Well, there goes another enjoyable feature of this site. It's sucked that blips got removed from your account page (and that you have to actually click "Blips"), now I can't have a decent laugh at some reported comments that were genuinely funny, and can only see the tickets I myself created. Ples bring bak :(

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was fun. Although the number of times I spotted counter-tickets when the site drama got heated was insane.

aversioncapacitor' said:
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was fun. Although the number of times I spotted counter-tickets when the site drama got heated was insane.

"You get a ban, and you get a ban, and you also get a ban. Everyone gets a ban!" The OperaOprah Car method of dealing with that? :P

It removes some of the transparency, is part of why it's kind of sad to see it go.

alphamule said:
"You get a ban, and you get a ban, and you also get a ban. Everyone gets a ban!" The Opera Car method of dealing with that? :P

It removes some of the transparency, is part of why it's kind of sad to see it go.

I imagine this is step-two of that, given comments are now just being deleted/hidden outright rather than the [USER RECIEVED A RECORD FOR THIS MESSAGE]

votp said:
I imagine this is step-two of that, given comments are now just being deleted/hidden outright rather than the [USER RECIEVED A RECORD FOR THIS MESSAGE]

Feedback and bans are still public.

tarrgon said:
Feedback and bans are still public.

What they point to is not.

votp said:
What they point to is not.

hidden comments being hidden is nothing particularly new. and if the comment is disruptive there's really not much of a reason to leave it up. the person who got in trouble for making the comment can see what it said, so they know what they got in trouble for.

One's pursuit of schadenfreude is irrelevant.

The saddest thing about what I am going to call "Predacity Tourism" is not that it's failed to unearth much of the things committed through communities. It's that it's buried such acts under the debris of lesser events that were latched onto for sadomasochistic entertainment, and blown up into completely cartoon proportions. In the cowardice of that pursuit, it only seeks the easiest game. The least amount of challenge.
This has created a sort of market for attention, retention and time that, through the likes of spaces like kiwifarms, has produced a pipeline for radicalism.
In an environment that already leads to radicalization. Because of how the cultural emphasis of the individual (over the communal) has led to the commodification - and weaponization - of individualism, and against it's own adherants..... You are alone, but alone together, until you are alone and unpersoned.

Until some new way of thinking, acting can replace what's currently the cultural zeitgeist (And America, the west has always been Puritanical)?

It's best that "What Happened and Who Did It" is left to the three parties it concerns the most. Whoever did what, whoever it was done to, and whoever stepped in to intervene.
So I fully agree with e621's decision to strike the "Whoever did (exactly) what" from public consumption.
I understand the need for oversight, because I only trust that the staff of this site are just doing the best that they know to do, they've done a fair enough job at that and noone's a perfectly ethical dispensor of decision and action, but it seems better in our current environment that "Drama material" is made a little harder to harvest.

We've been slowly ratcheted up toward some kind of mass psychosis for some time.
A little de-escalation (And it's pursuit) wouldn't immediately hurt anyone, right now.

letforeverfinallydie said:
One's pursuit of schadenfreude is irrelevant.

The saddest thing about what I am going to call "Predacity Tourism" is not that it's failed to unearth much of the things committed through communities. It's that it's buried such acts under the debris of lesser events that were latched onto for sadomasochistic entertainment, and blown up into completely cartoon proportions. In the cowardice of that pursuit, it only seeks the easiest game. The least amount of challenge.
This has created a sort of market for attention, retention and time that, through the likes of spaces like kiwifarms, has produced a pipeline for radicalism.
In an environment that already leads to radicalization. Because of how the cultural emphasis of the individual (over the communal) has led to the commodification - and weaponization - of individualism, and against it's own adherants..... You are alone, but alone together, until you are alone and unpersoned.

Until some new way of thinking, acting can replace what's currently the cultural zeitgeist (And America, the west has always been Puritanical)?

It's best that "What Happened and Who Did It" is left to the three parties it concerns the most. Whoever did what, whoever it was done to, and whoever stepped in to intervene.
So I fully agree with e621's decision to strike the "Whoever did (exactly) what" from public consumption.
I understand the need for oversight, because I only trust that the staff of this site are just doing the best that they know to do, they've done a fair enough job at that and noone's a perfectly ethical dispensor of decision and action, but it seems better in our current environment that "Drama material" is made a little harder to harvest.

We've been slowly ratcheted up toward some kind of mass psychosis for some time.
A little de-escalation (And it's pursuit) wouldn't immediately hurt anyone, right now.

Mate, I just like seeing what gets the bap, contextualises guidelines when you see them enforced. Also is silly to have feedback be visible with links to the ticket reason if the links aren't going to link to visible content. Either hide it all, or show it all, doing it by half is a tad silly.

votp said:
Also is silly to have feedback be visible with links to the ticket reason if the links aren't going to link to visible content. Either hide it all, or show it all, doing it by half is a tad silly.

