Hey everyone!

In regards to the recent transgender tag, we were also looking at the intersex tag and wanted to get everyone's thoughts on it.

Do you like it?
Do you hate it?
Can it be made better?
Should it be aliased/implicated to something else?

Discuss!

Drop the nuke on that tag
Edit: the transgender tag, not intersex

Personally, I don't like it much.
That being said, it's the best way to search for both herm and dickgirl images for those who enjoy them.

It's a coin toss for me.

I'd prefer using transgender instead of intersex, but I know full well people are already planning on foaming at the mouth over that statement, so do what you want.

Intersex is correct more general tag for dickgirl, cuntboy and herm. I really fail to see what is wrong with this tag, besides whether it's too general - but even then there is now trend to make such tags. (for example eeveelutions) Aliasing it to transgender is completely misleading, and wrong.

I have absolutely no problem with intersex. As Halite said, it's the best way to retrieve all "non-binary" sexes. I say keep it.

corgi_bread said:
I'd prefer using transgender instead of intersex, but I know full well people are already planning on foaming at the mouth over that statement, so do what you want.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Intersex is correct more general tag for dickgirl, cuntboy and herm. I really fail to see what is wrong with this tag, besides whether it's too general - but even then there is now trend to make such tags. (for example eeveelutions) Aliasing it to transgender is completely misleading, and wrong.

See?

corgi_bread said:
See?

You know, I actually prefer transgender too, sounds more clear to me. and never liked the intersex tag, but yeah, appearently not everybody agrees with this :P

How does something that describe state of mind can sound more clear than tag that is clearly about genitals, and only about them?

Butterscotch said:
You know, I actually prefer transgender too, sounds more clear to me. and never liked the intersex tag, but yeah, appearently not everybody agrees with this :P

If someone is transitioning from one gender to the other IRL, they're considered transgender. You will basically never hear someone be called intersex IRL. Intersex makes it sound like they're stuck in between, transgender is a more apt and descriptive term. It's all about making it less confusing for our users, who have a hard enough time figuring out the tagging as it is.

Butterscotch said:
and never liked the intersex tag, but yeah, appearently not everybody agrees with this :P

Because being transgender is a psychological thing, whereas intersexuality is physical and apparent (thus taggable under TWYS). The herm, dickgirl, and cuntboy tags refer to physical non-binariness, therefore intersex.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
How does something that describe state of mind can sound more clear than tag that is clearly about genitals, and only about them?

Maybe cause I never heard/saw/knew of intersex before I came here :P (and probably the fact that english isn't my main languaje), at any case, this is why I said sounds clearer to me aka my opinion :P

corgi_bread said:
If someone is transitioning from one gender to the other IRL, they're considered transgender. You will basically never hear someone be called intersex IRL. Intersex makes it sound like they're stuck in between, transgender is a more apt and descriptive term. It's all about making it less confusing for our users, who have a hard enough time figuring out the tagging as it is.

Also if someone has a woman body, and feels that he's a man then he's considered transgender. This tag also suggests that having both sets of genitals is just a temporary thing, and it would probably end soon. This is just wrong and misleading especially concerning furry characters. And we're mainly tagging furry characters here.

Also it's funny that you can't accept intersex wikipedia as a "real life".

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Also it's funny that you can't accept intersex wikipedia as a "real life".

Wikipedia definitions and common usage are completely different things.

And what transgender implies to you is irrelevant; considering whether a character is going to be fully transitioned to a different sex isn't TWYS. We're tagging the current state of the character, which for all intents and purposes is at the stage of transition. At the end of the day, the subject matter of what we're tagging isn't relevant either; whether it's furries or actual people. What matters is using common terminology that fits the description and situation for which we're tagging with it, and considering the common usage of that term goes a long way towards making it more accepted and properly used.

corgi_bread said:
but I know full well people are already planning on foaming at the mouth over that statement, so do what you want.

(...)

Wikipedia definitions and common usage are completely different things.

And what transgender implies to you is irrelevant;

LOL. So only thing that is important is what you think. Or rather what you think that common usage is. Sorry you are too blinded to be rationally convinced to anything.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
LOL. So only thing that is important is what you think. Or rather what you think that common usage is. Sorry you are too blinded to be rationally convinced to anything.

