It has been roughly four years that I have been a member on this website. I don't claim being the oldest active member, but still, four years, even if it seems like it hasn't been that long, is quite a lot for sticking around the same website. e621 is pretty much the only gallery-based website where I invested time to upload images compared to any other places (By that I mean beside my personal galleries, I only sometimes upload to WildCritters, and that was two years after e621) that I found a long time ago. I knew some more gallery websites at that time, but e621 was the first one I noticed it has a tagging system, which I found genius and better to use than, let say, fchan for example.

I know I didn't contribute that much here, beside uploading quite a lot of pictures and sometimes editing the tags here and there, sourcing some pictures that needed it and added the artist name. I never really got involved with the community except for some rare forum posts and rare comments on pictures. I also managed to do an okay job for now, getting no warnings or negative records from a moderator since. I remember my first uploads, always being reposts. Then I slowly learned to check everything and make sure to only post new pictures, tag correctly, use the right artist name and etc.

I don't think I will be leaving the place anytime soon for now, so I will be continuing to upload here, for the best or the worst !

PS: Almost four years ago, I saw a forum topic about donations to e621 and I remember having donated 50$ (I still have the email) and if you did donate you would be able to get a rank up (Not sure about that, it's too old to be 100% sure) and I'm still waiting for mine !
PS2 : I seriously don't care about ranks and stuff like that, discard what I just said

cool! I hope i'm here for that long!

Only 4 years?

Four years, 1500+ uploads and 5000+ tag edits...but no greens.
Hrm. I still think that the admins are way too stingy with those.

Genjar said:
Four years, 1500+ uploads and 5000+ tag edits...but no greens.
Hrm. I still think that the admins are way too stingy with those.

True that, especially seeing how easy it is to rack up reds.
But seems you just managed to get him/her what they deserve, nice.

Jugofthat said:
True that, especially seeing how easy it is to rack up reds.
But seems you just managed to get him/her what they deserve, nice.

The simple answer to this is that it's just a lot easier to notice bad behavior than good behavior. This applies to basically everything in life.

Not to mention that the ticket system is pretty much full of only negative reports on users, and they're all from other users who are also noticing bad behavior more than good behavior.

You're completely allowed to use the reporting system for GOOD reports of other users as well, and doing so would help the admins out a lot for noticing good behavior, just like how it helps us notice the bad behavior.

I can actually do that? Wasn't aware, I thought reports were only meant for misbehavior. That's good to know, thanks!

What also factors in, I think, is that good behavior and especially the point at which one gets to be rewarded for that is a lot more subjective than doing stuff that's against the ToS.

I mean: you post something that's on the DNP list and has an avoid_posting implication, you get warned. Make that mistake once more with that artist, months later, even if it's on accident, and with some bad luck that gets you a -1 since that first strike is still on your record. Sometimes that person gets a third chance, but that seems randomly decided. Use some derogatory words in a heated discussion (which isn't a good thing, but we're all human), someone reports you and you can instantly get hit with a -1.

Good behavior on the other hand, is not only difficult to notice for the admins but also vaguely defined. I get the impression that a +1 is usually the result of a staff member's personal whim. Some get their first fairly quickly and then start accumulating them like mad for every helpful action (since they have the staff's attention, I suppose), while others never get to go anywhere.

And even the negative stuff sometimes is subject to chance. There are some genuinely awful people roaming the site that fully deserve what punishment they get, but I've also seen folks that normally are (decently) well-behaved get slapped around the ears multiple times for a few loose incidents.

But I digress. I'm definitely not saying I have no understanding for why things are like they are, this place has a huge userbase and it's impossibe to fairly keep track records on everyone. But... you know... it does feel unfairly balanced sometimes. Like the scales are tipped against you.

Just needed to ventilate that, I know you can't do much to help it. ;)

Jugofthat said:
Good behavior on the other hand, is not only difficult to notice for the admins but also vaguely defined. I get the impression that a +1 is usually the result of a staff member's personal whim. Some get their first fairly quickly and then start accumulating them like mad for every helpful action (since they have the staff's attention, I suppose), while others never get to go anywhere.

...

