They've all just dropped off the map. I can't even find their pictures anymore.

I got the Queen Chrysalis one and upon talking to my friend about it they mentioned they wanted one for Octavia. But upon searching for the pillow that I think may have existed at one point or another.

If anyone's curious what it looks like. (Maybe you havn't seen the pillows) This is the one I got:

http://i.imgur.com/ZMG2aTF.png

Does anyone know what happened to these pillows? I heard someone say I got one of the last Chrysalis ones they stopped selling them but idk about the rest. And the link I had saved for the page on the pillow no longer works.

Hasbro Cease & Desist order.

Wyvrn said:
Hasbro Cease & Desist order.

Good.

Dakis are just messed up, anyway.

I always found it not quite right to sell them for so much money when it was not theirs to begin with. I understand high dollar commissions from MLP art but the pillows seemed too much in my opinion

Rainbow_Dash said:
I always found it not quite right to sell them for so much money when it was not theirs to begin with. I understand high dollar commissions from MLP art but the pillows seemed too much in my opinion

Really nice colors and textures tho~ Good quality.

Cutedementia said:
They've all just dropped off the map. I can't even find their pictures anymore.

I got the Queen Chrysalis one and upon talking to my friend about it they mentioned they wanted one for Octavia. But upon searching for the pillow that I think may have existed at one point or another.

If anyone's curious what it looks like. (Maybe you havn't seen the pillows) This is the one I got:

http://i.imgur.com/ZMG2aTF.png

Does anyone know what happened to these pillows? I heard someone say I got one of the last Chrysalis ones they stopped selling them but idk about the rest. And the link I had saved for the page on the pillow no longer works.

http://jimmycortez.livejournal.com/530.html

Kayla-Na said:
http://jimmycortez.livejournal.com/530.html

Hm

I'm glad those got removed those things creep me the fuck out

TheHuskyK9 said:
Hm

That's basically the whole reason behind it.

Kayla-Na said:
http://jimmycortez.livejournal.com/530.html

jeebus.

I can feel the assmad coming through the screen.

TheHuskyK9 said:
Hm

Kayla-Na said:
That's basically the whole reason behind it.

SirAntagonist said:
jeebus.

I can feel the assmad coming through the screen.

I honestly COULD NOT contain my laughter I love assmad tears of bronys it makes my life all the more worth it :)

This aside, what happens if that same guy comes here?

Would the site shut down again, like it did ages ago?

Nawwwww :-)

Or even worse, what if Hasbro come here and take it all down?

Kayla-Na said:
That's basically the whole reason behind it.

I know. I don't know what to say

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
This aside, what happens if that same guy comes here?

Would the site shut down again, like it did ages ago?

He won't have a strong case.

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
Or even worse, what if Hasbro come here and take it all down?

They would have to prove that every MLP picture violates Fair Use. I highly doubt they're going to look through hundreds of pages of pony porn and write a case against each picture.

Kayla-Na said:
http://jimmycortez.livejournal.com/530.html

So, that was it. I gotta agree that dakis were hella expensive (at least for me ;_; Not taking into account shipping costs...)

Edit: We have here the designs, though (but it's not the same)

Good job Hasbro.

Patchi said:
Good job Hasbro.

I agree :-/

Kayla-Na said:
http://jimmycortez.livejournal.com/530.html

I don't like this person very much.

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
Or even worse, what if Hasbro come here and take it all down?

They did not take the pillows down because it had ponies on them, they took it down because it had EROTIC ponies on them. It's an image thing they need to protect their image, even if Lauren the creator of the show was okay with it the higher ups would say no, it's a risk against their PR.

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
This aside, what happens if that same guy comes here?

Would the site shut down again, like it did ages ago?

They would need to prove that the pics on the site violate. "Fair use" And since the admins are not earning money off people looking at pony pics then it doesn't count. (Note they earn money off advertisements, not the ponies themselves)

Hasbro can't do shit about the pony porn, unless someone is routinely earning money off it like a job/service. People who make commissions or requests for money are also not effected because it's not a routinely charged product service like the pillows are, or pony related merchandise.

I do however fear for the bad dragon toys related to MLP >.> Neerd to get me one of dem der pony rumps before ya'll take it off da shelfs.

Cutedementia said:
[...]I do however fear for the bad dragon toys related to MLP >.> Neerd to get me one of dem der pony rumps before ya'll take it off da shelfs.

