post #3727800

Ketchup is so gross. Anyone else feel like Heinz brand ketchup has gotten way too sweeter
and taste MORE fake? Like...I don't think tomatos are supposed to taste like that...Ketchup has really fallen over the years.
Just like Chips Ahoy, Hershey's....why is our USA Brand snacks and condiments becoming gross? I can literally taste the chemicals & factory behind it.

The chocolate doesn't even taste like how it used to be a couple years back. Chocolate chip cookies used to be my favorite but even that taste like shit!
The dough taste manufactured, the chocolate chips taste fake...I have no idea what's going on

but it's like, despite all the FOOD we got here in USA, none of that seems to be going towards making decent snacks and condiments taste gross too!

At least the Mustered still taste good to me! That's why I always use mustered on my hot dogs!

What do you guys think about our snacks & condiments? Have they changed over the years? Does it taste funny to you too?

tee hee

I think there's at least one person who doesn't mind heinz ketchup laxes ketchup

kemonophonic said:
tee hee

earlopain said:
I think there's at least one person who doesn't mind heinz ketchup laxes ketchup

I wanted a conversation...but all I got was curses!
post #4027682

The US has extremely heavy farming subsidies, particularly on corn. This results in corn products, particularly high fructose corn syrup, being put into absolutely everything. (This is also why meat is so cheap in spite of a gargantuan amount of resources being put into it - subsidies and cost leveling across different products.) Companies have a legal duty to deliver profit to shareholders and to do this, they will pay as little as possible and manufacture goods as cheaply as possible.

English chocolate is fucking great. Europe isn't perfect but they have much stronger regulations on what companies are allowed to put into food. (Though, contrary to popular opinion, they don't ban HFCS, it's just much less common. They call it isoglycol.)

Really, humanity should move to an entirely vegan diet as soon as possible.

peacethroughpower said:
Really, humanity should move to an entirely vegan diet as soon as possible.

I've been a vegetarian for over ten years. It's not so bad.

peacethroughpower said:
The US has extremely heavy farming subsidies, particularly on corn. This results in corn products, particularly high fructose corn syrup, being put into absolutely everything. (This is also why meat is so cheap in spite of a gargantuan amount of resources being put into it - subsidies and cost leveling across different products.) Companies have a legal duty to deliver profit to shareholders and to do this, they will pay as little as possible and manufacture goods as cheaply as possible.

English chocolate is fucking great. Europe isn't perfect but they have much stronger regulations on what companies are allowed to put into food. (Though, contrary to popular opinion, they don't ban HFCS, it's just much less common. They call it isoglycol.)

Really, humanity should move to an entirely vegan diet as soon as possible.

I like meat though. I don't see how people can fuck up meat. Although, I'm also noticing that my Hot Dogs are tasting less and less like hot dogs.
At least my steak still taste like steak.
I don't agree with an all vegetarian diet, but it has its positives.

I ate a salid before and I don't see how eating grass is going to fill up my belly. (semi-joke aside)
It's so stupid that the recourses we have for our food isn't really going towards...you know...food.

I mean...cooked food obviously still taste real, but we're talking about snacks here. Our snacks are fake as hell.

closetpossum said:
I like meat though. I don't see how people can fuck up meat. Although, I'm also noticing that my Hot Dogs are tasting less and less like hot dogs.
At least my steak still taste like steak.
I don't agree with an all vegetarian diet, but it has its positives.

I ate a salid before and I don't see how eating grass is going to fill up my belly. (semi-joke aside)
It's so stupid that the recourses we have for our food isn't really going towards...you know...food.

I mean...cooked food obviously still taste real, but we're talking about snacks here. Our snacks are fake as hell.

Factory farming and such wide availability of meat has been an absolute disaster on every level. Ecological, ethical, nutritional, economic, political. So much land is devoted solely to grazing, livestock in factory farms spend their lives in horrible conditions, having so much meat in your diet is incredibly unhealthy, destruction of environments (e.g. the Amazon in Brazil) to make more room for said grazing is incredibly harmful, the resources that go into ensuring easy access to cheap meat could do so much better elsewhere and pandering to the agricultural industry has enabled one particular party to pass a lot of socially regressive policies. I have no capacity to control anyone's actions but all of these are objective facts, and if humanity wants to maintain a livable planet, they need to make a lot of changes very quickly.

