My second post was removed through "Does not meet minimum quality standards". Please tell me this standarts (size) for pictures so as not will "Does not meet minimum quality standards". Sorry for my bad English.

there's a difference between quality and resolution

Knotty_Curls said:
there's a difference between quality and resolution

ok please tell me what quality that they need

gorilka said:
ok please tell me what quality that they need

It should look professional, for starters. It should look like it was drawn by a competent (even amateurish) individual rather than a child.

gorilka said:
ok please tell me what quality that they need

https://e621.net/forum/show/87180

Knotty_Curls said:
https://e621.net/forum/show/87180

Thank you

Seeing that your latest posts contain SFM pictures with models it might be interesting that someone states that the rules for 3d-ish pictures are differently validated by the approvers since it has different criteria, for further knowledge of why and how it was judged you can send a message to NotMeNotYou (The deleter of the post)

Just_Another_Dragon said:
Seeing that your latest posts contain SFM pictures with models it might be interesting that someone states that the rules for 3d-ish pictures are differently validated by the approvers since it has different criteria, for further knowledge of why and how it was judged you can send a message to NotMeNotYou (The deleter of the post)

ok thank you too

I have a Curious Question, why is it that when i post images i have made in either SFM or Gmod, they get removed, but when other users do exactly what i do they are allowed?

Like is there some sort of Favoritism going on here, is it moderators not doing their job correctly ect.

Because i find it really Hypocritical that my posts get deleted for the reason that it is a screen shot when logic dictates that everything on here is screen shotted in order too post too begin with, so why people posting the exact same content as i was posting with the same quality and so forth gets allowed, but whenever i post my own things it gets removed, i would LOVE some clarification on that as it is unfair that mods are doing that.

Thank you for taking the time too look over my concern.

Kuro-The-Umbreon said:
I have a Curious Question, why is it that when i post images i have made in either SFM or Gmod, they get removed, but when other users do exactly what i do they are allowed?

Like is there some sort of Favoritism going on here, is it moderators not doing their job correctly ect.

Because i find it really Hypocritical that my posts get deleted for the reason that it is a screen shot when logic dictates that everything on here is screen shotted in order too post too begin with, so why people posting the exact same content as i was posting with the same quality and so forth gets allowed, but whenever i post my own things it gets removed, i would LOVE some clarification on that as it is unfair that mods are doing that.

Thank you for taking the time too look over my concern.

Screenshots get deleted, that's really all there is to it. Why this one was approved is beyond me, but they pretty much always get deleted.

ippiki_ookami said:
Screenshots get deleted, that's really all there is to it. Why this one was approved is beyond me, but they pretty much always get deleted.

Okay but by that logic, everything that was Made in SFM should never have been approved because 90% of time these are pre existing models, and you are virtually using the program itself too capture the image, by that logic wouldn't that not be the case.

Kuro-The-Umbreon said:
Okay but by that logic, everything that was Made in SFM should never have been approved because 90% of time these are pre existing models, and you are virtually using the program itself too capture the image, by that logic wouldn't that not be the case.

That's typically the difficulty. If it's of decent quality, it'll pass. However, most of the submissions are below acceptable quality and typically get deleted. There is no favoritism going on, but if you dispute the actions of the moderator who deleted the post, you are welcome to contact me so I can investigate it and find out if there was anything shady going on.

Typically, if the moderator was at fault, it was due to poor communication on our end. Things happen, we are all mortal after all.

Kuro-The-Umbreon said:
Okay but by that logic, everything that was Made in SFM should never have been approved because 90% of time these are pre existing models, and you are virtually using the program itself too capture the image, by that logic wouldn't that not be the case.

I agree 100%.

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
That's typically the difficulty. If it's of decent quality, it'll pass. However, most of the submissions are below acceptable quality and typically get deleted. There is no favoritism going on, but if you dispute the actions of the moderator who deleted the post, you are welcome to contact me so I can investigate it and find out if there was anything shady going on.

