Alright, now I do know this probably won't take off, and this topic will most likely be locked and forgotten within the hour..

You know how Furaffinity hosts other stuff as well as images? Like stories, for example?

I know, this may or may not interfere with this site's code or something, but I put forward a suggestion and a question: Why don't we do the same?

Asuuming we DO allow this to pass in the next update, this will, yes, give way to the onslaught of people wanting to write fics of 'varying' quality, which will most likely be poor and full of ponies, yes I know, but this would probably be good in the long run.

And mostly I wanted to mention this because personally, while I am useless at any sort of drawing, my writing skills exceed that or my other artistic abilities, and I'm sure this appies to other people who want to contribute to this site as well.

TL;DR: fics plz?

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
Alright, now I do know this probably won't take off, and this topic will most likely be locked and forgotten within the hour..

You know how Furaffinity hosts other stuff as well as images? Like stories, for example?

I know, this may or may not interfere with this site's code or something, but I put forward a suggestion and a question: Why don't we do the same?

Asuuming we DO allow this to pass in the next update, this will, yes, give way to the onslaught of people wanting to write fics of 'varying' quality, which will most likely be poor and full of ponies, yes I know, but this would probably be good in the long run.

And mostly I wanted to mention this because personally, while I am useless at any sort of drawing, my writing skills exceed that or my other artistic abilities, and I'm sure this appies to other people who want to contribute to this site as well.

TL;DR: fics plz?

I think this was suggested before, and I think it was rejected for the reasons you mentioned.

A section for stories was planned, but seems to have been forgotten.

JoeX said:
I think this was suggested before, and I think it was rejected for the reasons you mentioned.

Yeah, I kind of guessed.. :|

But really, there could be rules applied to it that images don't have. Like, I don't know, a minimum word count? Perhaps grammar rules?

I think that would be hard to enforce. To be entirely honest, I'm not sure the Danbooru engine can handle that. It may also cause problems, because it means modifying the servers, which may cause Danbooru to shut the site down.

You could do it with no software changes by putting the story body in the description field of an upload. The E621 software is primarily a image host though, so you would need to have some image (or swf) to upload along with your text.

If the image meets the quality standards of the site, I don't think there is a problem putting any kind of story in the description to go with it.

Site rules would need to be changed to allow tagging based on the description/story instead of just the image. This would be a major change, and probably the largest barrier to allowing stories on the site.

But really, why bother? There are other, better sites for hosting stores, with more appropriate software and better systems for finding stories you'll like.

I think that if we should ever accept stories it should be done on a seperate site that shares the same user database or something.

Peekaboo said:
I'm just afraid such an addition to the site would further blur the lines between what is allowed on the site in term of roleplaying and the likes.

This.

I don't want to encourage this, but some people use the description field of pictures to add a story about that picture.

I'm not a fan, and I'm not sure if it's really allowed, but I've definitely seen it done.

I already recommend this several years ago lol

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
this will, yes, give way to the onslaught of people wanting to write fics of 'varying' quality, which will most likely be poor and full of ponies, yes I know, but this would probably be good in the long run.

Through our voting system and blacklisting it would be easy to weed out the shit.

I suggest this and bug the team about this every so often. Regardless of the quality of these stories, it would really add more traffic and a new section for users to frequent if they aren't a fan of the visual. Other sites that only host fanfics are huge business right now so why shouldn't we join that?

Right now the problems we would face are:
I've been told it would be a nightmare to program. However I think that if we somehow rigged up an upload template (meaning when you go to upload something you can select to upload a previously stored icon from the site) and then write your story in the description field.

The next obstacle is moderating it. Now we don't have to read every single word, but we still need to have a way to at least make sure the site isn't just lawless in the story category. My solution to this was to have users that read the stories report anything they find suspicious and then an admin can give it a read through if necessary. Still a potentially daunting task and major expansion or staff resources needed

The last thing would be tagging. Already tagging still images is a nightmare at times, and stories would probably be worse. We would need to have a sort of tag what you read (yeah, seriously, I know) for it to work and defining what constitutes as a character mention and elude to gender would be difficult.

I think though that it would be worth the trouble for even if it is not perfect, it would still be a great part of the site to have

I love to write, and blips are no place for a story. If the Backlist could apply to these as well, it'd be a wonderful way to filter the inevitable crap.

