Alright, I have been curious of this for a long time.

Is a square a rectangle? Yes, it is still 4 sides intersected by 90 degree angles.
Is a rectangle a square? Not always, only if the 4 sides are of equal length.

So, is a brony a furry? Yes, they are a fan of anthropomorphic animals.
Is a furry a brony? Not always, not everyone that is a fur watchers/likes MLP.

So with this, why is there so much hate from bronies to furries? I just dont understand this.

I just found out today, one of the largest MLP conventions (The largest on the West Coast of the US) Everfree NW is going to ban furries from the convention this year. No fursuit will be allowed in the convention unless it is directly MLP related.

I understand that it is their con, and they have the right to do this... But WHY!?!? I have seen MLP suits/cosplays at ever furry convention with out a second blink. No one hates them for it. So why on earth wold anyone, much less a convention with over 2200 attendies. MANY OF WHICH IDENTIFY AS BRONY AND FURRY, ban furries from its convention?

If anyone can help shed some light on this, I would love to know.

PS... very tempted to buy a day pass for the con and suit around the hotel. Since it is hotel property and not convention space, it can not be banned. I want to stand against this. It just seems so so wrong....

cool story.

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
cool story.

Huh?

_Waffles_ said:
Huh?

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/cool-story-bro

furries r people who get turned on by talking animal people and usually have gross fetishes

Bronies are people who watch baby shows and want to hump horses

completely diffrent

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/cool-story-bro

So this was pointless, boring, and too long to read eh? Well thank you very much for your time I guess.

_Waffles_ said:
So this was pointless, boring, and too long to read eh? Well thank you very much for your time I guess.

Pointless and boring because this is nothing new and we all know about it already.

Also, don't mind memeboy up there. He's time-travelled from 2003, or so we think, so he's a little behind the times on what's okay to say and what's not.

I think the separation is largely because the majority of bronies aren't furries who decided they like a TV show, but are people who like the show, and some people might consider some of them to be furries.

The square/rectangle comparison isn't really accurate, because not all bronies are furries, or would consider themselves to be.
Many would likely be insulted by the comparison.

Fact is, this is a venn diagram of fandoms where there's 2 circles that happen to intersect to some degree.

Halite said:
I think the separation is largely because the majority of bronies aren't furries who decided they like a TV show, but are people who like the show, and some people might consider some of them to be furries.

The square/rectangle comparison isn't really accurate, because not all bronies are furries, or would consider themselves to be.
Many would likely be insulted by the comparison.

Fact is, this is a venn diagram of fandoms where there's 2 circles that happen to intersect to some degree.

I guess I am confused. I thought furries are those who are fans of anthropomorphic (animal based) art, whether that me drawing, painting, animation, writings, etc. With this idea, then bronies are furries.

Furries are Anthropomorphic animals, MLP consist of toonish Pony Horses.
Only bronies who like anthromorphic versions of the ponies can be pointed as furries, and not always. PLEASE not that anthropomorphic is not the same as anthrofied, which is the case of those human form ponies.

Feel free to search the rest of the forums talking of this topic for more information.

Why do groups with similar interests sometimes like to pretend one of them is better than the other? It's not unique to furries and bronies, it's a human thing.

One theory is that it's a way of passing along the blame for the backlash they get, by scapegoating the other group for "taking it too far" and playing a game of "what we do is ok because of Reasons, but what they do is not ok because it's somehow crossing a line (a different line than the ones we cross). Since we have to justify why people should stop hating on us in the same ways, we'll hate on them and pretend they're different somehow and worse than us. We'll pretend to be less weird and more mainstream because, see, we hate those other guys too. We're not that weird if we participate in excluding another group for weirdness. Doesn't it make us seem more normal if we agree they are weird even compared to us? Surely people will believe us then. That other group, well they're the ones who just make us look bad. If they weren't insisting on doing ___ all the time, then everyone would stop hating us and it's their fault we don't gain acceptance". It's scapegoating, it's delusional denial, it's desperation, it's "us vs them", it's wanting people to be tolerant of you but not being willing to tolerate anyone else who's also different than the mainstream. It's complete crap. But humans pull this stunt all of the time.

NoctemWerewolf said:
Furries are Anthropomorphic animals, MLP consist of toonish Pony Horses.
Only bronies who like anthromorphic versions of the ponies can be pointed as furries, and not always. PLEASE not that anthropomorphic is not the same as anthrofied, which is the case of those human form ponies.

Feel free to search the rest of the forums talking of this topic for more information.

Anthropomorphic is an object with humanistic traits. Thus why I said furry is anthropomorphic animal based. Just as MLP is since it is pony that has heavy humanistic traits.

_Waffles_ said:
Anthropomorphic is an object with humanistic traits. Thus why I said furry is anthropomorphic animal based. Just as MLP is since it is pony that has heavy humanistic traits.

More commonly in the furry/brony fandoms, however, it's used to describe a humanoid animal.