I don't think so. They're don't even look like a MLP character as far as I can tell

This is another story, though...

Xch3l said:
I don't think so. They're don't even look like a MLP character as far as I can tell

This is another story, though...

Yush, I saw that... That's what prompted the pillow conversation actually XD

Cutedementia said:
Yush, I saw that... That's what prompted the pillow conversation actually XD

lol, not to mention the Lyra one

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
This aside, what happens if that same guy comes here?

Would the site shut down again, like it did ages ago?

No it wouldn't, the reason the dakimakura thingy got shut down and was in hasbro's best interest of doing so was because when an artist receives a commission for a copyrighted character, that's a one and done thing, money exchanges hands, and it only happens once, it wouldn't be worth the time and money that would have to go into taking it down. But when a mass production operation charging 75$ a pop comes along it has a much larger audience that it is selling to, with the potential to make a hell of a lot of money off of copyrighted materials, compared to the one and done 100$ commission. That's why you really don't have to worry about the site getting taken down, and besides the point the reason it was taken down in the first place was because a user by the name of Insane Kangaroo started a smear campaign accusing e6 of hosting child pornography, not really because of ip rights.

Peekaboo said:
I actually agree with him for the most part, he has a point about the whole copyright infringement thing.
Or did you mean the bronies?

I agree that he has a point about the IP usage, but the whole thing reeks of a grudge against Kayla-Na. If he was really concerned about the copyright infringement, he wouldn't have apologized to Atryl.

SirAntagonist said:
I agree that he has a point about the IP usage, but the whole thing reeks of a grudge against Kayla-Na. If he was really concerned about the copyright infringement, he wouldn't have apologized to Atryl.

Or Siden. But yeah, as I read, the man had (or still has, I dunno) something against Kayla.

Xch3l said:
Or Siden. But yeah, as I read, the man had (or still has, I dunno) something against Kayla.

The way I read it, the pretentious cock needs to just shut up already -_-

"Thieving furrys" Like, can you get any more ridiculously cocky?

SirAntagonist said:
I agree that he has a point about the IP usage, but the whole thing reeks of a grudge against Kayla-Na. If he was really concerned about the copyright infringement, he wouldn't have apologized to Atryl.

Kayla-Na isn't exactly the most lovable of people...think of everything you hate about egotistical artists, then wrap that all up in outwardly aggressive bitchiness.

Moon_Moon said:
Kayla-Na isn't exactly the most lovable of people...think of everything you hate about egotistical artists, then wrap that all up in outwardly aggressive bitchiness.

2 wrongs don't make a right, you can't be a complete ass to an ass and expect something else to come of it. War leads to war, violence leads to violence.

Moon_Moon said:
Kayla-Na isn't exactly the most lovable of people...think of everything you hate about egotistical artists, then wrap that all up in outwardly aggressive bitchiness.

+1 to this.

Moon_Moon said:
Kayla-Na isn't exactly the most lovable of people...think of everything you hate about egotistical artists, then wrap that all up in outwardly aggressive bitchiness.

The only times I've seen her being aggressive is when people are being complete cocksucks because of her censored artwork.

Maybe it's because I don't use FA, but she seems to get a shitload of flack for just drawing things.

SirAntagonist said:
The only times I've seen her being aggressive is when people are being complete cocksucks because of her censored artwork.

Maybe it's because I don't use FA, but she seems to get a shitload of flack for just drawing things.

No you don't understand, she draws some things that I don't like!

SirAntagonist said:
The only times I've seen her being aggressive is when people are being complete cocksucks because of her censored artwork.

People get butthurt at censored stuff. 'Nuff said.

I always wondered if she has ever drawn the little "censors" doing other stuff than censoring. I like them. What are their names?

Xch3l said:
People get butthurt at censored stuff. 'Nuff said.

I always wondered if she has ever drawn the little "censors" doing other stuff than censoring. I like them. What are their names?

They are called Censaurs: Little dinosaurs that may sometimes appear on your genitals.

Kayla-Na said:
They are called Censaurs: Little dinosaurs that may sometimes appear on your genitals.

Oh, yeah. I forgot their names. Have you ever done them elsewhere? Besides appearing there?

Oh wow, that guy is so full of himself. He thinks he's some archangel of justice when he's really just a butthurt douchetard.

Xch3l said:
Oh, yeah. I forgot their names. Have you ever done them elsewhere? Besides appearing there?

