Topic: Upvoting and Favoriting.

Posted under General

Now, this has been talked about before, but most people want to combine favorites and upvotes somehow. I don't think this should be done, because they should have their seperate uses, and having them show the score combined or making one do the other kinda gets rid of the purpose. But there are WAY more favorites then likes on posts. Why is this? Well, you could say that you can't down-favorite to cancel it out, but you can't for likes, but if you look at some of the posts, that doesn't seem like the case for most. I think it is because you can favorite OUTSIDE of the image site, and the button is a little easier to press when inside of it. Now, that's fine and all, but that makes it seem like favoriting means "I like this post," where upvoting means "I REALLY like this post," and that seems a little off. I feel like it should be the other way around. The only way to do that is make it so that you can like the post outside of the post, and make the upvote button a little bigger. But, that's not really nessicary, because it just changes the meanings of upvoting and favoriting. And some people might consider that favoriting means that you like it less than upvoting. So, I wanted to see if anyone thought that upvotes mean that you like it more than favorites, or that maybe that's NOT why favoriting happens more.

Also, this is my first time posting in the forum, so if I did something wrong, PLEASE let me know. I looked at this, and it wasn't very helpful. XD

Updated by FibS

Now, this has been talked about before, but most people want to combine favorites and upvotes somehow

Is this actually true, and how can you tell? Pretty sure at least one admin has pointed out that most of our 200000+ users never post or comment at all.

Anyway, there have been threads about this in the past (the recent past, even), and one reasonable conclusion you can come to from reading them is that people use the two functions in a wild range of ways. At least a few janitors have posted saying this is fine, the functions really don't have a strictly defined purpose.

Updated by anonymous

SkylanderFetish said:
Now, this has been talked about before, but most people want to combine favorites and upvotes somehow.

I've never heard anyone ever talk about this. And I've been here for several years. (That makes me wonder actually... How old is this account)

But yea I've never heard anyone ask for this sort of thing. This seems like something no one would benefit from. I can't imagine it being a good idea for anyone.

And onto this:

SkylanderFetish said:
favoriting means "I like this post," where upvoting means "I REALLY like this post,"

That is not how anyone favorites things. At least in my experience. The only posts in my "favorites" are either of extremely good art example:

Condensed into section so if you don't care about my examples you can skip them.

post #555751

Or posts that I want to be able to find easily if I want to reference them for some reason. For example:

post #861539

I can never remember how to spell his name so I have it in my favorites.

What you are saying (favoriting pictures you like, and upvoting pictures you love) sounds like the exact opposite of what most people would do. It's much harder to find your favorite pictures through upvotes than it is to look through your favorites. So why would anyone do that?

I'm not trying to be rude, but I think all this might have come from a delusional dream you had. Cause all of this seems extremely counter-intuitive

Updated by anonymous

Well, to skip to the point for me:
+1 (like) = I visually enjoyed the image (I like it).
+1 & favorited = I visually enjoyed the image and wish to see it again.
Favorited = I wish to remind myself of its presence (context sensitive, like a tag I wish to touch apon later); I remove favorites I didn't like with this intent afterwards, or I like it in case of BVAS that I didn't notice.

And, for intents and purposes, I won't mention why I downvote...

Updated by anonymous

Cynosure said:
I've never heard anyone ever talk about this. And I've been here for several years. (That makes me wonder actually... How old is this account)

I've been here for just under two years and I have seen it. There was a thread here in the forums just a few months ago asking to make that very thing into a feature.

@OP, I favorite pics if I like the overall content of the picture. I upvote if I think the quality is really good. There are a few pics I've favorited and downvoted because even though I liked the pics overall there were things I didn't like about the quality. Like you, I believe these two features need to remain separate, and I'm glad that attempts to merge them in the past have been unsuccessful.

Updated by anonymous

Different people use it in different ways. Here's how I use it.

InannaEloah said:
Like you, I believe these two features need to remain separate, and I'm glad that attempts to merge them in the past have been unsuccessful.

Even the one that was optional and disabled by default?

Updated by anonymous

// ==UserScript==
// @name        ESFav++
// @namespace   Lance_Armstrong
// @include     http://e621.net/post/show/*
// @include     https://e621.net/post/show/*
// @include     http://e926.net/post/show/*
// @include     https://e926.net/post/show/*
// @version     1.01
// @grant       none
// ==/UserScript==
// Repositions the +Favorite button and makes it automatically upvote the image
var li = document.getElementById("add-to-favs");
if (li)
{
  li.style.position = "fixed";
  li.style.right = "0";
  li.style.bottom = "50%";
  li.style.width = "auto";
  li.style.fontSize = "28pt";
  li.style.opacity = "0.8";
  var li = li.children[0];
  if (document.getElementById("voteup").className != "greentext")
  {
     li.setAttribute("onclick",li.getAttribute("onclick").replace("return false;",document.getElementById("voteup").getAttribute("onclick")));
  }
}

Updated by anonymous

SkylanderFetish said:
Now, this has been talked about before, but most people want to combine favorites and upvotes somehow. I don't think this should be done, because they should have their seperate uses, and having them show the score combined or making one do the other kinda gets rid of the purpose. But there are WAY more favorites then likes on posts. Why is this? Well, you could say that you can't down-favorite to cancel it out, but you can't for likes, but if you look at some of the posts, that doesn't seem like the case for most. I think it is because you can favorite OUTSIDE of the image site, and the button is a little easier to press when inside of it. Now, that's fine and all, but that makes it seem like favoriting means "I like this post," where upvoting means "I REALLY like this post," and that seems a little off. I feel like it should be the other way around. The only way to do that is make it so that you can like the post outside of the post, and make the upvote button a little bigger. But, that's not really nessicary, because it just changes the meanings of upvoting and favoriting. And some people might consider that favoriting means that you like it less than upvoting. So, I wanted to see if anyone thought that upvotes mean that you like it more than favorites, or that maybe that's NOT why favoriting happens more.

I am with you on the fact that upvoting is like the "I like this. Good job." Well favoring is "I like this and want to save it for later."

Updated by anonymous

I upvote images that are drawn well even if they're not my favorites.

For me, upvoting is artistic, favoriting is pettiness.

Updated by anonymous