Hi y'all,

I know some of you were angry off about the recent changes made here and I saw a whole bunch of people talking about moving to Gelbooru to archive artwork regular or otherwise due to the mistrust, the simple answer is you won't be able to, Gelbooru is a heavily "Japanese" site with a rule in their TOS:

"In addition, you may not use the Site to upload any of the following:

Off-topic: Gelbooru is an English-language gallery for Japanese-themed art. Anything not drawn by a Japanese artist must be drawn in a Japanese style or feature Japanese characters/copyrights. Posts that do not meet any of these criteria will be deleted unless given prior exception by the moderation team for quality!"

With that being said I hope y'all find somewhere you can archive, maybe one of you will create a Booru of your own but the answer is not Gelbooru, I hope for the sake of archiving y'all will continue to archive where you can though, whether it's on E621, Rule 34 (Paheal or XXX), Hypnohub, Gelbooru (for Japanese Artists) or whatever comes in the future, Archiving is important and even if it's not my sort of content I appreciate those who spend their time doing it

Hope y'all have a wonderful day

Legitimately the best I know that's got any visibility right now is to make an artist gallery on sadpanda. Sakakucomplex doesn't have a rules problem and is an option for short to mid term, but they're so monetization hungry that they've damaged their image seach in some inconvenient ways for free users. I wouldn't trust them not to get worse in the future.

There’s also:

• All The Fallen

for loli, shota and cub content (young)

• Danbooru

it’s Danbooru!

• Derpibooru

for MLP ponies (my little pony)

• Ponybooru

also MLP ponies (my little pony)

dimoretpinel said:
There’s also:

• All The Fallen

for loli, shota and cub content (young)

• Danbooru

it’s Danbooru!

• Derpibooru

for MLP ponies (my little pony)

• Ponybooru

also MLP ponies (my little pony)

I Also use the following:

• Rule 34 XXX

for Furry/OC/Rule34 NSFW

• Rule 34 Paheal

for Rule 34 ONLY

• Hypnohub

for Hypnosis Content (SFW/NSFW)

I also recently discovered

• XBooru

It's a fairly dead place currently with barely a system in place... However, I think it has potential as a base

for strictly furry content, cub or otherwise, there is also Inkbunny

also even tho its more of a tumblr style image blogging site but the baraag server on mastodon is also friendly to all the content that got limited here

blackheart327 said:
for strictly furry content, cub or otherwise, there is also Inkbunny

Inkbunny has the same "no young human-like characters" rule that people are upset about here.

faucet said:
Inkbunny has the same "no young human-like characters" rule that people are upset about here.

there might be a few things that are a allowed there that aren't allowed here, I think? but otherwise the rules for what's considered too human are very similar, yeah. in addition to not allowing adults in the same vein.

dba_afish said:
there might be a few things that are a allowed there that aren't allowed here, I think? but otherwise the rules for what's considered too human are very similar, yeah. in addition to not allowing adults in the same vein.

The general sentiment seems to be more of an "okay, this isn't a secure archive anymore" and to just generally get things mirrored elsewhere just in case something else happens, rather than being specific to the recent issue entirely.

faucet said:
Inkbunny has the same "no young human-like characters" rule that people are upset about here.

Well, yes, but actually, no.
You CAN post young human-like characters in SFW scenarios, and can censor the human factor (or sexual factor) in other scenarios while linking the uncensored in the description.

Your best bet is atfbooru that site supports everything that was deleted here. including loli shota cub etc.

(atfbooru is all the fallen)
https://booru.allthefallen.moe/

tsukiyomaruzero said:
Well, yes, but actually, no.
You CAN post young human-like characters in SFW scenarios, and can censor the human factor (or sexual factor) in other scenarios while linking the uncensored in the description.

the exact wording from IB's content policy is

Human characters [...] must not appear in sexual situations and must not show genitals, anal details, or sexual arousal. Censored art involving humans must plausibly depict a non-sexual situation.
[...]
Characters that are essentially human (pixies, faeries, elves, orcs, trolls, etc) or just have ears/tails or other superficial animal features applied are considered human for this rule.

faucet said:
Inkbunny has the same "no young human-like characters" rule that people are upset about here.