Not yet, but they will soon! :)

After reading that journal it totally flipped my opinion on the matter. I thought Hasbro just got a bunch of claims of piracy and had to act because they were losing money.

Now it appears one upset person took it upon himself to get it taken down out of spite and a personal vendetta. The reason seemed to be more about a hate for adult material than people getting rich stealing.

Kayla-Na said:
Not yet, but they will soon! :)

Whoo!

Rainbow_Dash said:
[...]it appears one upset person took it upon himself to get it taken down out of spite and a personal vendetta. The reason seemed to be more about a hate for adult material than people getting rich stealing.

I guess it was a combination of both

Furry/Brony drama makes me laugh.

Can never get enough of it.

Patchi said:
Furry/Brony drama makes me laugh.

Can never get enough of it.

One day (when I have enough money or currency conversions are way less than they are right now), I'll commish a siamese cat chugging a huge barrel of nothing more than just drama...

Or something like this: post #224092

Rainbow_Dash said:
After reading that journal it totally flipped my opinion on the matter. I thought Hasbro just got a bunch of claims of piracy and had to act because they were losing money.

Now it appears one upset person took it upon himself to get it taken down out of spite and a personal vendetta. The reason seemed to be more about a hate for adult material than people getting rich stealing.

While the guys reasoning for doing it are suspect at best, he did have a point- Making large amounts of money off of someone else's IP in a production line format; it was copyright infringement, plain and simple. I don't hold anything against Kayla-Na or any of them, but I still thought the whole thing was skeevy as fuck and should have been taken down.

123easy said:
While the guys reasoning for doing it are suspect at best, he did have a point- Making large amounts of money off of someone else's IP in a production line format; it was copyright infringement, plain and simple. I don't hold anything against Kayla-Na or any of them, but I still thought the whole thing was skeevy as fuck and should have been taken down.

I just don't get it tho why people can get so angry about this type of thing. What does it matter if she's making money off this, Hasbro is NEVER going to sell this stuff so it's not like they can claim she's stealing their market for it. Hasbro would never think of selling the shit she did and would never endorse it either, let alone ask her for royalties. It's stupid to take someone off the market if you are not going to take the market yourself, at that point you are just taking the goods away from the consumers.

Secondary: I don't know about you guys, but if I had a character that was popular. (See: Marty, or a few other furry characters) I would have absolutely no issue with someone making a pillow with my character on it. (Regardless if it was porn or not) And I wouldn't get all butt hurt at the person who's making lots of money, I wouldn't ask for some of their money, and I wouldn't go after them for it. (Reasons on that vary)

Lastly: I'm not sure why everyone looks at this as the sum of pure greed in the furry/pony community. Just because this asshole made a big deal out of it does not mean that they are sitting there in a giant pile of money holding up the middle finger at Hasbro. They provided a service, (Goods service) To a lot of people. Ignoring the IP they did a good job, the quality of the goods is really nice. (More silky then my bedsheets >.<) The colors on them are beautiful. (Haven't lost color at all) And all the pictures put on the pillows are very nice. (Chrysalis looks very good, but I got the safe version not the explicit one.

At the bottom of his rant this guy claims. "If you are stealing to this extent, I will find you"

"I. Will. Find. You"

I don't care if he had a good legal reason to do this. He's a pretentious cockbag with nothing better to do then ruin a good service provided by the fan community of the show. And now that this service will never be allowed to continue, we will all miss out on more of the goods this group of creators provided.

He's a pretentious self-righteous ass. It's that simple.

Cutedementia said:
I just don't get it tho why people can get so angry about this type of thing. What does it matter if she's making money off this, Hasbro is NEVER going to sell this stuff so it's not like they can claim she's stealing their market for it. Hasbro would never think of selling the shit she did and would never endorse it either, let alone ask her for royalties. It's stupid to take someone off the market if you are not going to take the market yourself, at that point you are just taking the goods away from the consumers.

Secondary: I don't know about you guys, but if I had a character that was popular. (See: Marty, or a few other furry characters) I would have absolutely no issue with someone making a pillow with my character on it. (Regardless if it was porn or not) And I wouldn't get all butt hurt at the person who's making lots of money, I wouldn't ask for some of their money, and I wouldn't go after them for it. (Reasons on that vary)

Lastly: I'm not sure why everyone looks at this as the sum of pure greed in the furry/pony community. Just because this asshole made a big deal out of it does not mean that they are sitting there in a giant pile of money holding up the middle finger at Hasbro. They provided a service, (Goods service) To a lot of people. Ignoring the IP they did a good job, the quality of the goods is really nice. (More silky then my bedsheets >.<) The colors on them are beautiful. (Haven't lost color at all) And all the pictures put on the pillows are very nice. (Chrysalis looks very good, but I got the safe version not the explicit one.