Typically, if the moderator was at fault, it was due to poor communication on our end. Things happen, we are all mortal after all.

Well it was quite a while ago this happend too me and i doubt the option too dispute it would still be there but i can assure you ive read the posting guidelines and there is Zero Compression that was visible in this image.

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
That's typically the difficulty. If it's of decent quality, it'll pass. However, most of the submissions are below acceptable quality and typically get deleted. There is no favoritism going on, but if you dispute the actions of the moderator who deleted the post, you are welcome to contact me so I can investigate it and find out if there was anything shady going on.

Typically, if the moderator was at fault, it was due to poor communication on our end. Things happen, we are all mortal after all.

If you would like i can Link you directly too my DA account and show you the image in question, or one of them, and you can see and judge for yourself.

ippiki_ookami said:
I agree 100%.

I mean i can semi understand why SFM is generally excused because if you think about it, sometimes the Models don't exist on for example SFMLab or SFM Workshop on steam, and people Take the files from a game that someone managed too extract Which i had someone very recently teach me how to do, as well as making IK Skeleton rigs for these models.

In that regard i can see why SFM gets excused so often but realistically if the rules are no screenshots than SFM should not be getting away with it, Animations i agree are a totally different story, because it takes time to even doa simple 60 second animation ive watched video and just doing one sequence and perfecting it can take 10 hours or more.

Kuro-The-Umbreon said:
If you would like i can Link you directly too my DA account and show you the image in question, or one of them, and you can see and judge for yourself.

As Admin, I can see deleted posts. I do agree that it should have been taken down as it was below our standards for resolution and image artifacts.

Kuro-The-Umbreon said:
I mean i can semi understand why SFM is generally excused because if you think about it, sometimes the Models don't exist on for example SFMLab or SFM Workshop on steam, and people Take the files from a game that someone managed too extract Which i had someone very recently teach me how to do, as well as making IK Skeleton rigs for these models.

In that regard i can see why SFM gets excused so often but realistically if the rules are no screenshots than SFM should not be getting away with it, Animations i agree are a totally different story, because it takes time to even doa simple 60 second animation ive watched video and just doing one sequence and perfecting it can take 10 hours or more.

Our rules have to pertain to everything, but just one form of media. Our rules have always allowed exceptional quality because, in all things, we are an imageboard. Being someone who decides quality posts is not easy, and there is plenty of room for inconsistency, but we do the best job we can. If something gets deleted that you don't believe should have been, you're welcome to contact me.

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
As Admin, I can see deleted posts. I do agree that it should have been taken down as it was below our standards for resolution and image artifacts.

Our rules have to pertain to everything, but just one form of media. Our rules have always allowed exceptional quality because, in all things, we are an imageboard. Being someone who decides quality posts is not easy, and there is plenty of room for inconsistency, but we do the best job we can. If something gets deleted that you don't believe should have been, you're welcome to contact me.

Okay but the issue here is there is Zero Compression in this image, it was the Raw HD format so it is physically impossible there was Compression of any form unless the site itself compressed it because i can view my own image Zero compression period from the raw file.

Kuro-The-Umbreon said:
Okay but the issue here is there is Zero Compression in this image, it was the Raw HD format so it is physically impossible there was Compression of any form unless the site itself compressed it because i can view my own image Zero compression period from the raw file.

No compression != high quality. Many, MANY things factor into an image's quality, like general artistic skill, posting, lighting, content, etc etc etc. All DarkAngel isn't saying it has bad compression, he's saying it wasn't of high enough quality to be excepted.

For the sake of clarity and discussion, these were the images that were deleted so far: 1, 2, and 3 (last one was actually deleted for being irrelevant to site).

parasprite said:
For the sake of clarity and discussion, these were the images that were deleted so far: 1, 2, and 3 (last one was actually deleted for being irrelevant to site).