But I digress. I'm definitely not saying I have no understanding for why things are like they are, this place has a huge userbase and it's impossibe to fairly keep track records on everyone. But... you know... it does feel unfairly balanced sometimes. Like the scales are tipped against you.

That's how I feel too.
I've made a habit of submitting at least one positive ticket per month, but on the whole it feels like those don't achieve much.

Not to mention that I'm running out of users to recommend. I've already reported my top picks, and even they weren't good enough.

Genjar said:
That's how I feel too.
I've made a monthly habit of submitting at least one positive ticket per month, but on the whole it feels like those don't achieve much.

Not to mention that I'm running out of users to recommend. I've already reported my top picks, and even they weren't good enough.

If you feel that way, please let me know. I would be happy to assess them myself.

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
If you feel that way, please let me know. I would be happy to assess them myself.

Thanks. I'll do that, as soon as the tag histories are working again (so I can show some proof of why I feel they're worthy of positive feedback).

Does it have to be based on posts and tag history? I mean, hell, I'd recommend GarethGobulcoque just for being a consistently funny bastard even if he doesn't really do anything else. X)

By the way, I just noticed it's been about four years for me as well. Darn. But I was mostly a lurker until recently, so I can't really flaunt huge numbers. Oh well, I'll get to 1500 decent uploads in time. Or not.

Well, I really didn't expect and didn't plan on getting that +1 just so because I uploaded quite a lot and edited some pictures too. Or that's because I'm just too modest, I don't know.

I just wrote all that without any real intentions, basically because I noticed that "Hey, today's the same date as when I registered four years ago, I should celebrate !"

I'm still glad to have been able to get that +1. It's just a number yeah, but it is green so it must at least have some value

Been here almost 4 years and I've accomplished quite literally nothing.
Maybe some day.

Neitsuke said:
I'm still glad to have been able to get that +1. It's just a number yeah, but it is green so it must at least have some value

Surely it's just a number (that doesn't really do anything, unlike a rank or something), but it's also a motivating compliment.

Like, yesterday I uploaded a bunch of missing art from Ket Lesh's FA gallery, did it quite thoroughly with DTexted descriptions and shit, and the dude actually went through the effort to personally thank me via PM. He even gave me some art he's yet to upload as a reward.

Feels good, man. :3 Knowing that people appreciate what you do can really be a way to keep you going. It's not like you're getting paid for this.

A green mark is comparable, but since they're so rare it doubles as a badge of honor (if that doesn't sound overly dramatic). Others get to see you're apparently a pretty cool guy.

Peekaboo said:
3 years...
Now I feel almost sad over the amount of hours I've spent uploading and tagging stuff.

I've only been here for a year and I've also spent countless hours on tagging (I still do).

Neitsuke said:
Well, I really didn't expect and didn't plan on getting that +1 just so because I uploaded quite a lot and edited some pictures too. Or that's because I'm just too modest, I don't know.

I just wrote all that without any real intentions, basically because I noticed that "Hey, today's the same date as when I registered four years ago, I should celebrate !"

I'm still glad to have been able to get that +1. It's just a number yeah, but it is green so it must at least have some value

Yes it has value. We have over 200,000 members (maybe more) and less than 200 of those members have a green on their records.

TheHuskyK9 said:
I've only been here for a year and I've also spent countless hours on tagging (I still do).

Two years though, it looks like. Not that it matters, I'm still freaking out over your user data whenever I see it. How did you even manage to tag edit over three hundred thousand posts in such a short amount of time? o_O

Seriously, that's impossible. You'd have no time left to eat or sleep or poop. Are you per chance a robot?

Jugofthat said:
Two years though, it looks like. Not that it matters, I'm still freaking out over your user data whenever I see it. How did you even manage to tag edit over three hundred thousand posts in such a short amount of time? o_O

Seriously, that's impossible. You'd have no time left to eat or sleep or poop. Are you per chance a robot?

Nah, just your friendly husky :)

But seriously, all those edits you see there are ghost edits due to processing implications and aliases. Before the ghost edits, I was at 96,000 tag edits

Haha, don't worry, I know that green +1 number does have a lot of value in fact, I just really tried to be modest by saying that it's just a number so I shouldn't be that over reacting just for that. It's just a little hard to accept it when I had this mindset of always do my best and only upload because I feel like it, and not because I could get that rank up or some positive scores so I really never intended to ever get that. It's kind of like getting a money prize for being a great man because you always were donating your money to other people in need. It just feels, a little weird

Hooo! Almost three years for me! In just 40 days!