I would like to see vat meat technology but thinking realistically, the only way for it to become mass produced would be if it were even cheaper than traditional factory farming. And even if that happened, the government might just artificially subsidize the agricultural industry to maintain political support, as has happened before.

The State of Iowa is basically just a fucking corn field. Humans could do so much better.

personally i've noticed some cadbury products have an almost plasticky aftertaste since kraft took over, particularly plain dairy milk and wispa. regular milk chocolate hershey bars have a vomity taste to them that's very unappealing but other flavours like cookies and creme or the gold ones are nice. in terms of meat i do still indulge in a lot of that and dairy but i'd definitely be down for lab meat. i've tried alternatives to cow's milk before and nothing's really come close. coconut milk is nice and sweet but doesn't have the thickness for using in something like cereal.

After living in the US for a few years, one of the most shocking things to me about moving back to Europe was how good the snacks tasted upon getting home, even though I'd regarded most of them as pretty bland prior to moving away.

I also lost over 50 lbs within weeks of moving back, without any exercise or diet regime.

I was expecting a thread made by a bot trying to sell something.

Yeah USA has a fame of having terrible condiments because of their corn syrup fetish, I always found baffling that lots of american people hate mayonnaise then I found how they make it there, ofc people will hate it when it's made in that way lol.

notknow said:
I was expecting a thread made by a bot trying to sell something.

Yeah USA has a fame of having terrible condiments because of their corn syrup fetish, I always found baffling that lots of american people hate mayonnaise then I found how they make it there, ofc people will hate it when it's made in that way lol.

what's wrong with our mayo?

I'm just going to leave this here. https://youtu.be/HthXI7B4NW8

closetpossum said:
post #3727800

Ketchup is so gross. Anyone else feel like Heinz brand ketchup has gotten way too sweeter
and taste MORE fake? Like...I don't think tomatos are supposed to taste like that...Ketchup has really fallen over the years.
Just like Chips Ahoy, Hershey's....why is our USA Brand snacks and condiments becoming gross? I can literally taste the chemicals & factory behind it.

The chocolate doesn't even taste like how it used to be a couple years back. Chocolate chip cookies used to be my favorite but even that taste like shit!
The dough taste manufactured, the chocolate chips taste fake...I have no idea what's going on

but it's like, despite all the FOOD we got here in USA, none of that seems to be going towards making decent snacks and condiments taste gross too!

At least the Mustered still taste good to me! That's why I always use mustered on my hot dogs!

What do you guys think about our snacks & condiments? Have they changed over the years? Does it taste funny to you too?

Krapft foods, lulz. I don't even buy their pickles, anymore. Oh, hello my friend alum! Seriously, first thought on reading this is it's the brands. See also: Why iPhones get shittier and shittier every generation yet have feature creep to satisfy the consumers.

peacethroughpower said:
The US has extremely heavy farming subsidies, particularly on corn. This results in corn products, particularly high fructose corn syrup, being put into absolutely everything. (This is also why meat is so cheap in spite of a gargantuan amount of resources being put into it - subsidies and cost leveling across different products.) Companies have a legal duty to deliver profit to shareholders and to do this, they will pay as little as possible and manufacture goods as cheaply as possible.

English chocolate is fucking great. Europe isn't perfect but they have much stronger regulations on what companies are allowed to put into food. (Though, contrary to popular opinion, they don't ban HFCS, it's just much less common. They call it isoglycol.)

Really, humanity should move to an entirely vegan diet as soon as possible.

It's kind of a mixed bag, though. The UK have some stuff in their chocolates I'd prefer not to touch. I agree that anywhere that you could possibly use any other form of sugar, you get HFCS because it's damn cheap (at least to the people getting it subsidized - everyone else pays for it though). Cotton farmers were actually asking to get subsidies changed so they didn't HAVE to grow cotton. Like, the entire concept of targetting the worst-performing crops is insane. Cotton and corn are disastrous. Almond milk became the running joke in wasting water, just like cotton.