Okay but i hardly see what is compressed or low quality with the first post, there is Zero compression period, i even went as far as too smooth the models rough edges with a 3D Modeling Program, so i honestly can not trust your opinion on the quality of the image because i have been working with 3D modeling software for practicaly my whole life, i have a very clear under standing of what low resolution, and high resolution is, and i have full understandign what compression is and what it does, i only use PNG format that is a raw uncompressed file format, hate too say it, but i honestly question your knowledge on resolution Detail.

Because that is far from compressed, just because it doesn't have all these Fancy Post processing effects, doesn't give you the right too say its low resolution because it certainly is not, i have seen posts on here that are borderline train wrecks and get approved, that shows there is a flaw in the post managements system.

Further more just because you say its easy to do, doesn't even merit a response because how do you know?

For example, i had too open both those models in blender, i smoothed the textures a bit which took 2 hours too do, i had too give the models additional bones and joints and increase their rotation limits, and having too deal with the models spazzing out at even the slightest movement of ur mouse making precise control nearly impossible too achieve overall it took rouhgly 4 hours too get it in the correct spot, but of course you say everything is easy because it's done digitally right?

Personally the thought process of most of the admins disgusts me sorry too say, not insulting the admins as Individuals, but the quality of their job on the site is poor.

I See thousands of Train wreck posts of much lower quality than any of those 3 images combined, meanwhile those get openly accepted.

You consider it not art, your interpretation of art is something drawn on paper.

Well guess what, i'm going too get philosophical on ya now, Would you say the perfected Stance and sword work, of a master swordsman isn't Art?

Would you say random acts of inspiration isn't artful?

Would you say the very nature of lifes existence isn't artful?

No, no you would not if you know what the true meaning of art means, Art can be found in everything and anything, Art can be found within the words and phrases used in an intellectual argument.

Therefore it is physically impossible for something to not be artful.

Like honestly it is common sense, which seems to be a very rare thing to come across in this world these days...

Do with that as you may and have a nice day.

Kuro-The-Umbreon said:
have a nice day.

Oh I will

I will

The models look like poopoo and the lighting makes Toy Story 1 look like a masterpiece.

That's about it.

Peekaboo said:
The models look like poopoo and the lighting makes Toy Story 1 look like a masterpiece.

That's about it.

Lol Better than what you would normally find at the time.

Peekaboo said:
The models look like poopoo and the lighting makes Toy Story 1 look like a masterpiece.

That's about it.

And what lighting, that was the Default lighting on the map that was used, add any other light source and it would virtually bleach the screen.

Course you wouldn't know because you don't work with Digital modeling right?

Typical Know it all Attitude..

Kuro-The-Umbreon said:
Course you wouldn't know because you don't work with Digital modeling right?

Typical Know it all Attitude..

Oh, the irony

Kuro-The-Umbreon said:
Course you wouldn't know because you don't work with Digital modeling right?

Typical Know it all Attitude..

It's not like I had a three year education for game development.

Oh well. \_(ツ)_/

Kuro-The-Umbreon said:

Would you say the very nature of lifes existence isn't artful?

No, no you would not if you know what the true meaning of art means, Art can be found in everything and anything, Art can be found within the words and phrases used in an intellectual argument.

The definition of art says

1.
the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.

2.
the various branches of creative activity, such as painting, music, literature, and dance.

3.
subjects of study primarily concerned with human creativity and social life, such as languages, literature, and history (as contrasted with scientific or technical subjects).

4.
a skill at doing a specified thing, typically one acquired through practice.

By the very definition, anything not created by an intelligence is not "art", nature is literally just a couple billion years of pure luck.

With that said I deleted all of your uploads, one was deleted because it was irrelevant (human on slenderman), the other two have low quality models and scenes.
It's nice that you touched the models up a bit, but they need more work to be considered good.

For example this one has broken ankles (both of them), skirt is clipping (into itself and into absol's leg), inside of her elbows has additional bends, outside of the elbow is a slant instead of being round, the paw clips through the hair, the hind legs of absol seem broken, and I have no idea what that penis thing is supposed to be, a burned tube of flesh? That doesn't look remotely like the texture used for a penis.