Ahhh... I remember my first green mark... I screwed up some time later (got a neutral for that, but I learned not to comment with 14+ Hrs without sleep)

I see 'em like " 'Sup! You doin' good! Keep it up! *green mark* " which is motivating

Almost 5 years, still done nothing of note.

TheHuskyK9 said:
Nah, just your friendly husky :)

But seriously, all those edits you see there are ghost edits due to processing implications and aliases. Before the ghost edits, I was at 96,000 tag edits

Not sure if I got all of that, but okie. :D

wow. I've almost been here 4 years now. I haven't uploaded that many pics or edited tags though. If I see something that's mistagged I usually fix it but I don't make a habit of hunting for them. :x

Been here for about four years (mainly not as a member, lol) and joined (last year, I think?) when my friend told me he had art on this site, then began my REAL interest in the fandom, and now I'm here.

AmericanExistence said:
I've been stalking this site since I was 14

why would you admit that...? <.=.>

Theclarinetist said:
why would you admit that...? <.=.>

Because I'm 18 now.

AmericanExistence said:
Because I'm 18 now.

still... o.=.e

Theclarinetist said:
still... o.=.e

Already talked to one of the admins about this... When I said it was my 18th birthday...

3 years for me. I need something better to do than lurk here.

Theclarinetist said:
why would you admit that...? <.=.>

When I was lead admin here, I once got an email from someone saying "a group of 7 to 11 year old boys were caught using this site on school grounds."

Char said:
You're completely allowed to use the reporting system for GOOD reports of other users as well, and doing so would help the admins out a lot for noticing good behavior, just like how it helps us notice the bad behavior.

I was told otherwise, you know.

Tunguska said:
I was told otherwise, you know.

By whom?

Char said:
When I was lead admin here, I once got an email from someone saying "a group of 7 to 11 year old boys were caught using this site on school grounds."

.....being a teacher myself.... that rustled my jimmes especially hard 0.=.0

Genjar said:
That's how I feel too.
I've made a habit of submitting at least one positive ticket per month, but on the whole it feels like those don't achieve much.

Not to mention that I'm running out of users to recommend. I've already reported my top picks, and even they weren't good enough.

Most of the time, if a user is doing well, we probably already know about it. If they haven't gotten a +1 yet, there's usually a pretty good reason. Not saying positive reports are useless, but odds are we are already watching the user mentioned. Worth noting, some of us are much more reluctant to give out kudos to users who brag about their deeds.

ippiki_ookami said:
Most of the time, if a user is doing well, we probably already know about it. If they haven't gotten a +1 yet, there's usually a pretty good reason.

I can't think of any reason good enough.

Think about how they feel when their first feedback after years of work is a red mark for a relatively minor offense. I've seen too many hard-working regulars quit after getting into negatives, and while I can't say it for sure, maybe they would've stayed if they had greens to balance those out.

And already having some reds on their record should not disqualify anyone from later getting positive feedback. If someone's been here for years and put in countless hours of unpaid work, it should be acknowledged.

Genjar said:
If someone's been here for years and put in countless hours of unpaid work, it should be acknowledged.

I'd agree here, but would also note that I don't think positive feedback from an admin would even need to be a +1. A neutral comment of something like:

"Thanks for helping add content to the site, just work on avoiding reposting."
"You've done a lot of tagging that we appreciate, but you need to tone things down in comments."
Etc.

Just a "we see that you're trying to help, but you have some areas that need improvement" type thing if that's what's keeping them from getting a positive.

It's weird when looking at profiles occasionally to see someone with 10 uploads, 2 forum posts, and 150 tag edits with a +1 for doing a good job, and then see someone with 1000 uploads, 200 forum posts, and 6000 tag edits with no record whatsoever.

I don't get the stinginess with the positives.
They don't actually do anything other than make someone feel appreciated.