Tangent said:
I love to write, and blips are no place for a story. If the Backlist could apply to these as well, it'd be a wonderful way to filter the inevitable crap.

If we used the same tag system or an added one, then blacklisting shouldn't be too much a problem. Only issue with that is if we would need a different blacklist or not (which I think not) unless you really can't stand seeing something but are okay with reading about it.

If we just used post descriptions for stories then we could blacklist the same and add story to the type list to be further blacklisted if someone doesn't want to see ANY stories

The only thing I'm wondering is would they be posted as just a jpg image of the story, or like plain text? Because the jpg part could be easily do-able with pools to help organize it. I'm not advocating us to do it though, because with the current post page being like it is, where the only way to view a thumbnail of the image is with a few tags and a tiny image, all the text is going to look like little squiggles, and the only way to see if they are any good is to read through each one. I just suspect an incoming shitstorm of people not understanding how to black list this if it is approved.

Moon_Moon said:
I just suspect an incoming shitstorm of people not understanding how to black list this if it is approved.

So, nothing short of what usually happens.

Moon_Moon said:
I just suspect an incoming shitstorm of people not understanding how to black list this if it is approved.

That's their problem. 'List of words you don't like' is not a hard concept. It's a good reason I signed up here.

Moon_Moon said:
The only thing I'm wondering is would they be posted as just a jpg image of the story, or like plain text? Because the jpg part could be easily do-able with pools to help organize it. I'm not advocating us to do it though, because with the current post page being like it is, where the only way to view a thumbnail of the image is with a few tags and a tiny image, all the text is going to look like little squiggles, and the only way to see if they are any good is to read through each one. I just suspect an incoming shitstorm of people not understanding how to black list this if it is approved.

We would simply need a new tag for it.
Then anyone who bitches is told about blacklisting.
If they continue complaining instead of blacklisting, they get a ban since it's against the rules to do so.

What would make e621 any different from FA / InkBunny / Sofurry if we started allowing stories?

Pyke said:
What would make e621 any different from FA / InkBunny / Sofurry if we started allowing stories?

That is a terribly silly question.

We could make efic21.
please don't hurt me

That being said, I would have to agree with not adding fics. e621 is an image hosting site first and foremost. Fics would just take up site and server space, and undermine the strict "no RP rule". I guess if we made a point of it to distinguish the fic rules from the pic rules, it could work, but people already suck at reading the rules as it it.

Rainbow_Dash said:
If we used the same tag system or an added one, then blacklisting shouldn't be too much a problem.
If we just used post descriptions for stories then we could blacklist the same and add story to the type list to be further blacklisted if someone doesn't want to see ANY stories

Here's the thing I love though: if we applied the same tagging standard and system to fanfiction, we could make one of the best systems for searching fan fics that there is. Most fiction sites just allow you to search a few canned categories, genres, and characters. But what if you want to read an anthro purple dragon dickgirl breast inflation bukakke BDSM fic without running into any of that weird "feral" stuff? e621 to the rescue.

My biggest issue with the possibility of opening e6 to fics? All the tags we'd need to dealias from invalid because we tag what you see not what you know- All those stories would need those tags back. And then all the fan tags like Pinkamena and Molestia and the rest would get renewed with a vengeance.

123easy said:
My biggest issue with the possibility of opening e6 to fics? All the tags we'd need to dealias from invalid because we tag what you see not what you know- All those stories would need those tags back. And then all the fan tags like Pinkamena and Molestia and the rest would get renewed with a vengeance.

Pinkamena is an active and valid tag though, so I don't see the problem with that, however some tags might need to be adapted for just stories, but I'm thinking that is very far and few.

As antagonist said, we'd be very popular for having stories because we'd probably have the best search index of stories in the fandom.

Why make e6 like the other sites that allow stories? Well because there is no good reason why we shouldn't. Sure we are primarily an image site but if we can expand and be a more "one stop convenience" then why not do that?

Also the last thing is that I don't see RP as being much of a problem. Most of the time when a user reads a huge wall of text several paragraphs long, they do not roleplay from it as it's harder to just jump in somewhere, and even if they do it certainly wouldn't be worse than what we deal with now for RP'ers

SirAntagonist said:
We could make efic21.

