Aliasing dj → djing
Link to alias

Reason:

It's practically impossible to tell if a character is a DJ unless they are actively DJing

Further Explanation:
It's pretty hard to just look at a character and say "oh yeah...that's a DJ"...they don't really have a uniform like a cop or a construction worker. Of course most of them wear headphones, and have maybe a hipster or grunge look, but those things don't make them a DJ...they could just as easily be a audiophile who's never DJed in their life. The only way to really tell is for them to actually be DJing...so instead of tagging DJ we should be tagging the act of DJing.

This distinction might also help cut down on confusion where people are tagging characters as DJs because they know they are DJs (which is TWYK) instead of using TWYS like they should.

EDIT: The tag alias dj -> disc_jockey (forum #234496) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.

EDIT: The tag alias dj -> disc_jockey (forum #234496) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.

-1. That doesn't make sense. To DJ is just to act as a DJ, meaning that while they're doing whatever is causing the tag, they're making it accurate. It doesn't imply, or need to imply, that it's their profession any more than tagging them as a dom for instance needs to imply that they do that as a job. The better solution is for people to not tag things they can't see, like the lore-based profession of a character not currently engaging in that activity.

notnobody said:
That doesn't make sense. To DJ is just to act as a DJ, meaning that while they're doing whatever is causing the tag, they're making it accurate

This is exactly my point, if the proof of being a DJ is DJing, then why isn't the tag just DJing? If two characters are playing tennis we don't tag that as "tennis_player" we tag it as "tennis". DJing should be the same.

notnobody said:
The better solution is for people to not tag things they can't see, like the lore-based profession of a character not currently engaging in that activity.

That would be great, but that's not the reality of it. In reality many people use what they KNOW about a character instead of what they can see.

The character that really brought this problem to life for me, and maybe I should have included this in my first post, is lupine_assassin. There are TONS of images of this character that are tagged as DJ when he is NOT DJing in them at all! TONS. Here is a small sample:

post #82349 post #98587 post #82346 post #78607

In none of these is he DJing...unless simply wearing headphones is enough to make you a DJ...in that case we should probably just implicate headphones -> DJ (kidding).

Anyways...the fact that this problem happens so much (with Vinyl Scratch too) shows there is a fundamental flaw with the tag. We need to set up the tag in such a way that makes it clear the character has to be actively DJing or else this problem will persist.

I get the idea of the remediation, but I don't think that solves the problem - especially with an alias in place. Every person who keeps breaking the twyk rule and mistagging DJ is still going to; the only difference will be that it'll automatically change it to DJing, which will be even more wrong, and they probably won't notice half of the time (clearly they aren't that observant, or they wouldn't be making the mistake in the first place). On top of that, it's just a really weird verb in general, especially in a system that does everything in lower case. It would come out as "djing," which just looks like some weird unknown word that's pronounced "duh-jing" or something. Truthfully, since the term is borderline meaningless to begin with, I think the way better solution would just be to invalidate it and just tag the turntable object instead. It would coincide almost always with valid uses of the DJ tag, never with invalid uses, and catch a vaguely noteworthy image aspect that might appear otherwise.

What visually identifiable actions do DJs perform?

BlueDingo said:
What visually identifiable actions do DJs perform?

Operate turntables.

cfgv said:
Operate turntables.

Do we have a tag for that specific action? I'm sure anyone with functioning arms can perform that action and not every instance of that action would be DJing.

BlueDingo said:
What visually identifiable actions do DJs perform?

Be located near audio equipment including something that contains songs, such as a record or computer, and a device that plays them, such as a record player or computer again, with the ability to select which song is playing. A launchpad may substitute both of these things.

notnobody said:
Every person who keeps breaking the twyk rule and mistagging DJ is still going to; the only difference will be that it'll automatically change it to DJing, which will be even more wrong, and they probably won't notice half of the time

It's more noticeably wrong than DJ...at least if they notice the change they'll think "oh, well, uh, I guess no one is really DJing...I'll remove the tag..."

notnobody said:
It would come out as "djing," which just looks like some weird unknown word that's pronounced "duh-jing" or something

Yeah...that kind of sucks. I'm open to suggestions on the tag as "djing" does look kind of weird without capitalization. Maybe "disc_jockeying"? And before you say "jockeying" isn't a real word it's in the Oxford English Dictionary

notnobody said:
Truthfully, since the term is borderline meaningless to begin with, I think the way better solution would just be to invalidate it and just tag the turntable object instead.

Why is it meaningless? Anyways, the problem with that is DJing doesn't necessarily include a turntable. It's the most common for sure, but if a character is messing with a mixer or a laptop they could be said to be DJing as well depending on the context of the image.

Dyrone said:
It's more noticeably wrong than DJ...at least if they notice the change they'll think "oh, well, uh, I guess no one is really DJing...I'll remove the tag..."

If

Who was going to say jockeying wasn't a word? It's a common word. And it's well-used in the term disc jockey. People playing playlists on pieces of solid state computing equipment and calling themselves disc jockeys is a sort of frustrating modern bastardization of the term though. It's why the term is mostly meaningless these days. It's not a lot of use when it just means "anyone playing any recorded music for anyone or anything ever." We're all deejays when we're drunk walking up to the touch tunes machine at the bar. It's just too vague to meaningfully tag. Better off just pointing out the items that it has something to do with in the situation.

notnobody said:
It's not a lot of use when it just means "anyone playing any recorded music for anyone or anything ever." We're all deejays when we're drunk walking up to the touch tunes machine at the bar. It's just too vague to meaningfully tag. Better off just pointing out the items that it has something to do with in the situation.

"anyone can be a lumberjack because anyone can break a branch off a tree! The term is now MEANINGLESS." That's you right now.

There is an obvious difference between a professional or even semi-professional DJ and someone just hitting play on an iTunes playlist. A lot of furry images ten to depict the former because they want to project the image that WOW this party is so amazing that they have a real DJ! There aren't a lot of pictures of a furry hitting play on a jukebox. The tag in some form is still useful.

If everyone is cool with "jockeying" then the alias should be:

dj -> disc_jockeying
djing -> disc_jockeying

Someone is going to very likely notice the switch between the very short dj and the longer disc_jockeying and they'll correct their mistake if there is no actual disc jockeying going on.

That's totally not me right now. The huge difference is, every asshole with an axe and a flannel doesn't call themselves a lumberjack, but every asshole with a Macbook and a PA does call themselves a DJ.

I'm with kamimatsu in not agreeing that the proposed alias would be noticed by every user, meaning that people who were already ignoring the tag guidelines would just keep at it and create an even weirder problem. I think the better move would be to fix it manually and keep an eye on it, or invalidate it and tag the relevant equipment as appropriate.

The tag alias dj -> disc_jockey (forum #234496) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.

The tag alias dj -> disc_jockey (forum #234496) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.