Kuro-The-Umbreon said:
Okay but i hardly see what is compressed or low quality with the first post, there is Zero compression period, i even went as far as too smooth the models rough edges with a 3D Modeling Program, so i honestly can not trust your opinion on the quality of the image because i have been working with 3D modeling software for practicaly my whole life, i have a very clear under standing of what low resolution, and high resolution is, and i have full understandign what compression is and what it does, i only use PNG format that is a raw uncompressed file format, hate too say it, but i honestly question your knowledge on resolution Detail.

Because that is far from compressed, just because it doesn't have all these Fancy Post processing effects, doesn't give you the right too say its low resolution because it certainly is not, i have seen posts on here that are borderline train wrecks and get approved, that shows there is a flaw in the post managements system.

Knotty_Curls said:
there's a difference between quality and resolution

Kuro-The-Umbreon said:
Further more just because you say its easy to do, doesn't even merit a response because how do you know?

For example, i had too open both those models in blender, i smoothed the textures a bit which took 2 hours too do, i had too give the models additional bones and joints and increase their rotation limits, and having too deal with the models spazzing out at even the slightest movement of ur mouse making precise control nearly impossible too achieve overall it took rouhgly 4 hours too get it in the correct spot, but of course you say everything is easy because it's done digitally right?
(...)
You consider it not art, your interpretation of art is something drawn on paper.

7145 posts have the 3d tag! Time isn't a good measure of art quality.

Well guess what, i'm going too get philosophical on ya now, Would you say the perfected Stance and sword work, of a master swordsman isn't Art?

Would you say random acts of inspiration isn't artful?

Would you say the very nature of lifes existence isn't artful?

No, no you would not if you know what the true meaning of art means, Art can be found in everything and anything, Art can be found within the words and phrases used in an intellectual argument.

Therefore it is physically impossible for something to not be artful.

I agree. Even the act of admins clicking the Delete button in certain posts is artful. But I don't think we are discussing art over here but the quality of the art. And by quality I mean Aesthetics and Relevance to this site.

Like honestly it is common sense, which seems to be a very rare thing to come across in this world these days...

The OP was complaining about his deleted posts. Other people just told him to PM the deleter of the post and he thank everybody. That was common sense.

Kuro-The-Umbreon said:
And what lighting, that was the Default lighting on the map that was used, add any other light source and it would virtually bleach the screen.

Course you wouldn't know because you don't work with Digital modeling right?

Typical Know it all Attitude..

The default lighting is not always the best choice. The render settings for the shadows and the shading of the materials are also important at all to create realistic lighting.

Your 3d model is far from being the worst post deleted here. I would consider it a borderline post. If it was just a little bit better it would probably get through. A deleted post is not a punishment for the user! Moreover if your post get passed you could probably hear a lot more nasty comments from some of the other users. Just take a look at post #608501. I consider it a good model done in Blender a couple of nasty comments still popped up... (bty there are some nice 3d tips in the comments too).

NotMeNotYou said:
For example this one has broken ankles (both of them), skirt is clipping (into itself and into absol's leg), inside of her elbows has additional bends, outside of the elbow is a slant instead of being round, the paw clips through the hair, the hind legs of absol seem broken, and I have no idea what that penis thing is supposed to be, a burned tube of flesh? That doesn't look remotely like the texture used for a penis.

There you go! Take this advice and improve your work!

There is also a forum post for constructive art critique. If you are unsure about the quality of your future work, you can put them there first.

Kuro-The-Umbreon said:
... i honestly can not trust your opinion on the quality of the image because i have been working with 3D modeling software for practicaly my whole life...

I don't like to flaunt this often, but I feel like putting in my two cents. I have a Bachelors of Applied Science degree in Game Art and Design. I've worked in the industry using UDK, Unity3D, and a few proprietary game engines. Specifically my area of expertise lies in creating low poly 3D characters and mid-low res textures for use in videogames. I've actually made money doing videogame art. I think my opinion in this area is at least worth listening to.