How about e153? It's the E number for carbon black, the most common pigment in black ink.

Ok, so there isn't really a final verdict on this? And I assume that's because it would take a LONG time to install.

If you really want to consider adding fics to tag system then if you're just going by "tag what you read" then whole tagging system will be useless. When story is romance about character_A and character_B then there is no point in tagging character_C even though xe was seen in 2 sentences in chapter 4 of story that has 120 chapters. It's just useless for people searching for character_C.

On the other hand there is point in tagging even short rape scene for people who blacklist it.
Maybe the answer is to split tags into 2 categories - for major_role_tag, and minor_role_tag.

Another question is, what about spoiler tags? I can imagine people who won't like to see any potentially spoileric tags. Especially in murder mystery type of fic. On the other hand, there is still rape scene example.

What about tags that make sense in fics, but are useless in tagging pictures. Take transgender tag for example. Or something like hurt/comfort. It makes much more sense to use them in stories. Should transgender be unaliased then, or should there be seperate tags for stories only.

Our current tagging system is image based. I don't think that simply adding fics here will work. IMO seperate page for fics, with separate tagging system would work much better.

And before you want to add fic, I suggest to improve how comics - things between fics and pic - are dealt here. Implement comic tags, and better comic search before adding fics.

Wyvrn said
But really, why bother? There are other, better sites for hosting stores, with more appropriate software and better systems for finding stories you'll like.

I pretty much agree with this. But if you manage to make comic tagging/searching better then maybe adding fics it's not a lost cause. Still, seperate site (like 20pc) just for fics seems like better option.

Rainbow_Dash said:
Pinkamena is an active and valid tag though, so I don't see the problem with that, however some tags might need to be adapted for just stories, but I'm thinking that is very far and few.

I still will not accept that until you admins actually give us a logical reason other than "I say so". And yes, I have been waiting all this time.

123easy said:
I still will not accept that until you admins actually give us a logical reason other than "I say so". And yes, I have been waiting all this time.

We have on multiple occasions. The character is a completely different rendition that can be consistently tagged as such and represents a very contrasting type of subject matter. The actual physical appearance is different, the behavior is different and it is even canon to the show. We aren't going to discuss it anymore; it's like beating a dead horse (hue) but in all seriousness, it's a different character like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, and we are going to continue tagging it as such because mixing the two together is counter productive to tagging things in order to narrow searches and make a flexible but reliable blacklist

Now onto what Gilda brings up, which is a very good point. We are really having a difficult time of determining how best to tag stories, and have gone over the exact problems Gilda has mentioned. Where do we draw the line as when a character is important enough to be tagged? Hard to say, both lead to a different search result, both being flawed on one way. Making a separate tag base would be over the top and hard to deal with. The current tags would likely run into more problems too. The other problem is how to section it off from the main part of the site. We really don't need yet another branch off of the site, but we still need it not mixed with the post index

The problems Gilda brought up are pretty much why we can't integrate stories at this time, but if solutions are found we will definitely try to make it happen

Rainbow_Dash said:
We have on multiple occasions. The character is a completely different rendition that can be consistently tagged as such and represents a very contrasting type of subject matter. The actual physical appearance is different, the behavior is different and it is even canon to the show. We aren't going to discuss it anymore; it's like beating a dead horse (hue) but in all seriousness, it's a different character like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, and we are going to continue tagging it as such because mixing the two together is counter productive to tagging things in order to narrow searches and make a flexible but reliable blacklist

Completely: Thorough; consummate. Different: Unlike in form, quality, amount, or nature; differing from all others. No, she is not completely different. Physical appearance is hair, we do NOT tag behaviour and using that is against TWYS, and the only part of it that is canon is that it is her full name in which case all cases of "Pinkie Pie" as used as a tag, her chosen given name, should be aliased to her full name, Pinkamena Diane Pie.

I brought all these counterarguments up before and I do so again. Actually address them this time maybe?

123easy said:
Completely: Thorough; consummate. Different: Unlike in form, quality, amount, or nature; differing from all others. No, she is not completely different. Physical appearance is hair, we do NOT tag behaviour and using that is against TWYS, and the only part of it that is canon is that it is her full name in which case all cases of "Pinkie Pie" as used as a tag, her chosen given name, should be aliased to her full name, Pinkamena Diane Pie.

