This is brand new, so things will probably change rapidly with the current staff, but this is what's going on.

Varka has asked for a description section of the website, a place where artists, or someone that can quote an artist, to place information about the pic in a location that is not biased to tagging.

The description does not follow tag what you see, if the image is supposed to be a herm, and yet the tags show dick girl, do not change it. This is the one place where outside information trumps inside information. Any artist is encouraged to sign up, if they haven't, and fill in any information about the image they want.

You can't use descriptions for tag information.

Any spam, inaccurate information and trolling will be treated as inappropriate behavior.

Note, the description is optional, if you don't wanna fill it out, don't.

Once again, this information is up for changing, according to the wills of the staff.

Thank you.

Is it supposed to act like a caption?

Cool was wonder what that was for. Well give it a try out to see were that description thing shows up.

Furry_Fanatic said:
Is it supposed to act like a caption?

It can be.

Was looking for some information about this. Thanks!

better update the rules for tagging then to include the sentence "descriptions are not to be used for tagging purposes." or....something, other wise you'll have hell to pay becuse people will be like "well i saw we can now use this for tagging information!?! QQ! QQ!" hell it happened last time with the name update...

Edit: won't cure stupidity, but...might help inoculate it from spreading like a plague.

Is this going to help looking for flashes without clicking each and everyone to find that one flash we're looking for?

Let's wait and see. Could be very helpful. =^.^=

furballs_dc said:
Let's wait and see. Could be very helpful. =^.^=

Or the other way around (hopefully not), but as you said, let's wait and see.

I vote we restrict this to the uploaders and mods only. This has way too much abuse potential, especially considering we can't see who changes them.

I was thinking contribs (since that is the level artists who upload their own stuff gets)

But either way. It's getting added to post tag history.

ippiki_ookami said:
I vote we restrict this to the uploaders and mods only. This has way too much abuse potential, especially considering we can't see who changes them.

Agreed

Only the uploader of the post and contributor+ being able to edit descriptions sounds good to me. Plus I'll add a user setting to turn them off if you prefer not to have to scroll past giant walls of text to get to comments.

ippiki_ookami said:
I vote we restrict this to the uploaders and mods only. This has way too much abuse potential, especially considering we can't see who changes them.

I was thinking contribs (since that is the level artists who upload their own stuff gets)

But either way. It's getting added to post tag history.

Well adding it to tag history would drop the potential for abuse since you could see who put the description and can also be rolled back if needed.

tony311 said:
Only the uploader of the post and contributor+ being able to edit descriptions sounds good to me. Plus I'll add a user setting to turn them off if you prefer not to have to scroll past giant walls of text to get to comments.

If this gets locked to those 3 types of people there should be some sort of "suggest change", where lower accounts could post what they want in there and someone higher has to either allow or deny it. Or make it possible to lock by uploader, contrib., admins. That way older posts can get their description from all and then the useful ones just get locked to stay like they are.
Also description history.

But irrelevant to that, are descriptions searchable or are they planned to be searchable in the future?

If you're going to make it so that uploaders of a post, regardless of user level, can put information into that section, will there be a reliable way of reporting that field? I don't think we need random people tossing random web addresses into picture descriptions that send people to a compromised site, and no one can fix it until an admin decides to roll themselves out of Lazy Town and remove it. I'm all for restricting it, but Contributor+ only is what I recommend, and not allow it for all uploaders.

I think the uploader should only be able to add a description without contributor+ if they've got an artist tag linked to their account and that tag is present on the image they're uploading or have already uploaded.

Maybe even descriptions to images other people have uploaded if they can prove that they're the artist.

Dont forget to have a HISTORY, like for tags/flags/notes Or else this will be abused and no one will know who is doing it. Also is there a rule about non english? I'm seeing a few non english descs now http://e621.net/forum/show/73893?page=1#p73900

ippiki_ookami said:
I vote we restrict this to the uploaders and mods only. This has way too much abuse potential, especially considering we can't see who changes them.

I was thinking contribs (since that is the level artists who upload their own stuff gets)

But either way. It's getting added to post tag history.

I think only the uploader admins and mods should be able to edit it. Also have its OWN section for history under tags/notes/flags and it could be description. That way we know if there is any abuse and whos doing it

Also can we have a rule so it has to be in english? Or else the uploaded might make the desc "WHORE!" in Russian or advertise in Spanish or something.

I'm already seeing stupid descriptions pop up on images.

Seven_Twenty said:
I think the uploader should only be able to add a description without contributor+ if they've got an artist tag linked to their account and that tag is present on the image they're uploading or have already uploaded.

I like this idea. Not sure how feasible it is with the current iteration of Ouroboros, we'll have to see what Tony/Aurali say.

In addition, are you going to add a description change/update counter on people's user pages, like the tag/note/wiki edit counters? Would make tracking user description edits a little easier, I'd imagine.

tony311 said:
Only the uploader of the post and contributor+ being able to edit descriptions sounds good to me. Plus I'll add a user setting to turn them off if you prefer not to have to scroll past giant walls of text to get to comments.

We'll just have to keep making sure artists who have their work uploaded have contrib status :3

Aurali said:
We'll just have to keep making sure artists who have their work uploaded have contrib status :3

You should then probably bump Hardiman, he regularly fixes characternames and the likes on his own works so he'd probably could make use of this.

