Currently the "thor" tag can be used in images that include either characters whose names are "Thor" or which contain depictions of the well-known enormous dildo known as "Thor" that is manufactured by Zeta Paws.

I haven't checked to see if any of these are actually of Dr. Laura Berman's "Thor" vibrator, but knowing the community, here, I suspect not. Furthermore, not all giant dildos are "Thor", and if you can't see the "ridge" about 2/5ths of the way from the base (in the real-life object) you can't assume that it is. There are other very large dildos that could be mistagged by people who don't religiously follow the "tag what you see" rule.

The "thor" tag is a character tag. The Thor dildo is not a character.

Therefore, I think we need a tag to distinguish between the two, i.e., "thor_(dildo)".

In addition the following implication would be needed: thor_(dildo) -> dildo

It might also be helpful to re-do the current "thor" tag to "thor_(character)" and to make "thor" an invalid tag to prevent it from being used for both things by taggers who don't realize that the word can be doing double duty.

Not sure why the specific dildo is taggable in the first place.

Probably because it's achieved nearly legendary status in the furry community -- likely because of its, shall we say, "legendary proportions". Google "zeta paws thor", expand the image on their site, and you'll see why. It's one of the few non-vibratory insertable adult toys that is readily recognizable, even when you can't see the entire thing.

Seeing as it's not tagged in large amounts, I'd say just doing it manually would be enough

I'm not sure what you're suggesting, Rainbow. The images in question are already tagged "thor", so I don't know what "doing it manually" refers to. My first concern is that the "thor" tag is defined as a character tag, and dildos are not characters. My second concern is that any character named "thor" is going to get that tag and he'll then be grouped with dildos on a search for his name.

I don't believe I can create tags or define implications. Nor do I believe I can change the status of a character tag to a general tag, although please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about these things.

I'm trying to be preemptive, here, to avoid confusion further down the line, as well as trying to stave off what should be an inevitable question: "Hey, I just tagged a Thor dildo and it came up green! What's with that?"

RedRaven said:
I'm not sure what you're suggesting, Rainbow. The images in question are already tagged "thor", so I don't know what "doing it manually" refers to.

Going through each post and remove the tag

My first concern is that the "thor" tag is defined as a character tag, and dildos are not characters. My second concern is that any character named "thor" is going to get that tag and he'll then be grouped with dildos on a search for his name.

Imagine how it would be!

I don't believe I can create tags or define implications. Nor do I believe I can change the status of a character tag to a general tag, although please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about these things.

Mod/Administration only

Rainbow_Dash said:
Seeing as it's not tagged in large amounts, I'd say just doing it manually would be enough

Seconded, if you want to change all of the images with Thor in them, do it. You don't need to be a mod to retag things.

You guys aren't understanding the issue here. Let me re-explain using a very simple, linear, and exhaustive (I hope) description of the problem.

1) "thor" is a character tag. It shows up green. The dildo "Thor" is NOT a character. It's a thing you stick into various holes in your body, assuming said holes are large enough to drive a Volkswagon through.

2) Except for a few instances where I think an insertable device was improperly tagged as "thor", all instances of such tagging involve the dildo and not a character named "Thor".

3) Somewhere down the line somebody is going to post an image containing a character named "Thor" and is going to tag that image with "thor", thereby lumping the character with a bunch of dildos. Maybe this is not a bad thing, depending upon said character, but this isn't the point of searching on this site.

4) We need to be able to distinguish between the dildo and characters named "Thor".

5) I can't create a new tag for the dildo.

6) I can't alter the current tag to a general tag.

7) I, personally, think that Thor (the dildo) is popular enough in the furry community to warrant its own tag. There are certainly things with tags which have only a couple of images with those tags. There are over twenty instances of images which have been tagged with the "thor" character tag that are clearly discernible as having said dildo in them.

8) Short of removing the tag from images in which the dildo in question is not certifiably "Thor", there is absolutely nothing I, or any other person with "Member" status on this site can do to solve this issue because it takes someone with more rank than that to create or alter tags.

But there's no character tagged as Thor, so you're trying to fix a nonexistent problem?

No -- I'm trying to suggest that we can avoid a problem by being preemptive. There're already enough tagging issues on this site as it is, many caused by not completely thinking through tagging decisions. This is simply one that we can head off at the pass.

As for the problem being non-existent, please listen up. THE "THOR" TAG IS A FRIGGING CHARACTER TAG! Sorry for yelling, but I guess this just isn't getting through to people. "Thor" the dildo is not a character and should not have a green tag implying that it is. Character tags are for people and other characters in an image -- not for things you cram up your bum when you've had one too many drinks.

"Thor" is tagged as a character, which the tag turns green to symbolize that it's a character.
Thor is an inanimate object used as a dildo.