At least Swiss still know how to make decent chocolate. I think of Cadbury when I think of awful chocolate at name brand prices. Hershey's not horrible. But I only eat dark chocolate so my tastes are biased. There was a huge controversy in the industry over actually having cocoa in chocolate. "Chocolatey" bullshit. Rats and small kids love the taste of pure sugar with brown food coloring! ;)

closetpossum said:
what's wrong with our mayo?

Normally, mayo is made by blending oil and raw eggs into mild vinegar, until they form an emulsion. I was pretty sure that all mayo has variants of that so not sure if it isn't just the concept of ingesting what amounts to grease. XD

sonichuizcool said:
personally i've noticed some cadbury products have an almost plasticky aftertaste since kraft took over, particularly plain dairy milk and wispa. regular milk chocolate hershey bars have a vomity taste to them that's very unappealing but other flavours like cookies and creme or the gold ones are nice. in terms of meat i do still indulge in a lot of that and dairy but i'd definitely be down for lab meat. i've tried alternatives to cow's milk before and nothing's really come close. coconut milk is nice and sweet but doesn't have the thickness for using in something like cereal.

See, there's a reason I call them Kra(p)ft, now! Their processed 'cheeses' made out of oil, LOL.

alphamule said:
Krapft foods, lulz. I don't even buy their pickles, anymore. Oh, hello my friend alum! Seriously, first thought on reading this is it's the brands. See also: Why iPhones get shittier and shittier every generation yet have feature creep to satisfy the consumers.

It's kind of a mixed bag, though. The UK have some stuff in their chocolates I'd prefer not to touch. I agree that anywhere that you could possibly use any other form of sugar, you get HFCS because it's damn cheap (at least to the people getting it subsidized - everyone else pays for it though). Cotton farmers were actually asking to get subsidies changed so they didn't HAVE to grow cotton. Like, the entire concept of targetting the worst-performing crops is insane. Cotton and corn are disastrous. Almond milk became the running joke in wasting water, just like cotton.

At least Swiss still know how to make decent chocolate. I think of Cadbury when I think of awful chocolate at name brand prices. Hershey's not horrible. But I only eat dark chocolate so my tastes are biased. There was a huge controversy in the industry over actually having cocoa in chocolate. "Chocolatey" bullshit. Rats and small kids love the taste of pure sugar with brown food coloring! ;)

Normally, mayo is made by blending oil and raw eggs into mild vinegar, until they form an emulsion. I was pretty sure that all mayo has variants of that so not sure if it isn't just the concept of ingesting what amounts to grease. XD

See, there's a reason I call them Kra(p)ft, now! Their processed 'cheeses' made out of oil, LOL.

Planned obsolescence was confirmed in a court case or something recently. I would also imagine that, as processing power grows, programmers get lazier and less efficient, leading to older computers being less usable. This is mitigated by many open source projects - I've resurrected many old PCs with Linux and some hardware upgrades. In the future, it would be cool if phones were upgradeable like desktops are but that's a huge engineering challenge. (I'd also like to have a rooted phone one day, when I can afford to risk bricking it.)

What substances in particular are you afraid of? I've had English chocolate and enjoyed it. Oat milk is so much better than almond milk. In my state (Arizona), Saudi Arabia owns huge alfalfa farms that use a gargantuan amount of water, which is only going to be more harmful as the climate apocalypse advances.

I'm not really a purist when it comes to chocolate - I prefer keeping my annoying pedantry to anime and fluffy ponies.

peacethroughpower said:
Planned obsolescence was confirmed in a court case or something recently. I would also imagine that, as processing power grows, programmers get lazier and less efficient, leading to older computers being less usable. This is mitigated by many open source projects - I've resurrected many old PCs with Linux and some hardware upgrades. In the future, it would be cool if phones were upgradeable like desktops are but that's a huge engineering challenge. (I'd also like to have a rooted phone one day, when I can afford to risk bricking it.)