_Waffles_ said:
So, is a brony a furry? Yes, they are a fan of anthropomorphic animals.
Is a furry a brony? Not always, not everyone that is a fur watchers/likes MLP.

So... every person on the planet that likes cartoons (Bugs Bunny, Spongebob, Teen Titans {beast boy..}, Garfield, Dilbert, etc) are furries? Wow, that's a lot larger community than I realized.

Being a furry has a lot more to do with self-image and feeling a stronger fascination/attraction to the non-human than the human. It's not just thinking "hey, catgirls are sexy looking" or liking a show that happens to use animals/anthros as the cast.

_Waffles_ said:
Is a square a rectangle? Yes, it is still 4 sides intersected by 90 degree angles.
Is a rectangle a square? Not always, only if the 4 sides are of equal length.

Halite said:
The square/rectangle comparison isn't really accurate, because not all bronies are furries, or would consider themselves to be.

Some rhombuses are rectangles, some rectangles are rhombuses. (They're called squares.)

furrypickle said:
Why do groups with similar interests sometimes like to pretend one of them is better than the other? It's not unique to furries and bronies, it's a human thing.

One theory is that it's a way of passing along the blame for the backlash they get, by scapegoating the other group for "taking it too far" and playing a game of "what we do is ok because of Reasons, but what they do is not ok because it's somehow crossing a line (a different line than the ones we cross). Since we have to justify why people should stop hating on us in the same ways, we'll hate on them and pretend they're different somehow and worse than us. We'll pretend to be less weird and more mainstream because, see, we hate those other guys too. We're not that weird if we participate in excluding another group for weirdness. Doesn't it make us seem more normal if we agree they are weird even compared to us? Surely people will believe us then. That other group, well they're the ones who just make us look bad. If they weren't insisting on doing ___ all the time, then everyone would stop hating us and it's their fault we don't gain acceptance". It's scapegoating, it's delusional denial, it's desperation, it's "us vs them", it's wanting people to be tolerant of you but not being willing to tolerate anyone else who's also different than the mainstream. It's complete crap. But humans pull this stunt all of the time.

This makes a lot of sense. Thank you! People fighting over petty scwabbles and have to think them as superior. Human nature taking affect heavily in areas that are unneeded. Thank you again!

It's because furries and bronies are pretty low on the internet pecking order so they both jumped at the opportunity to pick on someone else.

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
cool story.

Immature response.

https://e621.net/forum/show/147977
https://e621.net/forum/show/146926
https://e621.net/forum/show/144716

can we stop having this goddamn discussion

Durandal said:
Immature response.

Hard not to post it when I'm quite sure I'm sick and goddamn tired of the whole 'furry vs brony' bullshit debate.

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
Hard not to post it when I'm quite sure I'm sick and goddamn tired of the whole 'furry vs brony' bullshit debate.

That is why you don't say "cool story." but instead say "This is new and interesting, just as it was the last 5 god damn times this pointless topic crept up.".

NotMeNotYou said:
That is why you don't say "cool story." but instead say "This is new and interesting, just as it was the last 5 god damn times this pointless topic crept up.".

Gotcha - I'll remember that.

SirAntagonist said:
https://e621.net/forum/show/147977
https://e621.net/forum/show/146926
https://e621.net/forum/show/144716

can we stop having this goddamn discussion

This isnt a MLP bashing or furry vs brony debate. I am curious more on why this would be such a huge problem that entire conventions with nearly 3000 attendees would ban a group that many bronies belong to.

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
Hard not to post it when I'm quite sure I'm sick and goddamn tired of the whole 'furry vs brony' bullshit debate.

yeah I don't like being compared to grown men who watch television programming for children and people always try to make comparisons. Like seriosuly gore up already people and watch shows that are good and not trash made by some cooperation looking to sell toys to small children. Like watch rick & Morty or restuprae or Anthony Fonatono or something.....

_Waffles_ said:
This isnt a MLP bashing or furry vs brony debate. I am curious more on why this would be such a huge problem that entire conventions with nearly 3000 attendees would ban a group that many bronies belong to.

Maybe bronies don't want to have furries at their convention because they are afraid someone will use it as an excuse for another chlorine bomb attack

memeboy said:

Maybe bronies don't want to have furries at their convention because they are afraid someone will use it as an excuse for another chlorine bomb attack

Now this makes a lot of sense as well. Lord knows it sucked losing out an entire day of MFF to being stuck in the hospital myself because of the damn thing.

memeboy said:
yeah I don't like being compared to grown men who watch television programming for children and people always try to make comparisons. Like seriosuly gore up already people and watch shows that are good and not trash made by some cooperation looking to sell toys to small children. Like watch rick & Morty or restuprae or Anthony Fonatono or something.....

For fuck's sake, memeboy, get back in your time machine already.

I doubt people would attack a brony convention because there are furries there, even if the guy attacked once i doubt that he would be stupid enough to just go on doing stupid attacks to a internet fandom untill he gets caught by the police (But i could be wrong, its hard to get a hold on crazy people.)

