I am not talking about the Blacklist / Tagging. I am well aware of the meme phrase "use your Blacklist" and I am plenty acquainted with how to use Tags to keep from seeing whatever content I may not appreciate seeing. What I am talking about specifically is the system in place that was implemented to keep people without accounts or people who aren't logged in from seeing "certain material."

Why is it ONLY that certain material, though.... and not any and all lewd lascivious content? It's just a curious question, so try not to take offense and start shooting at the messenger for delivering the mail. I'm not trying to light a hot match in a Fireworks Shop here. But... it's something which I find very perplexing.

Any person browsing this website who doesn't already have an account or who is not logged in can still see plenty of furry pornography, they just can't see the Cub pornography.

Any person browsing e621 without an account can go search for "Chip N' Dale - Male on Male" and easily find it. They can also find Tiny Toons porn, TaleSpin porn, DuckTales porn, etc etc etc.

Of course, nobody below the age of 30 would even go hunting for that stuff in the first place, but anybody can find it if they want to, just by searching for it. There's no "wall" blocking that stuff out for the "not logged in users."

And while not logged in or not having an account, clicking on "Posts" and checking the main page will fill the entire screen with plenty of porn.

Now I must ask an obvious question: If e621 is so concerned with keeping the Minus Eighteens who might stumble upon this here website from seeing material that is inappropriate for their age, why still keep the regular pornography in plain view completely unobstructed?

If the logic is "porn is destructive if you're not mature enough to see it" then why only put the NSFW Cub Artwork behind that wall? Don't both types have the same destructive capacity? Don't misunderstand me, I am not one of these silly stuck-up followers of John Harvey Kellogg who thinks that porn and self pleasure are the pinnacle of evil in our world. There are worse things in our world than people drawing porn of Scooby or Balto or Lion King or what have you...

I just want to ask why "The Wall" seems to be applied selectively, rather than completely, thoroughly, fully. The fact that it isn't -- seems to run counter to the concept that e621 "must keep all Minus Eighteens from seeing stuff they shouldn't." Especially considering the drama with the potential for a law that would force all porn hosting image boards to require Government Issue Identification from ALL users.

It got struck down, I think... (didn't it?). But I can kind of see their point, much as I really hate to agree with any kind of legislation like that which would chip away at what little privacy and freedom and anonymity we have left. Furry Artwork Websites have no real definitive fool-proof way to prevent people from seeing stuff they're not suppose to... and unless it becomes an absolutely constantly enforced rule that I.D. is checked at the door before you even get in, like this is a bar that serves alcoholic drinks, there is no consistent and reliable way to keep people who shouldn't even be drinking out of this establishment....

I know that a forum post like this one is certainly going to Ruffle Some Fur (pun most certainly intended), but I just wanted to point out a glaring inconsistency, a hole in the armor, a leak in the boat. But by even making a post like this one, I am definitely rocking it (the boat that is).

Oh well, I'll take my Negative Record or whatever, I guess. But if you read and re-read what I wrote here, you'll eventually see that I actually do in fact have a point. What's that old saying? "Don't execute the person who points out that the Emperor Has No Clothes" ... (a situation in which most people praise or seem to believe something that is false, because they are afraid to go against the general opinion out of a fear of receiving a swift punishment for pointing it out)....

I really tried my best NOT to be super inflammatory in this here post, but someone is bound to take offense where none was meant or intended, such is the nature of humanity... because we are emotional creatures who feel first and think later.

Meh....

All in all we're just a -- 'nother brick in The Wall.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=z-3MTfOZhYc

Peace.....

I mean, if you've heard of e621 you probably know it as a porn site. It's like searching "Pornhub" and being surprised when you see porn on the front page without making an account.

Some sites have tried to move in a more family friendly direction, like tumblr and Furaffinity, the latter requiring an account to see NSFW content. Although I'm not sure if it was always like that for FA.

That doesn't mean all sites, or all furry sites, need to do what FA does. And it probably won't prevent more than a handful of minors who accidentally stumbled upon this site from accessing adult content, because unless laws change pretty much everywhere, you don't need an ID to make an account here. Does that mean it's not worth doing at all?

I dunno. Maybe it would be worth doing. But again it's kind of like a "child-proof" cap on a pill bottle. Children can still learn how to open it pretty easily.

pankino2002 said:
I dunno. Maybe it would be worth doing. But again it's kind of like a "child-proof" cap on a pill bottle. Children can still learn how to open it pretty easily.

hmm... think should have an "Are you an adult?" test rather than the simple "Are you 18?" question people get when they use the site without an account?

I suppose if you trust your government, porn sites, and whatever intermediary companies are employed to facilitate such ID checking, it would be a sensible idea. Personally, given the sensitive nature of linking someone's online erotic preferences and their real life identity, I am skeptical that this wouldn't be fumbled or abused. I mean, look at how frequently data breaches occur with companies that spend millions a year on security.

Plus, it is dubious how effective such ID laws would be in the first place for anyone with a will to access such content. Like, at a bar, you can compare the photo on the ID to the person physically standing before you, which provides a degree of certainty that the person requesting the service is the same one on the document. I cannot see how you would ensure that link in a purely digital arena.

Also with regards to the default blacklist, I believe that the stated reason from the staff as to what is on there is to try and minimize people whining about content they dislike.

dilll220 said:
Why does "The Wall" only block out the Cub stuff?

It doesn't. Peeing, Scat, Gore, and more are there too, Dood

notkastar said:
It doesn't. Peeing, Scat, Gore, and more are there too, Dood

those other things will still show up if you disable/modify the anonymous blacklist, cub is just entirely blocked.

I appreciate the comments about the I.D. stuff, however, we're still not addressing the primary subject of the topic, as stated in the Title of the Post.... Why is Cub behind the wall, but all other forms of Furry Pornography are not behind The Wall?.... That seems a little odd to me, like it's not going as far as it could... I get it if it's to keep certain people from complaining about it, but those people would complain about it and this place anyway, due to its reputation among Non-Furs.

Same as how people complain about Ink Bunny, and as far as I'm aware, IB actually blocks ALL pornography from being viewed if the person is not logged into an account. I guess I can see a bit of the point coming from the opposite end, why do it at all if Ink Bunny did it and they still catch drama and flack from people who have a preconceived notion of that website?

Why do it? Why put ALL porn behind The Wall? So that the people who aren't supposed to see it don't see it, I guess... that would be one reason. Because if the professed goal here is to "Keep Minus Eighteens From Seeing Naughty Furry Drawings" then it should be applied all around to all forms of Furry Porn, and not just a handful of specific hand picked "problematic" or "weird" fetishes.

That's my personal opinion about it.

And I don't really want to hand over my I.D. either, but like I said, it would be the only surefire way of preventing any Minus Eighteens from accessing the content of this website. And I don't mean like, "you get flagged once because of a random insinuation or random accusation" I mean that ALL users are Carded At The Door before they can get into the Bar.

I don't think this rambling mess of a topic is helping anyone, it's behind a login because of internal reasons. If you'd like to discuss it, you'd likely have a much more fruitful time talking with our management directly.