That is why i said "strictly furry content". The point is to have alternatives to e621 because apparently things here can get deleted en masse with zero warning

blackheart327 said:
That is why i said "strictly furry content". The point is to have alternatives to e621 because apparently things here can get deleted en masse with zero warning

I mean, technically, that can happen to literally any website, laws change, rules change, lives change. we could wake up tomorrow and Twitter's just gone.

all that is to say, don't put all your eggs in one basket. don't trust any one service to keep your stuff available for perpetually.

dba_afish said:
all that is to say, don't put all your eggs in one basket.

This. We've been saying this to artists for quite some time, and that includes here. Don't rely on any one site, the more sites art is on, the better chances of it not being lost.

Hypnohub banned loli a few years ago.

dimoretpinel said:
There’s also:

• All The Fallen

for loli, shota and cub content (young)

• Danbooru

it’s Danbooru!

• Derpibooru

for MLP ponies (my little pony)

• Ponybooru

also MLP ponies (my little pony)

unfortunately, all the fallen also has a mettric fuckton of people that some of us lolisho artists would rather not be 1000ft within because they take fiction into reality or glorify that shit and being on a site that openly accepts MAPs is.... eugh.

only good option atm is aethy and baraag for posting this kinda stuff if you prefer human/humanoids over anthro. in general shit like this is pretty fucking painful though since humanoid sites eithier have insanely high standards or are very ban heavy compared to furry sites when it comes to anything more risque than being slapped on the ass really hard lmao

• E-Hentai/ExHentai

an arcive website more meant for series/manga. there's plenty of archives of artist galleries as well, the main downside on that front is the inability to have stuff like individual image descriptions.

while the main surface-web version of the site, E-Hentai, has some "objectional" content, like lolisho, hidden from view, all of that is still available on the alternate version of the site, ExHentai, which is only available if you jump through some hoops to log in.

I can't speak for the E-H forums or anything, but the comment sections are generally pretty decent. I'd say they're at least on-par to e6's comments, on average they might be a bit more tolerable over there, honestly. _{although our comments have been seeing a bit of an upturn over the last handful of years so, it's hard to say.}

blackheart327 said:
That is why i said "strictly furry content". The point is to have alternatives to e621 because apparently things here can get deleted en masse with zero warning

...I will admit I completely misread your message, my mind somehow skipped over the "strictly furry content" and thought "cub or otherwise" was alluding to young humanoids.

Of course it makes sense to have alternatives - I know the young humanoid purge was quite unprecedented (the only other example I can think of was the mass purge of paysite content years ago) but I'm still not quite sure why people even thought e621 was some sort of permanent archive in the first place, posts are frequently deleted at the behest of artists or character owners. All explicit paddington_bear art was deleted after a DMCA from the publisher. Luckily there wasn't much Paddington content in the first place, but in theory it could happen from any other publisher at any time. People can argue "fair use" all they want, but it doesn't matter whether you're right or wrong when you're up against a mega corporation that can happily throw down more money than you'll ever have in your lifetime on their legal defense.

Then when you take the quality standards, relevancy and image variant images into consideration e621 feels a lot more like a curated art gallery than an archive. Even if art gets approved by a janitor, for the most part only content posted before 2015 is grandfathered, so anything newer can still be deleted for quality reasons if the staff suddenly change their minds. The entire works of an artist could suddenly be nuked, e.g. Foxes in Love.

If not for its longevity and large dedicated userbase, I'd almost be willing to say e621 is one of the worst places to back up your works, even before this most recent purge. As usual, don't keep all your eggs in one basket, especially now when the Internet as a whole is in somewhat of an unpredictable state. e621 is neither the first nor will it be the last website to purge content en masse.

There is also:

• The Big ImageBoard (TBIB)

From what I saw they allow furry and loli/shota content so it could be a good replacement, the only bad thing is that it doesn't have a dark theme for the site.

• AGNPH

A Pokemon focused imageboard, this is where I recovered back all the Ralts and Kirlia hentai.

oni-brian said:
There is also:

• The Big ImageBoard (TBIB)

From what I saw they allow furry and loli/shota content so it could be a good replacement, the only bad thing is that it doesn't have a dark theme for the site.