Contributers, no. Uploaders, yes.
My reasons being that some of us got booted awhile ago from such a level. and won't be able to edit their own uploads.
other reasons are~

Ive seen at least two or three people who got upped to privl and contrib lvl's and the next thing that happened was they were wreaking havoc. (not me, i got demoted by null before he left for the backseat modding...or might have been the joke tags i added and no one thought was funny *shrugs* either way im trying to earn it back now by being good.)

i would say that it should be available to the image uploader, privileged and contributor levels, only! no admin allowed!!1 just kidding, course the admin are gona be in.
As far as being able to track abuse, why not make it like the note tracking system?

Aurali said:
We'll just have to keep making sure artists who have their work uploaded have contrib status :3

I don't want to sound like an asshole who got his level and don't want anyone else to also get it. However I think that removing almost all limits, and giving tag script tool just for being an artist in not the best idea. Maybe there should be additional "Artist" level, which would grant access to description field, and maybe will remove upload limit.

Some thoughts:
We could use some "model" descriptions as examples to follow after.

I am confused as to how any a textual description of an image is really going to help anyone out unless it's searchable some how. I guess I can kinda see how it might be useful on weird edge case pictures like Soul_Vore or perhaps good for describing a picture as Incest when it's otherwise unclear but that still doesn't actually clear up the use of those actual tags. If a picture is tagged incest but there is no visible indicator of it on the picture and it has a picture description noting it as an incest picture should the tag of incest be kept or removed?

I am at a loss as to how someone might describe a picture of, say, two herms fucking in a way such as that they are dickgirls for TWYS reasons and not have it come out like some kind of creepy nature documentary narrator. "Ah! And here we see a pair of wild hermaphrodites copulating in their natural environment of some trashy back alley. You can tell that these two particular specimens are in fact Northern Fox Tail Hermaphrodites and not the more common Western Red Tail Dickgirls by the curvature of their pelvic bones and the mating posture ..."

If only Uploaders and Contributors can edit descriptions it kinda defeats the point of the whole crowd sourcing thing that e621 has going for it in the first place. Perhaps there needs to be a mechanism for more plebeian users to update or at least suggest a change to a description. What if we spot typos or poor grammar or such things? Do we open a ticket for each one?

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
I don't want to sound like an asshole who got his level and don't want anyone else to also get it. However I think that removing almost all limits, and giving tag script tool just for being an artist in not the best idea. Maybe there should be additional "Artist" level, which would grant access to description field, and maybe will remove upload limit.

We've been doing it for years like this. Contributor IS the artist level.

Aurali said:
We've been doing it for years like this. Contributor IS the artist level.

Wiki descriptions suggests that this is something more/different* than artist level.

http://e621.net/help/users states:

Contributor
The next level up from privileged. This account type is given to e621's power-users whom we completely trust with contributing quality content to the site. Includes all of the perks that you receive with a privileged account plus the perks listed below:

No upload limit, and posts are automatically approved upon upload
No wait after registration to upload or vote on posts

How to become one:
We offer contributor accounts to well-known members of the community who have dedicated a lot of work to improving e621. To improve your chances of being selected, upload lots of high-quality posts, help out with tickets, or make lots of good wiki edits. Being active and helpful on the forum and the IRC and being a positive role model for the comunity are especially good ways to get noticed.

*If it was only for artists I wouldn't get it in the first place.

Just to be clear, I don't want to remove from artists things like no upload limit, no need for post approval, right to add their description etc. I just think that other tools, like tag scripting, no tag limit etc. may be misused even without bad intention of user. It's better to grant access to these tools to people we know that they are familiar with site's rules.

Aurali said:
We've been doing it for years like this. Contributor IS the artist level.

https://e621.net/user/show/61353
https://e621.net/user/show/12705
https://e621.net/user/show/46
https://e621.net/user/show/58

Then why are those users at that level? Not for nothing, they're all exceptionally productive members of this website and they've earned it, but Contributor doesn't really fit with Artist. I agree with Gilda, having a separate Artist level would be nice, without the extra fluff that comes with being a Contributor.

So in order of least ability and recognition to most, it would be:

Member
Privileged/Artist
Contributor
Test Janitor
Admin
Rocket_Corgi

Not sure how having a separate Artist level would be bad. Increased upload count, posts don't require approval by a mod, ability to add and edit descriptions on images they uploaded (or images tagged with their artist: tag). Not much different than Privileged, but it says 'This person is an artist that willingly posts their art to E621'.

On a slightly related note, what's with the dozen or so Contributor-level users with very few uploads? There ought to be a threshold for that sort of thing, otherwise I could upload something I drew and be considered for Contributor level.

ippiki_ookami said:
I was thinking contribs (since that is the level artists who upload their own stuff gets)

But either way. It's getting added to post tag history.

For the record, I did not say this. Someone edited my post to say it.

ippiki_ookami said:
For the record, I did not say this. Someone edited my post to say it.

Oh snap. Sounds like it's on like Donkey Kong.

ippiki_ookami said:
For the record, I did not say this. Someone edited my post to say it.

Yeah, I did it! nyah hahahaha! :P

Rocket_Corgi said:

So in order of least ability and recognition to most, it would be:

Member
Privileged/Artist
Contributor
Test Janitor
Admin
Rocket_Corgi

You forgot janitor and mod

Aside, I think setting it to uploader + priv+ would be easiest. We are regulating who gets priv+ now a lot more than we were and letting the uploader fill it in also would be easy because then they can't damage the site any more than they have by uploading

Just for the record, what's the first post to have been descriptionized/captioned?

Rainbow_Dash said:
You forgot janitor and mod

I left those out because no one is at that level, and they don't seem to be serving a purpose at the moment. More like placeholder levels.

ArdesCadaver said:
Just for the record, what's the first post to have been descriptionized/captioned?

Pretty sure it was a post that got deleted. Saw the caption an was like...that's new