So, there's a number of tags out there that are "x_on_y", for example, "herm_on_male", "dickgirl_on_female" etc.
I can understand some of the reasoning here, they could be considered the equivalent of straight, gay, and lesbian.

I'm curious if there's an advantage over separate tags though, like "herm_on_male" vs. "herm male".
Maybe I'm being silly, but it seems redundant.

Hrm, unsure. Personally I use seperate tags in case the x_on_y tag hasn't been used on an upload.

Here's a list of all the tags that follow that format. God, we have a lot of cum_on_stuff tags.

Wyvrn said:
Here's a list of all the tags that follow that format. God, we have a lot of cum_on_stuff tags.

Do we have cum_on_armani? Cuz dem suits.

Wyvrn said:
Here's a list of all the tags that follow that format. God, we have a lot of cum_on_stuff tags.

Yep. I kinda wonder if we should just do what Danbooru does and replace most of those with cum_on_upper_body and cum_on_lower_body.

I'm curious if there's an advantage over separate tags though, like "herm_on_male" vs. "herm male".
Maybe I'm being silly, but it seems redundant.

Seems more like "herm_on_male" vs. "herm male sex". One tag instead of three. Though herms can rarely be tagged as herms in non-sexual situations, so "herm male" does get pretty much same results...

I wonder what's the blacklisting count for those herm_on_* and dickgirl_on_* tags?

Genjar said:
Yep. I kinda wonder if we should just do what Danbooru does and replace most of those with cum_on_upper_body and cum_on_lower_body.

Seems more like "herm_on_male" vs. "herm male sex". One tag instead of three. Though herms can rarely be tagged as herms in non-sexual situations, so "herm male" does get pretty much same results...

I wonder what's the blacklisting count for those herm_on_* and dickgirl_on_* tags?

herm on male is more for the gays/female dominant crowd, depending on if it's vaginal or anal, since it's the herm fucking the male. The other should be male_on_herm and follow the same dominance structure.

As for cum_on_* tags... keep anything that's genitalia (or breasts) separate, then head/torso/legs.

123easy said:
herm on male is more for the gays/female dominant crowd, depending on if it's vaginal or anal, since it's the herm fucking the male. The other should be male_on_herm and follow the same dominance structure.

As for cum_on_* tags... keep anything that's genitalia (or breasts) separate, then head/torso/legs.

Doesn't imply dominance at all.
In fact, herm_on_male and male_on_herm are aliased together.

Halite said:
Doesn't imply dominance at all.
In fact, herm_on_male and male_on_herm are aliased together.

I wrote that when I was rather loopy on painkillers and lack of sleep. I still think the way they're worded they should be used as such, rather than just left aliased together.

123easy said:
I wrote that when I was rather loopy on painkillers and lack of sleep. I still think the way they're worded they should be used as such, rather than just left aliased together.

Eh, it would give them a bit more purpose, but I get the feeling it would cause more mistagging and tag disputes than it would be worth.

Halite said:
Eh, it would give them a bit more purpose, but I get the feeling it would cause more mistagging and tag disputes than it would be worth.

Why? it would be just like straight and gay and lesbian.

123easy said:
Why? it would be just like straight and gay and lesbian.

Not at all.
Giving it some sort of directionality would differentiate it from gay/straight/lesbian.
So we define it by who is sticking a penis in who?
How would that work if the dominant person is the one receiving, and is on top?
Do we go with the dominant one in the picture?
What about if there's no clearly dominant one, like in a 69?

All these are easy to answer if it's straight/gay/lesbian, and with current tagging on the x_on_y tags, but as soon as you make who does what matter to the tag, you have to start answering this sort of question.

Halite said:
Not at all.
Giving it some sort of directionality would differentiate it from gay/straight/lesbian.
So we define it by who is sticking a penis in who?
How would that work if the dominant person is the one receiving, and is on top?
Do we go with the dominant one in the picture?
What about if there's no clearly dominant one, like in a 69?

All these are easy to answer if it's straight/gay/lesbian, and with current tagging on the x_on_y tags, but as soon as you make who does what matter to the tag, you have to start answering this sort of question.

Breaking it down to the most simple, recognizable aspects:
straight is male sticking it in a female.
male on herm is the male sticking it in a herm.
gay is the male taking it in the ass or mouth.
herm on male is herm sticking it in the male's ass or mouth.
lesbian is two girls using toys or bodies to pleasure each other in various ways (the most flexible of them).
herm on female would be the herm giving it to a female.
female on herm would be the female dominating the herm. 'dominating' in this context being used to mean being in control, because of the aforementioned variety of framework with lesbianism, since they can use just the vagina, the vagina and cock, or the cock alone, for the permutations of sex with a herm.

123easy said:
Breaking it down to the most simple, recognizable aspects:
straight is male sticking it in a female.
...

Nope.
Pegging = straight.

Halite said:
Nope.
Pegging = straight.

pegging is not intrinsically straight. It can go either way.

123easy said:
pegging is not intrinsically straight. It can go either way.

What?
No.
Pegging is a female using a strap-on dildo on a male.
Female + male in a sexual interaction = straight.

Halite said:
What?
No.
Pegging is a female using a strap-on dildo on a male.
Female + male in a sexual interaction = straight.