At the bottom of his rant this guy claims. "If you are stealing to this extent, I will find you"

"I. Will. Find. You"

I don't care if he had a good legal reason to do this. He's a pretentious cockbag with nothing better to do then ruin a good service provided by the fan community of the show. And now that this service will never be allowed to continue, we will all miss out on more of the goods this group of creators provided.

He's a pretentious self-righteous ass. It's that simple.

If someone wrote and published their own book and someone started making bootleg copies of it and started selling it, would you be up in arms about that? It's the same principle of the matter. The intellectual property is being infringed upon. Usually cases of fan art are waived, even for commissions, but mass production of anything that can (and will, for anyone not in the brony/furry fandom combo) damage the integrity of the IP is an issue. There's also (and this is where I agree most) the fact that it's being done under the table, ie without Hasbro's permission to use their IP, regardless of why they didn't (Most likely because it wouldn't be allowed, considering the target audience and whatnot). It doesn't matter that they're not making dakimakuras themselves, or that they never will, but that they maintain the integrity of their IP. Do you remember the Nintendo Seal of Approval for the NES? It was used to combat the poor quality of games that were made prior, with things like Custer's Revenge and ET on the Atari. Imagine if Nintendo hadn't done QC and just let anything be made for the Nintendo, like the Atari had- It'd just be another situation with the Video Game Crash all over again.

As for a dakimakura of your character if it was popular- Good for you that you don't mind how your character is used. I'm sure you won't mind when someone else takes the character image and uses it to portray a character completely contrary to the image you've built for it, claiming that the character is theirs and causing who the character actually is to become a muddied topic, either. See, not everyone is in the know about MLP (Shocking, I know). Imagine if the first experience of a product based on a children's television show the public is exposed to is an erotic pillow casing. Show's for kids.... erotic pillow casing. They don't mesh in the public's eye, at all, and that would cause substantial damage to hasbro's reputation and quite likely damage its stock as well.

Sum of pure greed: Mass production of a piece of artwork for very high costs. If you want to get it professionally done, you can get a dakimakura done for 25-35 dollars (25 for a wrap-around print, 35 for a double-sided print as per traditional dakimakura); That more than covers the cost of labour, the actual case itself, and the ink used in the printing process. That means that we're looking at about 35-45 dollars cost for the piece of art each print for an item produced on a commercial level. That's going to turn a tidy profit for the labour put into it; Given that the money is being made off of someone else's IP being used without their permission (even if the IP is a company's), that's not looking very good at all for the 'not greedy' checklist.

Note the store isn't out of business. Just the infringing pony cases have been taken down; The remainder of the store is continuing to operate just fine and will likely continue to do so.

The guy's totally a douchecock, though, I will agree.

EDIT: Note this reply was made at 7:14 Am, and I haven't slept yet, so coherancy may be a bit out for lunch, and there might be some thoughts that just keep coming around in a circle. Please do forgive and try to understand what I'm saying through that.

123easy said:
While the guys reasoning for doing it are suspect at best, he did have a point- Making large amounts of money off of someone else's IP in a production line format; it was copyright infringement, plain and simple. I don't hold anything against Kayla-Na or any of them, but I still thought the whole thing was skeevy as fuck and should have been taken down.

I got commissioned to do the pillow designs, I didn't make the actual pillows, and I only got a tiny percentage for each pillow sold.

123easy said:
If someone wrote and published their own book and someone started making bootleg copies of it and started selling it, would you be up in arms about that? It's the same principle of the matter.

It's not the same thing at all. They are not copying off the show and selling it to people, they took some characters and put them on pillows.

Putting that aside, my point when writing that is he had no reason to be a pretentious cock about it. "I will find you" Is my favorite part of that whole thing, being a pretentious self righteous drama-seeker is all he was doing. He did not care about the IP, he did not care about Hasbro losing money.

It was a personal grudge against the pony fandom and any clop artist that exists in the pony fandom. this is NOT about the IP what so ever.

