People sometimes confuse animal_humanoid with anthro.
See, an anthro is a character that is an animal that is walking on two legs and still has an animal head.
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Where as an animal_humanoid is a human with an animal tail and ears.
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I hope that this is helpful.

cow_of_fire said:
People sometimes confuse animal_humanoid with anthro.
See, an anthro is a character that is an animal that is walking on two legs and still has an animal head.
post #5048240 post #1521220 post #5048140 post #5027092
Where as an animal_humanoid is a human with an animal tail and ears.
post #3399533 post #1840318 post #301774 post #4801460
I hope that this is helpful.

I hate to break it to you, but the people confusing them are not the same people that are here on the forums
They are however the same people that don't read wiki pages

The humanoid series of tags is one of the most consistently misused and abused on the site to the point that searching or blacklisting will affect more non-humanoid posts than humanoid posts. I'm still of the opinion that all "humanoid" tags need to be retired, and a new term needs to be introduced for what they actually refer to. Hell, even the site rules uses "human-like" instead of the almost completely meaningless "humanoid".

lendrimujina said:
The humanoid series of tags is one of the most consistently misused and abused on the site to the point that searching or blacklisting will affect more non-humanoid posts than humanoid posts. I'm still of the opinion that all "humanoid" tags need to be retired, and a new term needs to be introduced for what they actually refer to. Hell, even the site rules uses "human-like" instead of the almost completely meaningless "humanoid".

A suffix of oid and and adding '-like' to a word means the same thing? :shrugs:

cow_of_fire said:

I hope that this is helpful.

Not really. As Donovan said, the people who need this basic info don't look at the forums or wiki, and this doesn't really cover the edge cases of the dividing line/chasm between anthro, humanoid and animal_humanoid.

snpthecat said:
Not really. As Donovan said, the people who need this basic info don't look at the forums or wiki, and this doesn't really cover the edge cases of the dividing line/chasm between anthro, humanoid and animal_humanoid.

Oh…

donovan_dmc said:
I hate to break it to you, but the people confusing them are not the same people that are here on the forums

To be honest, I have to trawl through user:faucet anthro humanoid on regular occasion because my brain just autopilot tags everything as "anthro" and that ends up being a problem when I upload the rare humanoid.

Just a little embarrassing I occasionally get it wrong after all these years.

heres a tip, try this blacklist animal_humanoid -anthro
i use a longer iteration with more exclusions that works well for blacklisting posts containing only animal humanoids. the main problem with this is if a post with an anthro or something isnt tagged with anthro but is tagged animal_humanoid, it will still be blacklisted.

although, it doesnt hurt to take a peek at what posts were blacklisted from time to time, and recently they added a red indicator so you know which are the unhid posts with a blacklisted tag! tbh they need to add this feature for a "soft blacklist" feature, where instead a tag being hidden its marked as red, could be neat imo.

dinbyy said:
they need to add this feature for a "soft blacklist" feature, where instead a tag being hidden its marked as red, could be neat imo.

made a feature request on it

dinbyy said:
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Um, that already exists…
Just turn your blacklist off.
The blacklisted posts show up with a red bar, as the rest remains blue.
I know because I have my blacklist turned off because I am editing tags. Even the posts I dislike still should have the correct tags added and the incorrect tags removed.

I don't think it's that clear cut. Where do examples like Izutsumi from Dungeon Meshi who is covered in fur, has cat ears and tail, and she's tagged as an animal_humanoid most of the time. Likewise, Disney dogfaces like Roxanne and Peg Pete appear to lack fur, have human ears, and have no tails but have muzzles and they get tagged as anthro.

cow_of_fire said:
Oh…

The explanation is this didn't happen with anywhere near the frequency before the new upload page with the tag buttons that assume you know what you're doing on upload.
People who might otherwise not have known the "humanoid" tags exist now see it and assume that because everywhere else a humanoid is any character with a human-like body layout they should slam the button for it.

alphamule said:
A suffix of oid and and adding '-like' to a word means the same thing? :shrugs:

Maybe "semi-human" or "mostly human" would be better? I don't know; I just know "humanoid" has to go. That tag family has become less than useless, it's become directly harmful to its intended purpose.

lendrimujina said:
Maybe "semi-human" or "mostly human" would be better?

I'm not sure I'd call stuff like androids and elemental_humanoids either of those.

dba_afish said:
I'm not sure I'd call stuff like androids and elemental_humanoids either of those.

Well, fuck. "Modified human"? "Barely nonhuman"? Maybe just go the Pokémon route and say "Humanshape". I don't know.

It's hard to come up with a clear term that simultaneously covers all of what we mean and only what we mean.

Maybe some sort of primer should be added to the upload page or elsewhere for commonly misused tags if people aren't gonna bother checking the wiki and aren't aware there's an intended use for certain tags.

lendrimujina said:
Maybe "semi-human" or "mostly human" would be better? I don't know; I just know "humanoid" has to go. That tag family has become less than useless, it's become directly harmful to its intended purpose.

