I merely have a question about certain old art posts that seemed to have gone recently.

I tried researching awhile about this topic before asking, but I couldn’t find anything obvious. I noticed the other day when I tried looking up posts for dancer_of_the_boreal_valley the bulk of past uploads are missing. I could be mistaken, but it also feels like maybe some Queen Tyr'ahnee posts from Duck Dodgers disappeared recently as well. I tend to look up these characters every few months along with a list of other faves.

I know this site is mainly furry content focused, but I assume the above characters simply far under monster & alien class characters, and should still fit the content of the site fairly well enough? I have no real idea what is up, so I just wanted some clarification!

https://e621.net/posts?tags=dancer_of_the_boreal_valley+status%3Adeleted
https://e621.net/posts?tags=queen_tyr%27ahnee+status%3Adeleted

it looks like they are being deleted for being human only which seems a little strange for queen tyr'ahnee as she is a martian (and hylians are still allowed and have the same level of discrepancy.) you could probably ask those that have deleted them for a better answer

you could still find them at https://tbib.org/index.php?page=post&s=list

fliphook said:
it looks like they are being deleted for being human only which seems a little strange for queen tyr'ahnee as she is a martian (and hylians are still allowed and have the same level of discrepancy.) you could probably ask those that have deleted them for a better answer

Lore is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if she's called a martian or demon or whatever else, what matters is what she looks like in a given image. hylians get a pass because of the technicality that they have slightly pointy ears (a fact that annoys some of us as that's such a small easily overlooked detail and they largely look and are thought of as human otherwise), but if a character looks like a normal human (or stylized human; skin color not considered), a human wearing a mask or suit, etc, it's treated as human.

watsit said:
Lore is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if she's called a martian or demon or whatever else, what matters is what she looks like in a given image. hylians get a pass because of the technicality that they have slightly pointy ears (a fact that annoys some of us as that's such a small easily overlooked detail and they largely look and are thought of as human otherwise), but if a character looks like a normal human (or stylized human; skin color not considered), a human wearing a mask or suit, etc, it's treated as human.

Neither character I listed looks like a human. Queen Tyr'ahnee has no mouth or ears, and the Dancer Boss from Dark Souls looks like a giant monster suit of living armor with no obvious human parts shown. So even going off pure appearances it doesn't make logic to classify these 2 as merely human.

watsit said:
Lore is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if she's called a martian or demon or whatever else, what matters is what she looks like in a given image. hylians get a pass because of the technicality that they have slightly pointy ears (a fact that annoys some of us as that's such a small easily overlooked detail and they largely look and are thought of as human otherwise), but if a character looks like a normal human (or stylized human; skin color not considered), a human wearing a mask or suit, etc, it's treated as human.

but the martians have no mouth which is different to what humans do have. i could understand it if the image was drawn with a mouth but everyone knows thats a staple to their anatomy, similar to hylians and their pointed ears. both martians and hylians are also not people of earth thus not humans. so i think she should at least stay

oh but then the dancer she is/was a human(oid) creature from a 'different' world. then that means all humans in the souls verse would be allowed. hmm...

well the dancer is an Irithyllian, hybrids between the race of the gods of Anor Londo and humans. but if we can't use lore and just use what she looks like she already has inhuman anatomy with her long and lanky appendages which is more than just pointy ears

edit: @Nowherelord-Sozo, i was researching this and submitted my comment a little too late after but yeah they aren't human they should stay

fliphook said:
but the martians have no mouth which is different to what humans do have. i could understand it if the image was drawn with a mouth but everyone knows thats a staple to their anatomy, similar to hylians and their pointed ears. both martians and hylians are also not people of earth thus not humans. so i think she should at least stay

so, if I just took like, let's say krillin, and airbrushed his mouth off would he no longer be a human? he'd have the exact same facial features as queen_tyr'ahnee at that point. no nose, no mouth, just eyes.

nowherelord-sozo said:
Neither character I listed looks like a human. Queen Tyr'ahnee has no mouth or ears, and the Dancer Boss from Dark Souls looks like a giant monster suit of living armor with no obvious human parts shown.

They look quite human to me. post #4229482 looks like a masked human, and post #4397070 looks like a human. If you showed those to a person unfamiliar with the franchises, most would think they were humans. Considering anthros and humanoids are based on humans, they have obvious human-like qualities (humanoid hands, feet, body shape, etc), but it's the non-human qualities that makes characters relevant to the site. Keep in mind the simpsons are considered human, despite how deformed they are. It's less about a character having "obvious human parts", but more about not having obvious non-human parts.

watsit said:
They look quite human to me. post #4229482 looks like a masked human, and post #4397070 looks like a human. If you showed those to a person unfamiliar with the franchises, most would think they were humans. Considering anthros and humanoids are based on humans, they have obvious human-like qualities (humanoid hands, feet, body shape, etc), but it's the non-human qualities that makes characters relevant to the site. Keep in mind the simpsons are considered human, despite how deformed they are. It's less about a character having "obvious human parts", but more about not having obvious non-human parts.