Cutedementia said:
It's not the same thing at all. They are not copying off the show and selling it to people, they took some characters and put them on pillows.

Just so everyone is clear, you would get your ass handed to you in a court of law if you tried to claim that selling porn you created of characters that aren't yours should be protected by "Fair Use".

http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html said:
Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered fair, such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Section 107 also sets out four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular use is fair.

The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes
The nature of the copyrighted work
The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole
The effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value of, the copyrighted work

When it comes to selling porn of Hasbro's characters:
1. Purpose of the use of Hasbro's IP: commercial, one strike against it.
2. The nature of Hasbro's IP that's being used: fictional, another strike against it, given that Fair Use is more interested in protecting the use of FACTUAL works for the purpose of information dissemination.
3. The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole: the characters are being drawn, portrayed, and advertised as exact copies of Hasbro's IP. Even the names are the same. The ONLY difference is genitals/boobs, which leads into...
4. The effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value of, the copyrighted work: Hasbro could possibly argue that the creation and distribution of pornographic versions of their IP could create confusion among potential customers, which would have a direct impact on their reputation as a company and ultimately the sales of their products. Or in a stronger and more specific example, Hasbro could argue that the existence of dakimakuras with their IP on them has the potential to undermine their own efforts to sell MLP-branded dakimakuras if they ever chose to do so. It does not matter if they actually have any interest in entering that market; they only have to demonstrate that it damages their potential.

And the secret 5th factor :

Fair use involves subjective judgments and are often affected by factors such as a judge or jury’s personal sense of right or wrong. Despite the fact that the Supreme Court has indicated that offensiveness is not a fair use factor, you should be aware that a morally offended judge or jury may rationalize its decision against fair use.

Good luck convincing a judge/jury that you should have the right to steal Hasbro's characters, make porn of them, and profit off of it.

Funny thing is, from what I've seen, the majority of furries seem to think it's perfectly fine to use a company's IP without permission, yet will cry out for you to be crucified if you do the same to another furry's characters. For some reason, their idea of "Fair Use" doesn't apply anymore in that situation.

But yeah, just fyi. :x

Char said:
Funny thing is, from what I've seen, the majority of furries seem to think it's perfectly fine to use a company's IP without permission, yet will cry out for you to be crucified if you do the same to another furry's characters. For some reason, their idea of "Fair Use" doesn't apply anymore in that situation.

This is the same reason people hold anti-corporation protests with a Starbucks in one hand and an iPhone in the other.
"It's not hypocritical if my opinion is better".

SirAntagonist said:
The only times I've seen her being aggressive is when people are being complete cocksucks because of her censored artwork.

Maybe it's because I don't use FA, but she seems to get a shitload of flack for just drawing things.

I'm not saying she's a bad artist, because she is really good at what she does, she's got that naylor-esque quality about that.

Moon_Moon said:
I'm not saying she's a bad artist, because she is really good at what she does, she's got that naylor-esque quality about that.

Have I done something to make you mad?

Moon Moon, never try to complement an artist by comparing them to another artist. It will only end in sorrow.

Wyvrn said:
Moon Moon, never try to complement an artist by comparing them to another artist. It will only end in sorrow.

+1 to this.

No way that just waste of time hasbro gives to others that they owned my little pony is like owning something that is not easy HASBRO HAS TO GO....:-)!!!!!!

Kayla-Na said:
Have I done something to make you mad?

No, not at all. I'm not mad. You keep on doin' what you're doin' it's great.

Moon_Moon said:
No, not at all. I'm not mad. You keep on doin' what you're doin' it's great.

Some of the stuff you said has been a little hostile. I was wondering if I have angered you at some point.

Kayla-Na said:
Some of the stuff you said has been a little hostile. I was wondering if I have angered you at some point.

"A little hostile." That's not even aggressive; this is the internet! If they wanted 'hostile,' they could seethe, froth and vomit hate at the mouth!
He just repeats what he's heard, as do most folk - are you saying there's no reason for you to gotten this reputation?

Tunguska said:
"A little hostile." That's not even aggressive; this is the internet! If they wanted 'hostile,' they could seethe, froth and vomit hate at the mouth!
He just repeats what he's heard, as do most folk - are you saying there's no reason for you to gotten this reputation?

I'm asking him if exactly what I just asked him.