Halite said:
I don't get the stinginess with the positives.
They don't actually do anything other than make someone feel appreciated.

That's pretty important for some people.

Nyteshade said:
I'd agree here, but would also note that I don't think positive feedback from an admin would even need to be a +1. A neutral comment of something like:

"Thanks for helping add content to the site, just work on avoiding reposting."
"You've done a lot of tagging that we appreciate, but you need to tone things down in comments."
Etc.

Just a "we see that you're trying to help, but you have some areas that need improvement" type thing if that's what's keeping them from getting a positive.

It's weird when looking at profiles occasionally to see someone with 10 uploads, 2 forum posts, and 150 tag edits with a +1 for doing a good job, and then see someone with 1000 uploads, 200 forum posts, and 6000 tag edits with no record whatsoever.

A neutral is typically a warning, I would hate to have that confused with good behavior. If people are doing good, then they get a positive record. It doesn't cost us anything but a few moments of our time.

If you see someone who does a good job, then let us know about it. If someone has 1000 uploads, 6000 tag edits, and 200 comments with no positive records, it's likely that everyone who has seen that also has not let us know.

This thread makes me wonder if I will be alive in 4 years.

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
That's pretty important for some people.
...

That's kinda what I meant.
As admins you have the ability to make someone's day by letting them know that their efforts are appreciated.
And it's not actually giving them any privileges or anything on the site, so I'm not sure why the mentality is that it should be something hard to earn.

I'm not saying give them out like candy, but maybe find some more good reasons to hand them out for people who have been doing good for the site.

Halite said:
That's kinda what I meant.
As admins you have the ability to make someone's day by letting them know that their efforts are appreciated.
And it's not actually giving them any privileges or anything on the site, so I'm not sure why the mentality is that it should be something hard to earn.

I'm not saying give them out like candy, but maybe find some more good reasons to hand them out for people who have been doing good for the site.

We don't want to do it too often where it holds no value and users with greens can make them eligible for future privileges like account upgrades. That's why it's something you have to earn.

I agree that we should be giving out way more positives than we are now, though.

Peekaboo said:
Probably the dumbest of ideas ever, at least in my opinion, but it's kinda fun imagining E6 using badges for users, like some websites already do, Roosterteeth among others.

"Created a wiki entry" badge awarded for creating a wiki, "Veteran tagger!" badge awarded for tagging 10,000 images etc.
Not saying it would replace the current record system, but a badge/achievement system would certainly give incentive for users to become active and helpful.

do you mean like if for example: I added translation notes to 5,000 images from Spanish to English it would say for this achievement "increíble número de solicitud de traducción" reached and give a +1?

Peekaboo said:
"Created a wiki entry" badge awarded for creating a wiki, "Veteran tagger!" badge awarded for tagging 10,000 images etc.
Not saying it would replace the current record system, but a badge/achievement system would certainly give incentive for users to become active and helpful.

I'm not really a fan of an automated recognition system. When you have those then there are a lot of people that will play the system to get the badges. Yes, abusers can be reported/punished, but in general it adds far more trouble for admins than it is worth.

It is true that having goals and achievements to aim for helps keep up motivation though. However, I think that doing that motivation should be on the part of the user - set your own goals and track your own milestones.

Peekaboo said:
No, the badges would be separate from the records. They would just be something to make tagging and maintaining the site fun to do, give the user something to strive for, since these achievements/badges would have specific requirements.
Maybe just list or section on your profile where the badges could be displayed.

Maybe it's a silly concept for a website that basically is a image gallery, but I think it'd add a lot of reason for peeps to actually care about tagging and working on improving the site.

I actually agree a lot with this... well then I guess you have my support...

Well, according to my Join Date im here for 4 years as well.

Woah. I never thought that im visiting this site for so long. Felt more like two years or so. Almost every day since i created this account, and a few months before that.

But time passes when you are having a good time i guess :3

I count when I joined in March last year as the official date that I 'joined' the fandom (or started lurking anyway). I prefer this site to FA and such because it's more intolerant to the kind of furry shit I'm uncomfortable with e.g. creepy roleplay etc.

I barely upload/edit etc and I don't plan on being more productive/useful soon so I'm basically useless traffic! Yaaay!