What substances in particular are you afraid of? I've had English chocolate and enjoyed it. Oat milk is so much better than almond milk. In my state (Arizona), Saudi Arabia owns huge alfalfa farms that use a gargantuan amount of water, which is only going to be more harmful as the climate apocalypse advances.

I'm not really a purist when it comes to chocolate - I prefer keeping my annoying pedantry to anime and fluffy ponies.

I see some turning point with the opposite happening. Things start to scale... poorly with billions of potential users and way more than that in devices. Silicon has reached economic stagnation, even if more powerful chips can fit in even smaller spaces. They'll make up for it though, by using that higher efficiency in the core OS and (wanted) user apps, to cram in more crapware. Battery life be damned! :D

That thing with cell phones has never really been an engineering issue. It's always been by design. They go out of their way to make sure that you can't do anything like that. We've had HALs and such for decades, and that hardware is designed to prevent it. Phones get powerful enough to emulate a full rooted Android device? Well, then we'll just have to make sure that no software will run on it. Oh, they found an open-source program that works on it? We'll have to make sure that sites won't accept it because lack of attestation. It's ratcheting, all the way with that "heads I win, tails you lose" process.

You ever wonder how it is that Samsung can detect modified firmware, and depending on unlocking flag, refuse to boot, yet even if you return that firmware image to factory bytes, it won't clear Knox flag? And wouldn't the encryption keys for Flash storage be useless if revoked after switching said flag, so data is still secure? It had nothing to do with 'warranty', and everything to do with forcing you to both buy a newer device, and to make you run a version of Android with their paid-for (as in them getting paid for you to have it) apps. There's probably tons of reasons not related at all to security. They could have made it a less awful way but didn't want to. Of course, if you're buying high-end Samsung, you're buying the iPhone of Androids. XD

Remember when no one processed brackish (sea) water to remove the alkalinity, and turn it into fresh water? In the long term, that's the only sustainable solution, even IF human population stayed the same. Just plain physical laws apply when you have a hard limit on how much fresh water the world will make in a a given region every year. This is ignoring the horrible effects it's having on the environment, especially topsoil. That stuff takes years to replenish nitrogen from lack of water needed for the nitrogen cycle (Ammonia/nitrite/nitrate mostly). Which is scary process in it's own way, if you ever compost large piles of manure. >:) So, how are they dealing with that in regions that heavily farm crops like almonds and cotton?

Hmm, some reference. Tl;Dr Milk chocolate is bullshit of the highest order, and 250% more so in the US, hehe.
https://readcacao.com/ingredients-in-chocolate/
It was mostly the fat content, but TBH, you shouldn't be eating enough for it to matter. :facepalm:

closetpossum said:
post #3727800

Ketchup is so gross. Anyone else feel like Heinz brand ketchup has gotten way too sweeter
and taste MORE fake? Like...I don't think tomatos are supposed to taste like that...Ketchup has really fallen over the years.
Just like Chips Ahoy, Hershey's....why is our USA Brand snacks and condiments becoming gross? I can literally taste the chemicals & factory behind it.

The chocolate doesn't even taste like how it used to be a couple years back. Chocolate chip cookies used to be my favorite but even that taste like shit!
The dough taste manufactured, the chocolate chips taste fake...I have no idea what's going on

but it's like, despite all the FOOD we got here in USA, none of that seems to be going towards making decent snacks and condiments taste gross too!

At least the Mustered still taste good to me! That's why I always use mustered on my hot dogs!

What do you guys think about our snacks & condiments? Have they changed over the years? Does it taste funny to you too?

I've been all over the world and eaten many snacks. I'm also weird and any condiment tastes like absolute shit to me. I find mayo and mustard to be particularly vile.

In the middle east "ketchup flavor" chips were very popular and that should be a crime against humanity.

As for the food in the US, well, it's always tasted like cheap, processed products has it not? I don't ever remember it tasting different. Then again, I don't eat meat if it still resembles meat. Weird brain texture disconnect.