I brought all these counterarguments up before and I do so again. Actually address them this time maybe?

We're tagging pinkamena because adding stupid tags is like marking territory for bronies. Just like dogs are pissing things, bronies are making stupid tags. I don't want to know what is their equivalent of leg humping.

There, you have you answer. Can we go back to talking about adding/not adding fics to site? There are enough threads about Pinkamena already, and you can always create new topic if you want but don't hijack other topics, okay?

123easy said:
Completely: Thorough; consummate. Different: Unlike in form, quality, amount, or nature; differing from all others. No, she is not completely different. Physical appearance is hair, we do NOT tag behaviour and using that is against TWYS, and the only part of it that is canon is that it is her full name in which case all cases of "Pinkie Pie" as used as a tag, her chosen given name, should be aliased to her full name, Pinkamena Diane Pie.

I brought all these counterarguments up before and I do so again. Actually address them this time maybe?

She is completely different. Her hair is always flat, her demeanor (yes you can tag demeanor as it shows in physical form) is always sad and depressed, which emotions can be tagged when they are displayed. Her behavior is most certainly tagged as it is consistently associated with murdering and mutilating, a HUGE reason the characters need to be separate. This unstable, depressed version is canon.

I have to ask; why the constant hostility to this character? It really, really only hurts the tagging to just alias it away when it has a very easy to differentiate appearance. My question is this: What is to be gained from aliasing away this, and other tags that people have presented that you seem to debunk with the only reason being "We don't need it"?

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
We're tagging pinkamena because adding stupid tags is like marking territory for bronies. Just like dogs are pissing things, bronies are making stupid tags. I don't want to know what is their equivalent of leg humping.

There, you have you answer. Can we go back to talking about adding/not adding fics to site? There are enough threads about Pinkamena already, and you can always create new topic if you want but don't hijack other topics, okay?

That's enough of that. If you must argue, do it politely. It's not a stupid tag. It has plenty of use, it marks a different appearance of a character and users love using it to make searches and blacklist options. How is a tag with 1,000 uses, no consistency problems and a clear, concise definition stupid? Even if you don't agree on it, don't attack bronies for it. This tag is not going away, we have stated multiple times why it is a good and valid tag and we have not gotten any good reason, none at all, to warrant it's removal. The only reason that keeps resurfacing is "it's unneeded" or "it's just a stupid brony tag" or "they are the same character" When clearly benefit is being gained from having the separation

Okay, enough pinkamena talk here, take it to some other topic that actually pertains to it.

As far as stories go, we've rejected the idea a few times in the past because of the modification and dilution necessary to support an entirely different post type. Plus, it's just too far removed from what e621 is all about: furry art. If we ever did stories, it would be on a separate site dedicated to stories.

Peekaboo said:
So, that is a strong no to whether if there will ever being a Stories section on E6?

Is there really a point of posting stories on site that wasn't created for this type of content? IMO creating separate sites for stories and pics is the best solution. Site specialized on one type of content can handle it way better than site that tries to please everyone.

Peekaboo said:
So, that is a strong no to whether if there will ever being a Stories section on E6?

e621 will most likely never host stories, correct.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Is there really a point of posting stories on site that wasn't created for this type of content? IMO creating separate sites for stories and pics is the best solution. Site specialized on one type of content can handle it way better than site that tries to please everyone.

Quality over quantity

EDIT: Pink pony talk removed

tony311 said:
e621 will most likely never host stories, correct.

And this is why I stopped coming.

Peekaboo said:
Aren't there plenty of other websites for erotic stories?

That's exactly the point. XD

Ugh, fine, I'm sorry I asked. >~>

tony311 said:
e621 will most likely never host stories, correct.

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
Ok, so there isn't really a final verdict on this? And I assume that's because it would take a LONG time to install.

The final verdict is it probably won't happen.
It could, theoretically. But if it did, it would probably be in the distant future. And that's a big if.

I would say final verdict is what ippiki said, and also for the biggest reasons of it being hard to integrate and tag, and that it would be a stretch as to our subject matter

It's not likely to happen on e621, being a furry imageboard. That being said...

ALRIGHT! I'm sorry for asking, ok?