That dildo, which is named as Thor, is marked as a character, which could be misleading reason why is that there's a character named as Thor too, so what RedRaven is saying is that the tag should be noted as a dildo. Like so: thor_(dildo)

Also the reason why I said it would be misleading is because that there's another tag that is "much of muchness" towards thor, the dildo: thor_(marvel)

I think RedRaven wants to prevent new taggers putting misleading tags towards a pic that has Thor from the marvel marked as Thor, the dildo.

I hope I understood this, RedRaven.

If not, then don't worry, I shall slap myself.

RedRaven said:
No -- I'm trying to suggest that we can avoid a problem by being preemptive. There're already enough tagging issues on this site as it is, many caused by not completely thinking through tagging decisions. This is simply one that we can head off at the pass.

As for the problem being non-existent, please listen up. THE "THOR" TAG IS A FRIGGING CHARACTER TAG! Sorry for yelling, but I guess this just isn't getting through to people. "Thor" the dildo is not a character and should not have a green tag implying that it is. Character tags are for people and other characters in an image -- not for things you cram up your bum when you've had one too many drinks.

Ah, I see. Scratch of what I said then. I guess the dildo should be a copyright tag, then?

Uh, why, Keats? Read on ...

I wasn't even aware of the Marvel character "Thor". Thanks for pointing that out, since this just validated my issue with characters named "Thor" being lumped with dildos named "Thor".

Indeed, I imagine that it's possible somebody, sometime, will load up an image with the god "Thor" in it, further complicating the issue. It's also quite possible that there's someone out there whose fursona is named "Thor" and that he'll commission a piece of artwork featuring his character and that it will get posted here.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to push things to logical conclusions, although I suppose an advanced education might help. I rather thought that this was a very trivial issue to understand. Dildos are not characters. Now, that was easy, wasn't it?

Anyway, I think you're the first person besides me to post in this thread who actually seems to understand what the problem is. I appreciate the support.

Should a "thor_(dildo)" tag be a copyright tag? You've got me there. I don't even know if that's a trademark, although I imagine Zeta Paws has a patent on it. I'd suggest a "thor_(Zeta_Paws)" tag, instead of "thor_(dildo)", but believe it or not there are still a lot of people in this community who don't know what Zeta Paws is, and they'd never think of using it for a dildo. Using the tag, not the company, rather. That macro stuff is best left to fantasy.

I think "thor_(dildo)" should simply be a general tag, for now. There appears to be no "zeta_paws" tag, although perhaps we should have two implications.

Implication: thor_(dildo) -> zeta_paws
Implication: thor_(dildo) -> dildo

Someone would have to create both tags, set "zeta_paws" to a copyright tag, and make the implications. That would clear up all the confusion, although images currently showing Thor dildos would have to be retagged. I could take that on concurrently with my ongoing tagging project involving Hardiman images, I suppose, since I'm the one who brought up the issue in the first place.

RedRaven said:
Should a "thor_(dildo)" tag be a copyright tag? You've got me there. I don't even know if that's a trademark, although I imagine Zeta Paws has a patent on it. I'd suggest a "thor_(Zeta_Paws)" tag, instead of "thor_(dildo)", but believe it or not there are still a lot of people in this community who don't know what Zeta Paws is, and they'd never think of using it for a dildo. Using the tag, not the company, rather. That macro stuff is best left to fantasy.

As I would've think it would be as a copyright but yet again I didn't think through enough.

I agree that not much people who don't know what Zeta Paw is however, this new tag should be approved because it will prevent misleading tags and fix the "character color tag" to "general color tag" since it is not a character "with a face", let's say, but an object used a sex toy. If not approved then this problem will persist, I assume.

This is my opinion anyways.

Alright, sorry I got behind on this one, but what I was suggesting was that if the thor toy is tagged, then I'm pretty sure that dildo or sex toy will also be tagged, as they are more obvious, and thus defeating the purpose of an implication

The other part I meant was that if the thor toy does appear then just tag it as like thor_(toy) manually and as a general tag

Aw yes and is there any tag types that need to be changed?

OK, understood, to a point. The problem is that we still don't have a thor_(toy) tag. On the other hand, "thor_(toy)" could also imply a toy (as in children's toys) modeled after the Greek god Thor. That's why I suggested "thor_(dildo)" to avoid any possible confusion about what it actually meant.

I've survived for sixty-odd years by being ever vigilant for situations in which something can cause problems days, weeks, even years down the line, and believe in preemptive action to avoid those whenever its possible. This is one of those situations where I can clearly see that issues could arise, and its easier to do it right the first time than having to go into damage control mode later on to fix things.

We need to leave the current Thor tag as it stands -- as a character tag, just for when someone actually uses it to tag a character named "Thor".

Alternately, can "thor" be edited to be "thor_(dildo)" and changed to general status? If so, that would save some re-tagging work, but like I said, I'll get on that as soon as everything is resolved if this can't be done.