That's not right... I mean, I can see where you're coming from, but it also has the connotations of the definition, "Not deviating from what is considered socially normal, usual, or acceptable; conventional." If a guy doesn't care who fucks him in the ass, toy or actual cock, for example, that wouldn't be straight (bisexual would be most likely tag, I guess?). Rambling a bit since I haven't slept much, hope I'm making sense...

Female dominant anal sex with a toy in the guy isn't inherantly straight though, that's what I'm mostly trying to say.

123easy said:
That's not right... I mean, I can see where you're coming from, but it also has the connotations of the definition, "Not deviating from what is considered socially normal, usual, or acceptable; conventional." If a guy doesn't care who fucks him in the ass, toy or actual cock, for example, that wouldn't be straight (bisexual would be most likely tag, I guess?). Rambling a bit since I haven't slept much, hope I'm making sense...

Female dominant anal sex with a toy in the guy isn't inherantly straight though, that's what I'm mostly trying to say.

It is tagged as straight here.

Halite said:
It is tagged as straight here.

...But it shouldn't?

123easy said:
...But it shouldn't?

I'm starting to agree with you after reading all the stuff you've said.....

123easy said:
...But it shouldn't?

Depends, if we tagged sexuality, then it shouldn't.
What we tag as "straight" is the sexual interaction between male and female.
Just like we tag only sexual(or at least romantic) images between 2 males as gay, or females as lesbian, regardless of whether or not the characters involved are actually gay or lesbian.

The straight tag simply means an image with both male and female participants in a sexual/romantic situation.
Pegging certainly qualifies.

Halite said:
Depends, if we tagged sexuality, then it shouldn't.
What we tag as "straight" is the sexual interaction between male and female.
Just like we tag only sexual(or at least romantic) images between 2 males as gay, or females as lesbian, regardless of whether or not the characters involved are actually gay or lesbian.

The straight tag simply means an image with both male and female participants in a sexual/romantic situation.
Pegging certainly qualifies.

males with cum in ass is tagged as gay, though, and for good reason- That's what most of them are, and what gay guys would like to see typically, so it's the standard. That is exactly what we tag. Not just male female some form of sex.

Alright we kinda got off track. I think the cum_on_stuff tags need a bit narrowing down (consolidating), but should still include the ones like cumming on self, on breasts, in hair, on back, you know a few specific areas

As for the herm on dickgirl stuff, do we need all of them? And are there some that would be difficult to search otherwise?

Halite said:
I'm curious if there's an advantage over separate tags though, like "herm_on_male" vs. "herm male".
Maybe I'm being silly, but it seems redundant.

If you do a search for herm male, you're not guaranteed to get results that show herms having sex with a male, or whatever

Without using 3 tags to search for it(X, Y, and whatever fetish you're looking for), herm_on_male, and the *_on_* solve that, so you can use more tags for other things

Why people encourage making searches for specific content harder, I'll never understand

titaniachkt said:
If you do a search for herm male, you're not guaranteed to get results that show herms having sex with a male, or whatever

Without using 3 tags to search for it(X, Y, and whatever fetish you're looking for), herm_on_male, and the *_on_* solve that, so you can use more tags for other things

Why people encourage making searches for specific content harder, I'll never understand

titaneeeackt!

titaniachkt said:
Why people encourage making searches for specific content harder, I'll never understand

I can understand it for more obscure tag combos.
Tens of thousands of images still lack the basic tags like the gender or orientation; tagme and source_request are not getting any smaller; and so on. There's always so much tagging to be done, and less tags means less work.

But I'm certainly not in favor of getting rid of those herm_on_* tags. Considering the nature of this site, I think those are pretty important to have.

The cum_on_* tags could be pruned a bit, though. Cum_on_thigh, cum_on_thighs, cum_on_leg, cum_on_legs, cum_on_knee...? Seems a bit excessive. Does anyone ever really search for, say, cum_on_shoulder?

Rainbow_Dash said:
Alright we kinda got off track. I think the cum_on_stuff tags need a bit narrowing down (consolidating), but should still include the ones like cumming on self, on breasts, in hair, on back, you know a few specific areas

As for the herm on dickgirl stuff, do we need all of them? And are there some that would be difficult to search otherwise?

titaniachkt said:
If you do a search for herm male, you're not guaranteed to get results that show herms having sex with a male, or whatever

Without using 3 tags to search for it(X, Y, and whatever fetish you're looking for), herm_on_male, and the *_on_* solve that, so you can use more tags for other things

In agreement with Titania, though for slightly different reasons. The number of tags "saved" doesn't matter for me, as much as accurate tagging of the interaction, as that is the method by which we have tagged with regards to straight, gay, and other similar orientation tags. In short, it's not about searching specific content as it is accurate tagging, for me.

Genjar said:
The cum_on_* tags could be pruned a bit, though. Cum_on_thigh, cum_on_thighs, cum_on_leg, cum_on_legs, cum_on_knee...? Seems a bit excessive. Does anyone ever really search for, say, cum_on_shoulder?

....Maybe? Might be some fringe guys doing so. I still think we should separate it into head, torso, and legs. Maybe for legs, call it hips_and_legs?

Personally I kinda like the herm_on_male, herm_on_female, general charactertypeX_on_charactertypeY tags as they describe a particular kind of interaction.

Aliasing male_on_herm to herm_on_male more or less defeats the purpose of both tags as far as I'm concerned.