Based on what I know, you can't upload there yourself, it only mirrors other boorus.

dimoretpinel said:
There’s also:

• Danbooru

it’s Danbooru!

Don't support boorus that paywall other people's content. It's theft. End of discussion.

fuyu_graycen said:
I Also use the following:

• Rule 34 XXX

for Furry/OC/Rule34 NSFW

• Rule 34 Paheal

for Rule 34 ONLY

• Hypnohub

for Hypnosis Content (SFW/NSFW)

I also recently discovered

• XBooru

It's a fairly dead place currently with barely a system in place... However, I think it has potential as a base

Paheal sucks so much it's not even funny. XXX is the closest we have to a rule 34 version of e621 but it's still far behind e6.

bdanimare said:
Paheal sucks so much it's not even funny. XXX is the closest we have to a rule 34 version of e621 but it's still far behind e6.

really, the only reason that r34.x is at all similar to e6 is because they scrape posts from here and repost them, tags and all.

What’s the difference between XXX and Paheal?

dimoretpinel said:
What’s the difference between XXX and Paheal?

they're totally different sites despite looking similar.

Paheal's older, existing since 2007, around the same time e6 started. they do not allow art featuring OCs exclusively. their tagging system is restricted to artist, copyright, character, with a few meta tags like animated.

r34.x is more recent, existing since 2010. they allow OC art. they have the roughly the same breadth of tags as we do, but their tagging standards are lax at best, the only stuff that's likely to be decently well-tagged is furry content, and that's only because they just take that stuff from us most of the time.

oni-brian said:

• AGNPH

A Pokemon focused imageboard, this is where I recovered back all the Ralts and Kirlia hentai.

LOL, I almost want to keep that one a secret (joke). I've known about it since it was a newsgroup channel.

lenkagetsu said:
Don't support boorus that paywall other people's content. It's theft. End of discussion.

Sankaku Complex, too?

E-H has the convenience that if you do post your stuff there, it won't get resized or other weirdness (people can download the originals as a ZIP), and it's a lot easier to tag since you do the entire gallery. You get separate galleries instead of having to use folders like some sites have. You can also have torrents per gallery.

E-H commenters can get very aggressive if it's a political comic, but that's just sites in general? The huge fights over Taiwan and HK is pretty predictable for example.

Getting stuff OFF of E-H is generally a pain, but doable. Fakku and Wani and others did it.

watsit said:
This. We've been saying this to artists for quite some time, and that includes here. Don't rely on any one site, the more sites art is on, the better chances of it not being lost.

Reminds me of that Tenboro quote about how E-H's not your (artists') backup.

Anybody remember WildCritters?

Yeah... I was one of those people. Still kinda am!

gaiki said:
unfortunately, all the fallen also has a mettric fuckton of people that some of us lolisho artists would rather not be 1000ft within because they take fiction into reality or glorify that shit and being on a site that openly accepts MAPs is.... eugh.

only good option atm is aethy and baraag for posting this kinda stuff if you prefer human/humanoids over anthro. in general shit like this is pretty fucking painful though since humanoid sites eithier have insanely high standards or are very ban heavy compared to furry sites when it comes to anything more risque than being slapped on the ass really hard lmao

Yeah, the forums are certainly contentious for less tolerant people, but the booru itself is fine, even though it also has that same stupid vague "minimum standard of quality" that e621 has when it comes to accepting posts that aren't AI slop. For what it's worth, the forums are extremely lenient with freedom of expression and allows for civil discussion of serious topics that wouldn't fly anywhere else, while still having rules in place to avoid actually illegal activity from happening. That's why they allow those people in there, because so long as the person hasn't actually committed a real crime, since existing by itself isn't a crime, there's no reason to ban them. Another thing: It's very often just extreme hornyposting rather than loudly announcing what they want to actually do, they don't put that much thought into things like caption and such. It's a fine line to walk; they aren't like Tay Ferret, who was in cahoots with a predator in the past and uses his art as a way to basically make pro-contact propaganda. Intent and background matters a lot when it comes to these things, but I digress.

