I've come across this a few times before. In the past I have flagged an image for being 'irrelevant to site' that FFD request was shot down with the following reason 'This is an image sharing site therefore nothing is irrelevant.' Yet today, and a few other times, I have actually seen mods use the 'irrelevant to site' reason for deleting something SUCH AS https://e621.net/post/show/379704 Now if this was truely an image sharing site, this picture wouldn't have been taken down because of 'irrelevant to site'. I believe someone should take a hard look at all the mods and set a STANDARD rule among them all about what IS and ISN'T allowed rather then letting one say that it's good enough while the other wants an actual good reason.

Flagging an image as "irrelevant" is not a valid reason to flag something. If an image seems irrelevant, it's up to the admins to delete it or not. Telling an admin what's relevant and irrelevant on the site is not needed because they already know that

The moment they lay down a line to delineate what is and is not relevant to the site, users will do everything in their power to push and come as close as possible to that line.

Considering the image you used as an example wasn't furry in any shape or form, I think they're doing their job. The rule is don't post things that could be considered irrelevant if you're not okay with them being deleted by an admin. Pretty simple.

Also, 'irrelevant to site' is an invalid FFD reason; it specifically states that on the FFD page where you input your reason. Determination of relevance is left up to the administration, they don't need random users telling them what is and is not relevant to the site's interests.

I would be for a clearer line of what is relevant.

Right now what is relevant is completely up to the mod it hits. A new person is likely confused as to what can or can not get in. :P

CamKitty said:
I would be for a clearer line of what is relevant.

Right now what is relevant is completely up to the mod it hits. A new person is likely confused as to what can or can not get in. :P

If someone has trouble with reading written text in site's rules then it's their problem.

It have been brought up a dozen times before, but every time this is someone complaining without suggesting anything other in that place other that
a) No irrelevant pic at all
b) Everything goes rule
which both would make site much worse.

I mean, I know better rule - let me decide which is irrelevant or not. And I have strange feeling that everyone who wants change is thinking about this rule.

CamKitty said:
I would be for a clearer line of what is relevant.

Right now what is relevant is completely up to the mod it hits. A new person is likely confused as to what can or can not get in. :P

No it's still pretty clear what is relevant and what is not relevant. If it's furry or animal-related, it's relevant, basically. Just because a post is irrelevant does NOT mean that it will be deleted for being irrelevant; it CAN be deleted for being irrelevant, but it's not guaranteed that it WILL be deleted for being irrelevant. THAT'S where the moderator's discretion comes into play. If they feel that the post is not relevant, but has some other redeeming quality to it that the moderator thinks the e621 userbase will enjoy, then it gets approved. If not, then it gets deleted.

As far as I know, the moderators have a very clear idea of what's relevant for e621 and what's not. The grey area comes after that, when determining if it SHOULD be deleted or not.

I am not saying the base line of what if relevant is hard to see.

Just saying the grey area is likely what confuses new people. They see something offbase and flag it, not knowing.

Is it there fault? Sure. I'm just saying it will continue to happen with new users as long as that grey area is there :o

I think it's as simple as...

We have a head admin. We have a team of other admins under him. They make decisions based on the judgment they were given power to use. Their judgment is trusted by the head admin. If the users don't like their judgment, they have options. There doesn't need to be a thread every other day about why they think the site is broken and why the admins should be removed from power.

It's an image site, you put images on it. This just so happens to be a furry-oriented image site, so you put animals on it. I don't see a grey area here. It's not hard to make the right calls based on relevancy. It's not hard to say whether this or that should be approved or disapproved; and I'm quite sure - correct me if I'm wrong - but the admins have to give a reason for approval and disapproval, no? So if they have a reason going either way, the end result will be based on the genuine appeal of the decision.

Where do users come into this? That's all I want to ask.

CamKitty said:
Is it there fault? Sure. I'm just saying it will continue to happen with new users as long as that grey area is there :o

Well, only not furry is currently on the ffd page itself, maybe we should add irrelevant to site as well.

Shaye said:
I'm quite sure - correct me if I'm wrong - but the admins have to give a reason for approval and disapproval, no? So if they have a reason going either way, the end result will be based on the genuine appeal of the decision.

Well, we give the reason for every single deletion, but we normally only give the reason for approval if asked by someone, and most of us don't even care who asked the question, we'll answer them.

Shaye said:
Where do users come into this? That's all I want to ask.

Well, we are users as well, each one of uses this site like every other user, with the difference that we have taken on some responsibilities to assure that the site runs smoothly for everybody and that we have a perk here and there (subscriptions mainly).

So, yeah, "users" only come into play if they have questions about the process involved or about our decisions.
We also try to be as objective about this as possible, if I would only approve things I enjoy this site would have never hit the 340k approved posts.
Of the 25k pictures I approved I would maybe deem 20% worthy to keep around for personal enjoyment, alas many people enjoy thing I don't, or the other way around, so I silence my own standards.

Shaye said:
Where do users come into this? That's all I want to ask.

They post the art.

ippiki_ookami said:
They post the art.

And create forum posts like this.
Also favorite posts, vote on posts, add tags, add sources, comment, add descriptions, create sets, manage sets, change ratings, set ratings, edit wikis, create wikis, manage a profile, fap, etc.
Yeah there is plenty you could do...why is ffding such a big deal?

Yeah, too much stuff around here gets deleted on an hourly basis as it is, you should stop encouraging it. Shitty or not, it should be here, and let the votes do the talking.

Foobaria said:
Yeah, too much stuff around here gets deleted on an hourly basis as it is, you should stop encouraging it. Shitty or not, it should be here, and let the votes do the talking.

As long as the vote system is subjective I'd rather not wade through hundreds of MS-Paint scribbles.

NotMeNotYou said:
As long as the vote system is subjective I'd rather not wade through hundreds of MS-Paint scribbles.

Can you delete the 2nd of both uploaded my posts? Because post #384147 and deleted post #384149 are closely interlinked. People liked the concept but, too bad you don't like. :(
post #384147 don't have any sense without post #384149

Is this pick relevant or irrelevant?

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130211160749/rsroleplay/images/5/56/No-stop-touching-me-I-am-the-night.jpg

Ko-san said:
Is this pick relevant or irrelevant?

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130211160749/rsroleplay/images/5/56/No-stop-touching-me-I-am-the-night.jpg

Well since that's already been deleted once, I think it's safe to assume it's irrelevant.

Ko-san said:
Is this pick relevant or irrelevant?

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130211160749/rsroleplay/images/5/56/No-stop-touching-me-I-am-the-night.jpg

Irrelevant.
Memes and other captioned pictures are rarely approved by us, the ones you see either serve a "direct purpose" as a quick reaction image on the site, were completely drawn and not photographed or are in-jokes.

Loc0 said:
Can you delete the 2nd of both uploaded my posts? Because post #384147 and deleted post #384149 are closely interlinked. People liked the concept but, too bad you don't like. :(
post #384147 don't have any sense without post #384149

Huh, that is a pretty cool concept, I restored the deleted post.

NotMeNotYou said:
Irrelevant.
Memes and other captioned pictures are rarely approved by us, the ones you see either serve a "direct purpose" as a quick reaction image on the site, were completely drawn and not photographed or are in-jokes.

Huh, that is a pretty cool concept, I restored the deleted post.

Than you very much! You are kind!