It just gets to me that people keep on bothering other's because of what they like, they probably shouldn't go banning people because of fursuits (but hell what do i know about organizing events?)

I think that its not up to third parties to decided what an individual is, if a brony wants to be called a furry or not its up to him.

memeboy said:
shows that are good [...] Anthony Fonatono

snrk

_Waffles_ said:
This isnt a MLP bashing or furry vs brony debate. I am curious more on why this would be such a huge problem that entire conventions with nearly 3000 attendees would ban a group that many bronies belong to.

Because it isn't a furry convention. If I held a Pokemon convention and 500 people showed up in Homestuck costumes, it wouldn't be unreasonable for me to ban them.

They aren't banning furries. They probably just don't want a bunch of bozos in fursuits rekindling the furry/brony shitfest that's been going on for fucking years.

its year 2050, yet again someone thinks that its an excellent idea to create 943765th forum topic to discuss if bronies are furries.

Mutisija said:
its year 2050, yet again someone thinks that its an excellent idea to create 943765th forum topic to discuss if bronies are furries.

I'm pretty sure that in 2050 people will be crazy about another cartoon, and mlp will join sonic the hedgehog fandom. Do you see any flames about sonic here?

SirAntagonist said:
Because it isn't a furry convention. If I held a Pokemon convention and 500 people showed up in Homestuck costumes, it wouldn't be unreasonable for me to ban them.

That isn't a real motive, last year i went with a couple of friends an anime convention near where i live, it holds a lot of people every year, since it was my first time i went there i thought i'd only see anime cosplays, it turned out that there were people cosplaying as harry potter characters, it had bronies with pony shirts, a bunch of people cosplaying homestuck, other things unrelated to things that were remotely japanese, hell it even had furries on fursuits there (still dunno how they held it granted it was around 30 celsius at the time.), they weren't the majority of the event nor the focus of the event, yet i didn't see anyone getting banned from the event. One of the stalls selling things was called the dragon's tavern and it had spike's picture baking a gem cake (its unrelated but it was kinda funny to see)

The event's name is Anime friends its held in São Paulo every year on july.

It just doesn't seem worth to be banning people just because they wanna be dressed X at a the place, they still like the goddamn show don't they?

This all seems so fucking stupid.

Granberia said:
Do you see any flames about sonic here?

Well, I know a particular someone who had a certain issue with Sonic's arms being blue.

Moon_Moon said:
Well, I know a particular someone who had a certain issue with Sonic's arms being blue.

LOL Chris chan is old news, eveyone knows parkourdude91 is what hip and in right now, ya dig?

because bronies don't want to be furries because they believe fucking real animals is more acceptable, while furries believe fucking make believe animals is more acceptable.

ShaggySnacks said:
because bronies don't want to be furries because they believe fucking real animals is more acceptable, while furries believe fucking make believe animals is more acceptable.

They're both wrong.

ShaggySnacks said:
because bronies don't want to be furries because they believe fucking real animals is more acceptable, while furries believe fucking make believe animals is more acceptable.

http://i.imgur.com/wrRNIZ4.gif

memeboy said:
LOL Chris chan is old news, eveyone knows parkourdude91 is what hip and in right now, ya dig?

"Claiming you are going to join the Army in the future is 'Basically the same thing as being a Marine' and deserves the same level of respect."

"Dual-wielding is a technique used by elite soldiers."

"Snipers smoke weed to stabilize their aim."

I would have been happier not knowing this person existed.

Durandal said:
"Claiming you are going to join the Army in the future is 'Basically the same thing as being a Marine' and deserves the same level of respect."

"Dual-wielding is a technique used by elite soldiers."

"Snipers smoke weed to stabilize their aim."

I would have been happier not knowing this person existed.

"Furries are kinda like poser juggalos that don't listen to insane clown posse or drink faygo" -Parkourdude91 on the differences between otherkin and furries

memeboy said:
"Furries are kinda like poser juggalos that don't listen to insane clown posse or drink faygo" -Parkourdude91 on the differences between otherkin and furries

But there's a sort of childlike innocence that chrischan possesses that is all the more sweet to destroy.

Moon_Moon said:
But there's a sort of childlike innocence that chrischan possesses that is all the more sweet to destroy.

Childlike innocence? Nobody asked him to start macing people...

Moon_Moon said:
But there's a sort of childlike innocence that chrischan possesses that is all the more sweet to destroy.

http://youtu.be/MJ8X_CWkkcI wait till 1:00

memeboy said:
http://youtu.be/MJ8X_CWkkcI wait till 1:00

Okay, that was great.

memeboy said:
http://youtu.be/MJ8X_CWkkcI wait till 1:00

sound_warning

memeboy said:
http://youtu.be/MJ8X_CWkkcI wait till 1:00

I'd love to see him actually make it into the Corps.

"Fuck these fucking Taliban! Why do I even have to be in the fucking desert anyway?! Why are these assholes shooting at me?!"