Reference link to the drama-filled previous thread: https://e621.net/forum/show/93307?page=5
Lets try and keep the drama to a minimum okay? Because you've been the major source of it on this topic, yes, I am going to call you out specifically on this, Gilda- If you can't keep it civil, please just don't post.
Relevant posts from the previous thread to continue from below.
Rainbow Dash said:
In my opinion it is the physical traits such as straight hair, and that personality alone does not warrant the tag. So the wiki should be defined further to state that although most of the time she is insane, sometimes she is just the sad rock farm pony and the tag would still apply.
If our tags were more flexible in allowing for aliasing more than one tag at a time, then by all means it would be set up differently, but we just don't have the ability to do that.
The simple, bottom line of why this tag is staying, is because people search for it, and we have to cater to that and not try to make work around searches that they won't have the attention span to pursue and still won't always be tagged in the future.
Rainbow Dash said:
His definition is correct for pinkamena, however people searching for her are going to want to see her how they see her on other sites and from that part of the show when she was still known as pinkamena. He is saying that the reason we tag this character who's only physical difference is straight hair, is because the subject matter that it is often involved with is so drastically different. Otherwise it probably wouldn't be that big of a deal. This tag really only affects those trying to search for it, so removing it is not in everyone's best interests.
'His definition' refers to this post below.
EDFDarkAngel1 said:
Pinkamena refers to the canon character where she goes crazy in Friendship is Magic and, during that time, exhibits a different personality, the scenery/setting tends to reflect a more chaotic/psychotic theme, and the character traits, are all marks that the art is visibly different than the characteristics of Pinky Pie.
Okay, gonna tackle this from the top down.
Going by you saying that it's the straight hair that defines her the most, I have to ask- why is it that this one fanon character gets the specification of being character+secondary-tag-we-already-tag when we have chosen to do the complete opposite for all other characters and their fanon identities otherwise? Whether she's depressed or happy or sad or psychotic, she's still always Pinkie Pie/Pinkamena Diane Pie, whichever between her given name and full name you wish to call her.
There are plenty of other topics that we have aliased to their parent terms (that are searched); again, what makes Pinkie Pie and the fanon spinoff Pinkamena so special? Why do we have to cater to the laziest common denominator? Why do we have to compromise our strict tagging formatting (ignoring the bad low-volume tags (not saying all low-volume tags are bad, said it in that order specifically to indicate those low-volume tags that are bad in whatever way, be they a simple typo or railing against the tag system) that slip through the cracks because there's no way you can stop every use of bad tagging, just clean up the mess whenever you see it) for this one tag? Why can't pinkamena be aliased to pinkie pie, and when they find themselves just seeing images of her they can add the specific types of pinkie pie images they want to see (sad, happy, psychotic, etc), like literally every other character search has to be done?
"...going to want to see her how they see her on other sites..." That breaks TWYS though. We never tag an image according to what is on any other site, only on aspects of the image that can be determined from the image itself, in otherwords what you can literally see in the image. The only exception is character names referencing back to canon so long as they look similar enough to the character that they are known by that name on sight (Just to make sure anyone reading this understands, I'm not disputing that Pinkie Pie's full name is Pinkamena, but the usage of it to name a fanon personality). I'll reference again that we don't tag gender identity, which frankly should be a much bigger point of contention for the purposes of "people search it" than this tag due to how many in the furry community are of a different gender identity (and we've seen the angry posts and comments and comment threads and people leaving the site in an angry huff because of it before, so it's not like it's new).
"He is saying that the reason we tag this character... ...is because the subject matter that it is often involved with is so drastically different." But, as I've brought up multiple times now, we already do tag those drastically different pieces of subject matter. There's plenty of guro and/or vore sitting around that use subject matter that is typically in the "softer and fluffier" catagory (as canon MLP generally is) that is just tagged guro and/or vore as appropriate, no extra secondary character or race tags or anything.
Last point for this post: This tag affects precedent with tagging format as well, which for those of us that do pay attention to that to maintain the tags, is a pretty big deal. If you look through the history of the site, many changes were slow; gradual changes that took one step somewhere, something minor, as precedent, then something else, and then another thing... When the discussion for gender identity first came out around... three years ago?- it was resounding nos. Two months-ish ago when it got aliased, it was pretty much all resounding yes-es because of shifting opinion and precedent of shutting down gender identity (in tag form) and tagging just what was visible, aka the physical sex of the organism in the image. It gets brushed off when it's mentioned, but it really doe happen, and this is a very big, very bad precedent (for the structured format we have maintained the best tagging system in all the various 'boorus) being made of, 'if it's popular enough it gets exceptions to the rule'.
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