherwise couldn't be. The tag would be useless for this purpose if it can be used on characters that very obviously can't be that sex.

dripen_arn said:
i don't really understand what you mean when you say "conceivably male" other that by looks (which goes straight against the purpose of lore tags)

I mean that there can be a set of unseen details that would allow the character to be tagged as male, without having to ignore/exclude any visible details. For example, a character with a feminine body and no visible breasts, and their lower body was out of frame, would be tagged female due to having a feminine body and no visible penis, but if the character had a penis that was simply not depicted, they could be tagged male, so male_(lore) would apply if external information said he was male. In contrast, if a character has visible breasts, there's no additional details that would make them male (a penis would make them a gynomorph or herm), so male_(lore) couldn't apply in that case; you'd have to remove the breasts that they clearly have.