I'm still team near-human

wandering_spaniel said:
I'm still team near-human

Works for me. As long as we Destroy All Humanoids.

vitreousvice said:
Maybe some sort of primer should be added to the upload page or elsewhere for commonly misused tags if people aren't gonna bother checking the wiki and aren't aware there's an intended use for certain tags.

I don't think that would change anything. I've seen people ignore even huge, bold, red text time and time again.

wandering_spaniel said:
I'm still team near-human

+1, I suppose!

lendrimujina said:
I don't think that would change anything. I've seen people ignore even huge, bold, red text time and time again.

I myself wandered into the accidental report button click when trying to reply to someone, once.
Though I do believe that what happened here is site design has vastly overestimated layman intuition of tags.

Could there may be a tag for things like post #855051 post #3359235 ? I've been going through the satyr tags and removing anthro from many posts that dont feature them and I keep coming across these characters having human facial structure with animalistic features tacked on, things like fur or animal noses, etc. This also reminds me of coming across posts with an otherwise anthro character except they have human facial structure but I don't have an example on me rn.

dinbyy said:
Could there may be a tag for things like post #855051 post #3359235 ? I've been going through the satyr tags and removing anthro from many posts that dont feature them and I keep coming across these characters having human facial structure with animalistic features tacked on, things like fur or animal noses, etc. This also reminds me of coming across posts with an otherwise anthro character except they have human facial structure but I don't have an example on me rn.

That's a bit of a trickier situation. I'd consider the former anthro and the latter near-human, but clearly not everyone sees it that way.

dinbyy said:
Could there may be a tag for things like post #855051 post #3359235 ?

post #1389519 and here we see something thats like both posts combined. Tagging things like this anthro could not be great for searching. anthro posts have animal-like heads, not human faces with animal features tacked on

lendrimujina said:
I'd consider the former anthro

Nah, human face structure (lower cheek is the widest part of the face and the chin projects diagonally downward)
It's an interesting question to pose though given that Media Properties like ArcheAge have in the past designed their fem-furry characters to look 95% human specifically from the front-facing quarter of the model.

Anthroid?

ginkei said:
Anthroid?

That's even less clear.

ginkei said:
Anthroid?

sounds like a portmanteau of anthro and android.

dba_afish said:
sounds like a portmanteau of anthro and android.

Florence Ambrose comes to mind.

An old term that was used on deviantart, but seems to have either been specific to it or has fallen out of use, was 'modern anthro'. It was associated with anime/kemono style, but wasn't exclusive to it.

regsmutt said:
An old term that was used on deviantart, but seems to have either been specific to it or has fallen out of use, was 'modern anthro'. It was associated with anime/kemono style, but wasn't exclusive to it.

that wording is honestly even more confusing than animal_humanoid.

regsmutt said:
An old term that was used on deviantart, but seems to have either been specific to it or has fallen out of use, was 'modern anthro'. It was associated with anime/kemono style, but wasn't exclusive to it.

That sounds, ironically, incredibly dated. Since these days they seem to have significantly fallen out of favor compared to true anthros.

i find semi-human more fitting for a replacement in a similar fashion of semi-anthro but it doesn't feel right compared to humanoid.

i would suggest a feature of little pop-ups of information when hovering/clicking on form button to deal some parts of misusage of the tag for inexperienced users.

ginkei said:
Anthroid?

I'd treat and tag it as "semi-anthro" in addition to "animal_humanoid".

m3g4p0n1 said:
I'd treat and tag it as "semi-anthro" in addition to "animal_humanoid".

semi-anthro is supposed to be for characters that are ambiguously between anthro and feral, not between anthro and human(oid).

watsit said:
semi-anthro is supposed to be for characters that are ambiguously between anthro and feral, not between anthro and human(oid).

ye but I don't see why it can't change if enough folks agree on it.

Seems easier to use semi-anthro for any vagueness of "anthro x something" versus finding a new word for "anthro x humanoid" vagueness.

Unless we just call them semi-animal_humanoids

m3g4p0n1 said:
ye but I don't see why it can't change if enough folks agree on it.

Because they're two different things. It'd be like changing humanoid to include anthro.

watsit said:
semi-anthro is supposed to be for characters that are ambiguously between anthro and feral, not between anthro and human(oid).

why did we change it to semi-anthro? i know it used to be semi-feral

dinbyy said:
why did we change it to semi-anthro? i know it used to be semi-feral

no it didn't? it's always been semi-anthro, there was a period of time where semi-feral had yet to be aliased, but the tag was only ever added to ~175 posts, more than half of those being added by Jacob.

dba_afish said:
no it didn't? it's always been semi-anthro, there was a period of time where semi-feral had yet to be aliased, but the tag was only ever added to ~175 posts, more than half of those being added by Jacob.

oh it was? I only saw semi-feral before at that time iirc, or it's just me misremembering things.