Your renders weren't great. They weren't terrible, I've seen much worse, but they still weren't great. I agree with the administration's decision to delete them as they don't fit well with the style of art that the community has come to appreciate, and they aren't of high enough quality to be an exception. I'm NOT talking about compression when I say quality, I'm using it's general definition. The work you've done is probably better suited to more 3D focused image boards, but here 2D is king.

If you would like to post your work here, it will simply need to be better. That's not an attack on your ability to create art, it's me saying that 3D art posted here has to be above a certain level, and that your's isn't there, but it could be with some work. If you'd like help getting your artwork up to a higher level, I'd highly suggest you follow Kenku MacGyver's advice.

NotMeNotYou said:
broken ankles, skirt is clipping, inside of her elbows has additional bends, outside of the elbow is a slant instead of being round, the paw clips through the hair, the hind legs of absol seem broken, and I have no idea what that penis thing is supposed to be, a burned tube of flesh? That doesn't look remotely like the texture used for a penis.

GG, thread over, lets leave and get the cat a cheezburger.
Took quite a few posts too long IMO to be given the reasonings of why the posts were considered low quality.

Oh I'm glad it's over

I zoned out about a month back

NotMeNotYou said:
By the very definition, anything not created by an intelligence is not "art", nature is literally just a couple billion years of pure luck.

With that said I deleted all of your uploads, one was deleted because it was irrelevant (human on slenderman), the other two have low quality models and scenes.
It's nice that you touched the models up a bit, but they need more work to be considered good.

For example this one has broken ankles (both of them), skirt is clipping (into itself and into absol's leg), inside of her elbows has additional bends, outside of the elbow is a slant instead of being round, the paw clips through the hair, the hind legs of absol seem broken, and I have no idea what that penis thing is supposed to be, a burned tube of flesh? That doesn't look remotely like the texture used for a penis.

Lol Every statement you made is False, it only looks that way because of the Camera Angle, hate to be the person to turn into an ass but i'm sorry i'm going too put my foot down now.

Just because of the Camera angle it creates some of those clipping issues, yes there was one particular one i had Zero Control over thats not my fault, it is the fault of the hit boxes of the models touching there is Nothing i can physically do about that.

But everything else is a mere illusion created by the chosen Camera Angle, if you had any idea what you were Talking about you would under stand Camera Angles, and as for the third post being un-relevant then tell me why it is that Dozens of Un-relevent posts EVERYDAY get approved?

Sorry too say but that my good sir is nit picking, i can go and search right now, posts that are below what your so called Quality Standards are and have been approved, and continue to be approved.

So honestly very ironically Hypocritical enough said.

Now if you will excuse me i have other things i have to do today.

Kuro-The-Umbreon said:
Lol Every statement you made is False, it only looks that way because of the Camera Angle, hate to be the person to turn into an ass but i'm sorry i'm going too put my foot down now.

Just because of the Camera angle it creates some of those clipping issues, yes there was one particular one i had Zero Control over thats not my fault, it is the fault of the hit boxes of the models touching there is Nothing i can physically do about that.

Ah yes, I guess other people are able to not create these flaws by using black magic? Try picking a different software.
If the camera angle affects your rendering you either need to change some render settings, redo the models, or pick up some better software that doesn't glitch out based on camera angle.

Kuro-The-Umbreon said:
But everything else is a mere illusion created by the chosen Camera Angle, if you had any idea what you were Talking about you would under stand Camera Angles, and as for the third post being un-relevant then tell me why it is that Dozens of Un-relevent posts EVERYDAY get approved?