Pot, meet kettle. I'm not going to argue with you further, especially if you're going act like such an asshole. You're an elevated member of this community and the staff of this site, stop acting like a rude child.

i dont see a need for transgender tag. Maybe if a character changes their gender through an image or series, but it's not worth the misuse potential. Send it to the moon.

ippiki_ookami said:
Maybe if a character changes their gender through an image or series,

crossgender tag looks better for this anyway.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
crossgender tag looks better for this anyway.

Definitely.

My opinion on this is that the tag intersex is a tad hard to grasp if you just see it on the tag list and have never read about the usage in our wiki beforehand.

If we look at the words, inter is pretty much clear no matter where you come from, it means in-between, the problem is more with the usage of sex, in this case it refers to the type genitals, not the intercourse which is much more often associated with the word sex in other languages.

The other thing I see is that the usability is kinda limited, at least for me, I would personally get much more usage out of a tag like "female_bodyshape_with_whatever_genitals" and "male_bodyshape_with_whatever_genitals" instead of "whatever_bodyshape_with_whatever_genitals".
Alas, finding a proper tag for that would be a much bigger pain in the ass than the current intersex tag.

I think the intersex tag is great. It's about having any mixture of male/female physical body traits, so inter [between] + sex [as in the two binary sexes, or genders as it's more commonly referred to]. So a mixture of male and female genitals, or other physical body traits. I don't think the tag can get any clearer than that.

The transgender tag was a mess between real life uses and transformation uses, but it looks like that's getting handled now. I think the intersex tag is fine the way it is though. I can't think of a way to improve it without getting obscure and needlessly complicated.

So it looks like the intersex tag's issues are pretty much stuck with people who don't read the wiki?

Past that, the tag appears to be fine and serves a valid purpose that isn't fixed by anything else.

There was a comment about crossgender. It looks to me that crossgender is intersex over a period of time (comics, etc). Is that close at all?

I feel that the intersex tag itself is about as neutral as we can get on the subject without actually making things overtly complicated, in my opinion. It keeps things simple and straightforward, for the most part.

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
There was a comment about crossgender. It looks to me that crossgender is intersex over a period of time (comics, etc). Is that close at all?

No. Crossgender is character whose sex* does not match its original one. IMO it should be used in
a) Pic is comic with transformation that changes character's sex.
b) Rule 63 - Known character appears in different sex.

Intersex is umbrella tag for dickgirl, cuntboy, and herm.

post #387399
This is crossgender, but not intersex.

post #121155
This is intersex, but not crossgender.

post #351604
This is crossgender, and intersex.

*Sex, or gender when genitals are ambiguous to be exact. But I will call it sex for simplicity.

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
So it looks like the intersex tag's issues are pretty much stuck with people who don't read the wiki?

Pretty much.

Butterscotch said:
You know, I actually prefer transgender too, sounds more clear to me. and never liked the intersex tag, but yeah, appearently not everybody agrees with this :P

Wouldn't "transexual" be the appropriate word in that case, instead of transgender? Personally I'm not saying anything needs to be done at all, I think the tag is fine the way it is. But "transexual" seems like it describes a transition in the sex of a character, and "transgender" sounds like it describes a transition in the gender-identity of a character. Or are "transgender" and "transexual" used interchangeably? Or is "transexual" considered an offensive term now?

Again, just kind of throwing that out there. My opinion is that nothing needs to be done regarding the intersex tag.

Char said:
Wouldn't "transexual" be the appropriate word in that case, instead of transgender? Personally I'm not saying anything needs to be done at all, I think the tag is fine the way it is. But "transexual" seems like it describes a transition in the sex of a character, and "transgender" sounds like it describes a transition in the gender-identity of a character. Or are "transgender" and "transexual" used interchangeably? Or is "transexual" considered an offensive term now?

Again, just kind of throwing that out there. My opinion is that nothing needs to be done regarding the intersex tag.

Whatever tag stays is fine by me, it's just that as NMNY said, it can be a bit confusing if you just see it in the tag list and you don't know it's meaning, I wonder if the wiki for the intersex tag could be more clear or something because I did not understand it at all when I first looked at it (Had to go to wikipedia lol).

Char said:
Or are "transgender" and "transexual" used interchangeably? Or is "transexual" considered an offensive term now?

The way I've seen it explained is that "transgender" refers to everyone with a mismatch between their sex and gender identity, whereas "transexual" means a trans person who has transitioned or is in the process of doing so. So, it's a subset of transgender.

So are we in agreement that transgender can be safely aliased out?