The feedback is visible so we can see they got bopped for the given reason, even if we can't see the cause. The link works for the person who got in trouble to see what they did, as well as the admins who can refer back to it in the future if needed. If they're not going to let us see everything, this is a fine compromise IMO, no reason to hide more than is already hidden.

votp said:
Also is silly to have feedback be visible with links to the ticket reason if the links aren't going to link to visible content.

watsit said:
If they're not going to let us see everything, this is a fine compromise IMO, no reason to hide more than is already hidden.

Damn, that foreshadowing was crazy.

Was not a fan of comments being hidden. Sure, user complaints were a matter of privacy for the user, so it really isn't anyone's business, but some individuals chose to put comments out there that broke the rules. Some of those comments were funny, and some of those comments gave us an idea of what's ok and what's not ok. Wonder when the time will come when you can't see a persons records anymore :(. Will be truly missed.

dba_afish said:
hidden comments being hidden is nothing particularly new. and if the comment is disruptive there's really not much of a reason to leave it up.

This is new, as new as being able to disable comments on posts with disruptive discourse, which honestly was way better than "alright that's enough, anymore comment xyz and you're getting the fat red". For how long the website has been around, the time I saw (and understood) admins hiding comments were either for pirated content, real life info, or generally illegal stuff being promoted. I have no clue what's happening, but what hasn't changed is that it's always in their discretion, there's just a new mindset going on now I'm guessing.

denix said:
This is new, as new as being able to disable comments on posts with disruptive discourse, which honestly was way better than "alright that's enough, anymore comment xyz and you're getting the fat red". For how long the website has been around, the time I saw (and understood) admins hiding comments were either for pirated content, real life info, or generally illegal stuff being promoted. I have no clue what's happening, but what hasn't changed is that it's always in their discretion, there's just a new mindset going on now I'm guessing.

yeah; "Alright, that's enough." never worked. if the comments shouldn't have been made in the first place I don't see a reason that they ought to be left visible. leaving inciting comments visible just led to people responding regardless or harrassing people involved (especially with particularly contentious topics); all it does is create targets (or martyrs) out of idiots, trolls and assholes.

dba_afish said:
yeah; "Alright, that's enough." never worked. if the comments shouldn't have been made in the first place I don't see a reason that they ought to be left visible. leaving inciting comments visible just led to people responding regardless or harrassing people involved (especially with particularly contentious topics); all it does is create targets (or martyrs) out of idiots, trolls and assholes.

I suspect one of the biggest reasons for the change to hiding was how it made martyrs of the people getting bapped. Hiding the comments and making things more opaque reduces the complaints.

snpthecat said:
I suspect one of the biggest reasons for the change to hiding was how it made martyrs of the people getting bapped. Hiding the comments and making things more opaque reduces the complaints.

This is correct.
There old approach to moderation was to leave rule breaking comments intact in order to provide an example to others as to they should not do, and what the consequences are for breaking the rules.
It sounds good in theory, but it does not work like that in practice. People often congregate in the comment sections agreeing with the original commenter or expressing their dissatisfaction with the rules.
Trying to explain why things work the way they do in situations like that is absolutely pointless – any dissenting comments will simply be collecting downvotes and convincing precisely nobody.

That is the same reason why you don't see comments being marked with "User received a record for the contents of this message" as much anymore.
The comment would either be hidden entirely, or left unmarked – otherwise, it would just be attracting the kind of attention that we do not want.

dba_afish said:
yeah; "Alright, that's enough." never worked.

Don't get me wrong, I said that the newer method was much better, I didn't mean the older method didn't work, and it certainly did work in it's own right. Though not as forceful as disabling a disruptive comment section. People who actually cared about being able to use this site stopped, and those who didn't aren't here.

dba_afish said:
all it does is create targets (or martyrs) out of idiots, trolls and assholes.

Well, now I understand what you meant by martyrs.

cinder said:
This is correct.
There old approach to moderation was to leave rule breaking comments intact in order to provide an example to others as to they should not do, and what the consequences are for breaking the rules.
It sounds good in theory, but it does not work like that in practice. People often congregate in the comment sections agreeing with the original commenter or expressing their dissatisfaction with the rules.
Trying to explain why things work the way they do in situations like that is absolutely pointless – any dissenting comments will simply be collecting downvotes and convincing precisely nobody.

That is the same reason why you don't see comments being marked with "User received a record for the contents of this message" as much anymore.
The comment would either be hidden entirely, or left unmarked – otherwise, it would just be attracting the kind of attention that we do not want.

Basically, you don't want to deal with the heat previous staff members dealt with, and this is your solution to drawing less attention to your moderation among the community. Doing the whole "User received a record for the contents of this message" that older moderation was enforcing definitely did put a target on your backs. I can understand that feeling when someone who broke a rule gets a lot of upvotes and the admin trying to explain what was wrong gets shitvoted. While it's definitely a system, consistently hiding comments and such that break the rules, to further pushback on trolls, it's just a sweep under the rug, along with the ability to disable comments now when needed. These differing systems will have their pro's and con's, so time will tell how it all works out.

It's appreciated what you guys do, and thanks for responding.