Also for chocolate. I don't find US chocolate and European chocolate to really be intended for the same type of products. Milk chocolate is much less rich and easy to take a huge bite from. Good for peanut butter filled stuff. European chocolate is my favorite though, but it would make my stomach churn to eat the same amount.

rainbow_dash said:
I've been all over the world and eaten many snacks. I'm also weird and any condiment tastes like absolute shit to me. I find mayo and mustard to be particularly vile.

In the middle east "ketchup flavor" chips were very popular and that should be a crime against humanity.

As for the food in the US, well, it's always tasted like cheap, processed products has it not? I don't ever remember it tasting different. Then again, I don't eat meat if it still resembles meat. Weird brain texture disconnect.

Also for chocolate. I don't find US chocolate and European chocolate to really be intended for the same type of products. Milk chocolate is much less rich and easy to take a huge bite from. Good for peanut butter filled stuff. European chocolate is my favorite though, but it would make my stomach churn to eat the same amount.

There's ketchup flavor Doritos in the US of A. I saw these at a local grocery store. 'Strangely', no one was buying them. Can't imagine why! *sarcasm*

Eating more than a bite (about an ounce?) of dark chocolate, yeah. I 'could', but that's crazy talk! BTW: I'm weird and like it bitter, and not in some recipe. Just plain bitter chunk of nearly black goodness.

alphamule said:
There's ketchup flavor Doritos in the US of A. I saw these at a local grocery store. 'Strangely', no one was buying them. Can't image why! *sarcasm*

Eating more than a bite (about an ounce?) of dark chocolate, yeah. I 'could', but that's crazy talk! BTW: I'm weird and like it bitter, and not in some recipe. Just plain bitter chunk of nearly black goodness.

I'm reminded of Coca Cola coffee. I tried it once, thought it was pretty gross and never got it again. Every time I see it in a store, the shelves are full.

Dark chocolate is nice.

chips are not chips. They air ;-;

and they taste like plastic

vy does not agree, he want chipp, not air ;-;

peacethroughpower said:
I'm reminded of Coca Cola coffee. I tried it once, thought it was pretty gross and never got it again. Every time I see it in a store, the shelves are full.

Dark chocolate is nice.

what were they thinking putting coffee into soooooodaaaaaaa uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh....they did that with Monster Energy Drinks too!
CAN YA NIT PUT COFFEE INTO CARBINATED DRINKS!!!

ayayay...
I want a key lime pie soda though, that sounds really good to me, does that exist!?

Ketchup is good.

I think a big part of the stuff tasting worse now is just that your standards for what passes as decent food gets higher as you've gained experience. it takes quite a long time to actually build a pallet, especially when a grand majority of your intake consists of instant/frozen/basic/pre-prepared/whatever meals, which is what a lot of the diet is for low/middle-class America.

closetpossum said:
what were they thinking putting coffee into soooooodaaaaaaa uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh....they did that with Monster Energy Drinks too!
CAN YA NIT PUT COFFEE INTO CARBINATED DRINKS!!!

ayayay...
I want a key lime pie soda though, that sounds really good to me, does that exist!?

Twist: They skipped a step on extracting the caffeine and it's always been made from coffee. j/k (It's synthetic caffeine?)
I guess that would be sorta like how Coca-cola technically still has coca leaf extract in it. They remove the 'active ingredient' but keep most of the flavor. Basically the opposite goal of energy drinks.

Yes, it exists. It's key lime seltzer, though.

sipothac said:
I think a big part of the stuff tasting worse now is just that your standards for what passes as decent food gets higher as you've gained experience. it takes quite a long time to actually build a pallet, especially when a grand majority of your intake consists of instant/frozen/basic/pre-prepared/whatever meals, which is what a lot of the diet is for low/middle-class America.

There's also the fact that as you get older, everything gets blander.

closetpossum said:
what were they thinking putting coffee into soooooodaaaaaaa uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh....they did that with Monster Energy Drinks too!
CAN YA NIT PUT COFFEE INTO CARBINATED DRINKS!!!

ayayay...
I want a key lime pie soda though, that sounds really good to me, does that exist!?

Monster coffee flavors are good, though. Coca Cola coffee is just two entirely contradictory flavors that don't blend well at all.