I never seen anybody before who thought they look just like humans. Both really look like shadow humanoid monster types to me. Calling them merely recolored humans feels like a big stretch to me personally. Regardless of that, I have my answer now for what happened. I don't agree with the reasoning behind the removal, but I don't want to really fight over it.

sipothac said:
so, if I just took like, let's say krillin, and airbrushed his mouth off would he no longer be a human? he'd have the exact same facial features as queen_tyr'ahnee at that point. no nose, no mouth, just eyes.

hold on im thinking here and i don't know where i'll end up. give me a minute (or a day)
the post #4229482 this one does actually look human (there is no banana for scale to show her true size)(she also has rather properly proportioned anatomy) so that could be understandable. i also have not checked all the images that have been deleted because just jumping in to 'defend' is easier than fact checking so kind of changing opinions on the dancer posts

still thinking about the queen...

fliphook said:
the post #4229482 this one does actually look human (there is no banana for scale to show her true size)(she also has rather properly proportioned anatomy) so that could be understandable. i also have not checked all the images that have been deleted because just jumping in to 'defend' is easier than fact checking so kind of changing opinions on the dancer posts

Not being able to consider lore whatsoever does make it hard with allowing us to make a augment for it. The armor is technically part of her skin in lore from what I understand along with the monstrous lanky limbs in the official design. I could understand somebody might think those parts are simply removable armor despite it not being the case. But if this is the final result on the subject, then that does also make it confusing if I could even upload art of my own jelly knight characters in the future here... FYI they are humanoid slimes that grow armor out of their skin.

nowherelord-sozo said:
Not being able to consider lore whatsoever does make it hard with allowing us to make a augment for it. The armor is technically part of her skin in lore from what I understand along with the monstrous lanky limbs in the official design. I can understand somebody might think those parts are simply removable armor despite it not being the case. But if this is the final on this subject, then that does make it confusing if I could even upload art of my own jelly knight characters in the future here... AKA they are humanoid slimes that grow armor out of their skin.

yeah it is tag what you see here so unless there is something to prove her inhuman-ness she is just a human with a weird complexion.

your humanoid slimes could be fine if you have a drip from them every once and awhile

if they are part of a comic series showing that they are slimes in one page would allow for them to look more human perfect in the others but only in the pools or parent/child related posts, solo character images would need better context

sipothac said:
so, if I just took like, let's say krillin, and airbrushed his mouth off would he no longer be a human? he'd have the exact same facial features as queen_tyr'ahnee at that point. no nose, no mouth, just eyes.

i don't like thinking, i almost had something...
...this may take a while

fliphook said:
i don't like thinking, i almost had something...
...this may take a while

I would say that even comparing her to Krillin doesn't work well, because it isn't just the nose, the queen has no ears too along with having a non-human color. It is all the features combined that make her look not human. But I have nothing to say if a character must have a clear feature that is nonhuman, and if missing human features doesn't count... which implies even if a character has no eyes that also can't be counted.

nowherelord-sozo said:
I would say that even comparing her to Krillin doesn't work well, because it isn't just the nose, the queen has no ears too along with having a non-human color. It is all the features combined that make her look not human. But I have nothing to say if a character must have a clear feature that is nonhuman, and if missing human features doesn't count... which implies even if a character has no eyes that also can't be counted.

what did i have umm...
krillin with no mouth would just be for comedic effect but it is tag what you see and with my previous logic a solo image of him with no mouth would be allowed. but based on artistic style choices everyone would agree that would just be done for the comedic effect alone and would be agreed that its just a human drawn funny

the queen though (again i haven't seen all the images) are all drawn without her mouth because martian anatomy (and one less detail to worry about so who'd want to put effort for that) so i do still stand that she should stay unless you cannot see her face thats when it would just look like a human cosplaying her when viewed from the back or with her head out of frame/obscured

nowherelord-sozo said:
I would say that even comparing her to Krillin doesn't work well, because it isn't just the nose, the queen has no ears too along with having a non-human color. It is all the features combined that make her look not human. But I have nothing to say if a character must have a clear feature that is nonhuman, and if missing human features doesn't count... which implies even if a character has no eyes that also can't be counted.

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