I agree it should have been taken down because this was mass production of unlicensed material and that's is taking it a bit too far, but the person's reasoning being "you are stealing from Hasbro and this is ruining their image" seems pretty crappy a reason to do it because it's not hurting their profits and it's certainly no worse than the thousands of adult images of their products now

Kayla-Na said:
I got commissioned to do the pillow designs, I didn't make the actual pillows, and I only got a tiny percentage for each pillow sold.

Not saying you did. I'm also not laying the blame at your feet like he was, either. The problem isn't with you, but with the site and the pillow cases they were producing that infringed Hasbro's IP. Sorry if the greed part seemed like it was directed at you- it was meant to be directed at the company. Like I said, 7 AM and hadn't slept yet.

Everything Char said

He explained in detail what I was getting at, there. Thanks, Char.

Tunguska said:
"A little hostile." That's not even aggressive; this is the internet! If they wanted 'hostile,' they could seethe, froth and vomit hate at the mouth!
He just repeats what he's heard, as do most folk - are you saying there's no reason for you to gotten this reputation?

Slamming someone without actually interacting with them to determine that what is said about them is true in any way just seems silly to me. Moon Moon's posts so far have read like parroting someone else without bothering to confirm through actual interaction.

From my interactions with Kayla-Na over the years (as both Kayla and as Mel the Hybrid back in the day... jesus has it really been that long?), she's a decent person that is very blunt with a bit of a grumpy attitude, which is understandable given the flack she's gotten. She doesn't like to do homosexual art- okay, whatever. Doesn't mean she's a homophobe. I don't like looking at most homosexual art, doesn't make me a homophobe; why should she be labelled with that when she refuses a commission for it? For that matter, it's her decision to accept or reject a commission; you're not entitled to get your art done simply because you requested a commission. :/ The last group of people that I can find that bitch about her are those that hate that she removes art whenever the bitching and whining about something gets to be too much for her sanity. If I were to get constant hate mail and messages about something, I'd probably take it down when it got to be more than was worth to keep the art up.

123easy said:
Moon Moon's posts so far have read like parroting someone else without bothering to confirm through actual interaction.

Nah, I'm just keeping myself from saying anything that might invoke a week long vacation on my end.

Cutedementia said:

It was a personal grudge against the pony fandom and any clop artist that exists in the pony fandom. this is NOT about the IP what so ever.

I'm sorry but I just can't force myself to care. He could have done it because the silent moon people told him to do it and I'd be fine with that.

Hasbro is NEVER going to sell this stuff so it's not like they can claim she's stealing their market for it.

They don't need to. Disney have sued children's nurseries because they had Disney characters painted on the walls, they had to do something or they would have risked losing their trademarks.

Secondary: I don't know about you guys, but if I had a character that was popular. (See: Marty, or a few other furry characters) I would have absolutely no issue with someone making a pillow with my character on it. (Regardless if it was porn or not) And I wouldn't get all butt hurt at the person who's making lots of money, I wouldn't ask for some of their money, and I wouldn't go after them for it. (Reasons on that vary)

Any characters you or I might come up with are unlikely to appear in TV shows that are viewed by thousands of children so Hasbro might view things differently.

I wonder if there's a way to get some laws regarding intellectual property revised so that corporations can't just nuke someone's product when they aren't making any money off of it, like with what happened to Button Mash's Adventures?

Dogenzaka said:
I wonder if there's a way to get some laws regarding intellectual property revised so that corporations can't just nuke someone's product when they aren't making any money off of it, like with what happened to Button Mash's Adventures?

Exactly. But I think it was because it was almost at the same quality and Hasbro feared they were going to be better (instead of contracting them, which imo, would have been better)

Xch3l said:
Exactly. But I think it was because it was almost at the same quality and Hasbro feared they were going to be better (instead of contracting them, which imo, would have been better)

What they don't want is one of their really high sources of income (neckbeards/bronies) buying other products instead of theirs, and by spending time on youtube watching another pony related thing that isn't the show, hasbro loses ad revenue and the like, which they need to fund more pony, and the cycle continues. There is also a subtle balance between takedowns and intellectual property imagery. They walk the fine line when filing takedowns on fanart using their ip, because on one hand, you could be preventing the main audience, children, and their parents from viewing pornographic or violent material that may change their habits of purchasing hasbro toys. But on the other hand, you could draw more attention via fueling a shitstorm from sexually repressed bronies, who then make it more visible to parents/children etc, and change their purchasing habits.

For your comment on contracting them, there is a major issue involved in doing so.