These are not illusions created by the camera angle, the paw is at the same space above and below the hair, last time I checked the paws on absol didn't come with a > shaped opening.
The skirt is literally clipping through itself because part of the skirt is rigged to the leg (visible by the fact the skirt follows the direction of the leg, and has the same distance to the leg at all points, and that the other half of the skirt is a simple texture on the lower torso).
The elbow thing is simply a shitty model, if you can't fix that produce a better one.
Lighting and shadows on the foot and respectively the shin make it very clear how they are bent in relation to each other.

I have created 3D models from 2D photographs for my last work, (granted they were buildings but shadows and shit still very much work the same) you do not need to try and educate me how 3D works.

Kuro-The-Umbreon said:
Sorry too say but that my good sir is nit picking, i can go and search right now, posts that are below what your so called Quality Standards are and have been approved, and continue to be approved.

So honestly very ironically Hypocritical enough said.

Now if you will excuse me i have other things i have to do today.

Go ahead and search the low quality images and I will tell you why they look better than your uploads.

Kuro-The-Umbreon said:
Lol...

...Now if you will excuse me i have other things i have to do today.

These two statements just ruined your credibility in an instant.

Kuro-The-Umbreon said:
hate to be the person to turn into an ass

Ironic statements don't help either

Kuro-The-Umbreon said:
i'm sorry i'm going too put my foot down now. 

Unnecessary and you're not sorry

But everything else is a mere illusion created by the chosen Camera Angle, if you had any idea what you were Talking about you would under stand Camera Angles, and as for the third post being un-relevant then tell me why it is that Dozens of Un-relevent posts EVERYDAY get approved?

Show me some examples of those "dozens of un-relevent posts" that get approved and I'll state why they're approved

Sorry too say but that my good sir is nit picking, i can go and search right now, posts that are below what your so called Quality Standards are and have been approved, and continue to be approved.

If we don't think a post is within our quality standards, we'll delete it. If the poster wants to contest it, we'll have a discussion about it and determine the outcome. We ALL came to the conclusion that it is below our standards. Tough cookies, better luck next time.

Your work could use improvement. The difficulty involved in creating it is irrelevant to its approval.

TheHuskyK9 said:
These two statements just ruined your credibility in an instant.

Ironic statements don't help either

Unnecessary and you're not sorry

Show me some examples of those "dozens of un-relevent posts" that get approved and I'll state why they're approved

If we don't think a post is within our quality standards, we'll delete it. If the poster wants to contest it, we'll have a discussion about it and determine the outcome. We ALL came to the conclusion that it is below our standards. Tough cookies, better luck next time.

And how does that Ruin my Credibility, at least i actually go too work and make a living.

Meanwhile you sit here for hours moderating what constitutes as a good quality Dirty pic on the internet.

Mean While i'm out in the city installing Electrical for about 6 to 8 hours a day.

So i don't exactly see how that Ruins my Credibility in the terms of i had something better too do that day.

I would suggest choosing and putting your words together a tad better.

That is all.

class warfare now

Kuro-The-Umbreon said:
And how does that Ruin my Credibility, at least i actually go too work and make a living.

Meanwhile you sit here for hours moderating what constitutes as a good quality Dirty pic on the internet.

Mean While i'm out in the city installing Electrical for about 6 to 8 hours a day.

So i don't exactly see how that Ruins my Credibility in the terms of i had something better too do that day.

I would suggest choosing and putting your words together a tad better.

That is all.

Nice argumentum ad hominem

If you don't know what that means, or you're too lazy to read the link I provided, that means "avoiding the topic by attacking your opponent."

How is this still here!?

Kuro-The-Umbreon said:
And how does that Ruin my Credibility, at least i actually go too work and make a living.

Meanwhile you sit here for hours moderating what constitutes as a good quality Dirty pic on the internet.

Mean While i'm out in the city installing Electrical for about 6 to 8 hours a day.

So i don't exactly see how that Ruins my Credibility in the terms of i had something better too do that day.

I would suggest choosing and putting your words together a tad better.

That is all.

I'm still waiting for your examples...

This has gone way off-topic and turned into a flame war so I'm locking it.