Think of it like a sorta support forum that houses people who were ostracized from elsewhere and seeking to find likeminded people who are struggling with a similar situation to themselves, rather than an unmoderated hellhole filled with predators like many Fediverse instances (like Pawoo and Baraag). There are some unplesant people, yes, some incredibly tone deaf people as well, but most of the people in there are chill. The people in there are certainly more reasonable than the unhinged sociopaths I've found on the aforementioned sites though, who are often pro-contact and pro-abuse as well. Those fuckers turned me off from ever using the Fediverse knowing such horrible people lurk in there, like, legitimely horrible people.

dimoretpinel said:
Anyway enough armchair psychology-ing from me, if ATF is to creepy and Baraag is worse, where should an artist go? Is there any non-creepy lolisho related booru?

I kind of doubt it. It'd be possible, but it'd need to be heavily moderated, or potentially just have no comments at all.

regsmutt said:
I kind of doubt it. It'd be possible, but it'd need to be heavily moderated, or potentially just have no comments at all.

I believe there's a sort of difference between a heavily moderated and a heavily sanctioned site, which I believe many hailing from e621 are expecting the latter. On one hand, e621 is infamous for handing people negative records for the most innocuous comments if they vaguely fall into rule-breaking territory, so in some ways e621 is heavily moderated, for better or for worse. On the other hand, a sizable portion of people who don't know how to use the blacklist complain about shit they aren't forced to see by default (at least nowadays, because newer accounts will have an autofilled blacklist while other ones don't) and would rather have the content they don't like gone than just hiding it from view, so to them it's not sanctioned enough.

The All The Fallen booru is actually becoming more sanctioned and heavily moderated as time goes on, if you can believe it. There's been an effort to remove comments that go too far these last few years, posts that were discovered to be traced from or generated by models trained on real illegal material, and there's currently a poll asking if AI posts should be added to the default global blacklist (currently the vast majority voted Yes). As for the forums, the moderation is mostly what you'd expect, though much laxer than usual because it filters very little that isn't just straight up encouraging people to commit crimes or showing actually illegal material; heck, you can be like the biggest contrarian in there and disagree with people's opinions, no matter how harshly you put it into words, so long as you remain civilized or it contributes to the discussion of a topic, something that would probably get your ass clapped on 99% of other forums, including here. I've disagreed with plenty of people and despite that, I never got any setback from the moderators. Heck, the more serious subject matter discussions are hidden by default and even if you set the subsection to be visible, you never have to engage with it. I know I certainly don't, I just stick to one or two highly specific game threads.

bdanimare said:
Paheal sucks so much it's not even funny. XXX is the closest we have to a rule 34 version of e621 but it's still far behind e6.

XXX could be pretty good with some TLC. Really, the only major problems with that site are piss-poor tagging and dupes since a lot of the uploads are by bots that don't check well and copy source tags, so tags are very inconsistent where different sites use different tagging conventions (like straight vs female/female, futa vs gynomorph, not tagging furry content as "furry" etc), some REALLY cringeworthy comments, and a deluge of crappy AI art. With some tag work, hiding "AI Generated", and using uBlock to hide the comments, it could be a good place.

dimoretpinel said:

• Derpibooru

for MLP ponies (my little pony)

Derpibooru had its own mass deletion controversy and subsequent user exodus a couple years ago (very similar in tone to what appears to be going on here except the issue was Nazi imagery, not CP).

The folks who didn't like the result started Twibooru as a response, basically scraping everything that gets posted to Derpi and refusing to delete anything unless it was blatantly unrelated to MLP. So if it's an archive you're after, Twibooru is a lot more complete.

dimoretpinel said:
There’s also:

• All The Fallen

for loli, shota and cub content (young)

• Danbooru

it’s Danbooru!

• Derpibooru

for MLP ponies (my little pony)

• Ponybooru

also MLP ponies (my little pony)

Twibooru is better.

Checkout https://cubfur.gay (gay TLD just to be queer friendly as all genders and orientations are allowed)

It's built off furbooru.org (also great) but is a safe haven for all young art.

ATFs booru is painfully outdated.