-Time constraints-
When Jan was making his videos, he can spend all the time he wants with the story he wants. This is not the case if you worked at the company, which would be a timed effort, with an already decided plot and story, and little to no flexibility. Hasbro has no idea how this guy would work with other people etc.

On that note here's this sorry piece of work.

Dogenzaka said:
Oh wow, that guy is so full of himself. He thinks he's some archangel of justice when he's really just a butthurt douchetard.

"Douchetard"
I love you for this

I have a new word to say in Morgan Freeman's voice.

"You see what you did, goddamn douchetard?!?!"
Ahh yeah

Moon_Moon said:
-Time constraints-
When Jan was making his videos, he can spend all the time he wants with the story he wants. This is not the case if you worked at the company, which would be a timed effort, with an already decided plot and story, and little to no flexibility. Hasbro has no idea how this guy would work with other people etc.

Is this really a deciding factor? If the company is concerned about how fast other people can make things, maybe they should get off of their asses and start making better use of their time if one random youtuber is that much of a threat to a large company.

Moon_Moon said:
What they don't want is one of their really high sources of income (neckbeards/bronies) buying other products instead of theirs, and by spending time on youtube watching another pony related thing that isn't the show, hasbro loses ad revenue and the like, which they need to fund more pony, and the cycle continues.

Exactly. We get stuff for free and companies don't like it because they lose money :/ (I'm not totally serious on this. I'm like 90% Serious)

There is also a subtle balance between takedowns and intellectual property imagery. They walk the fine line when filing takedowns on fanart using their ip, because on one hand, you could be preventing the main audience, children, and their parents from viewing pornographic or violent material that may change their habits of purchasing hasbro toys. But on the other hand, you could draw more attention via fueling a shitstorm from sexually repressed bronies, who then make it more visible to parents/children etc, and change their purchasing habits.

Yeah. The noisier ones make up for like 2% of the entire fanbase. And because of that, people look at what they should'nt be looking.

For your comment on contracting them, there is a major issue involved in doing so.

-Time constraints-
When Jan was making his videos, he can spend all the time he wants with the story he wants. This is not the case if you worked at the company, which would be a timed effort, with an already decided plot and story, and little to no flexibility. Hasbro has no idea how this guy would work with other people etc.

Well, I agree. Working with time constraints ends in stress.

On that note here's this sorry piece of work.

Wat.

A "Bring Back Button Mash" petition? God damn it, Internet.

I'm pretty sure JanAnimations announced they were trying to work with Hasbro on re-releasing their content. Hence why they got the green light from Big H to put "Don't Mind at Night" back on the Tube.

Bah. Furry drama is just special.

123easy said:
Not saying you did. I'm also not laying the blame at your feet like he was, either. The problem isn't with you, but with the site and the pillow cases they were producing that infringed Hasbro's IP. Sorry if the greed part seemed like it was directed at you- it was meant to be directed at the company. Like I said, 7 AM and hadn't slept yet.

Was just clarifying, sorry if I made it seem like you were blaming me or anything. x_x I had my reservations about the whole pillow thing, but I needed the money at the time, so I agreed to work with FD. The whole C&D Hasbro issue never bothered me, because in the back of my mind, I knew it would happen eventually. The way the person GLOATED about it in my face however gave me enough incentive to just pack my shit up and leave the pony fandom. It wasn't this single incident, but rather a culmination of many that I just got fed up with it.

Kayla-Na said:
Was just clarifying, sorry if I made it seem like you were blaming me or anything. x_x I had my reservations about the whole pillow thing, but I needed the money at the time, so I agreed to work with FD. The whole C&D Hasbro issue never bothered me, because in the back of my mind, I knew it would happen eventually. The way the person GLOATED about it in my face however gave me enough incentive to just pack my shit up and leave the pony fandom. It wasn't this single incident, but rather a culmination of many that I just got fed up with it.

Quite understood and why I don't blame you beyond agreeing to do the art while understanding what it was going to be used for (Bad Kayla! No cookie! :P). The pony fandom is even worse than furries; More surprised that you lasted as long as you did than anything on that note.

Kayla-Na said:It wasn't this single incident, but rather a culmination of many that I just got fed up with it.

Nobody leaves the pony fandom. It is just not done.

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Jack_Nova said:
Nobody leaves the pony fandom. It is just not done.

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I did, very easily.

This thread turned into a shitfest way too fast.