I'm in need of some clarification. Seeing as how 4 of my post have been deleted one of which was this on the grounds of "no", and then getting a negative record for "posting irrelevent shit" that's no different than this, which was approved mind you, I want to know what is "relevant" and "irrelevant", seeing as how I'm not getting an answer from the admin who removed my post.

Image macros are no-nos. Yours is just a stock photo with Impact font. The other is actual art.

Sargent_D said:
I'm in need of some clarification. Seeing as how 4 of my post have been deleted one of which was this on the grounds of "no", and then getting a negative record for "posting irrelevent shit" that's no different than this, which was approved mind you, I want to know what is "relevant" and "irrelevant", seeing as how I'm not getting an answer from the admin who removed my post.

Basically try to avoid uploading images that lack any artistic merit, and aren't relevant to what the site primarily features. coughfurrycough

ExplosiveBlaziken said:
Image macros are no-nos. Yours is just a stock photo with Impact font. The other is actual art.

This.

ippiki_ookami said:
Basically try to avoid uploading images that lack any artistic merit, and aren't relevant to what the site primarily features. coughfurrycough

This.

And this.

Sargent_D said:
This.

This.

And this.

http://e621.net/post/show/135749 <-- from the not furry tag, You know. This seems to NOT lack artistic merit..just lumping all the tags together will go badly for ya bud.

Princess_Celestia said:
http://e621.net/post/show/135749 <-- from the not furry tag, You know. This seems to NOT lack artistic merit..just lumping all the tags together will go badly for ya bud.

First link was for the macros.

SECOND LINK was for the lack of artistic merit.

THIRD LINK was for the not furry.

That's why I gave multiple links. I'm not lumping the second and third together.

I am neither a moderator nor very important to this site, but these are my thoughts on the matter. Also, I apologize if I insult anyone by accident.

Macros: The approved ones are, if not funny, then at least tickle someone's whimsy. To be tactlessly honest, I find the one you tried to upload overly wordy and not very amusing. Basically, I got a "so what?" feeling out of it. I've also sometimes managed to see macros here that were furrier and a bit more amusing, but they were deleted as well. As a fellow viewer, Sargent D, I'd probably only risk uploading a macro like yours only if it was really good.

Lack of Artistic Merit: There is some visual interest of an artful variety in the approved link even if your mileage may vary on whether it's good or bad. In your upload attempt, any attempt at an artful mood (the only thing in it that I think could come across as visually interesting) is wrecked by the flopped attempt at humor.

Not Furry: I think you could have gotten away with this one had your upload been more amusing and visually interesting, primarily because it is sort of furry-related, even if only tangentially. Still, it's not close enough to override the other problems.

Seeing as how those who commented on the macro loved it, where does that leave you? And if it's overly wordy, then what the fuck is wrong with you? It's not CAD; it's no longer then a fucking text message. And the whole "artistic merit" is opinion, like saying MLP:FiM pics should be deleted because the show is lame. Oh, and sorry if the picture doesn't have 20 different color and shit flying everywhere. Here. *jingles keys*

We like our movies to be full of explosions and we like our burgers to be finished in 48 seconds. Thinking is not an appreciated past-time on the internet by any spectrum.

Clawstripe said:
Not Furry: I think you could have gotten away with this one had your upload been more amusing and visually interesting, primarily because it is sort of furry-related, even if only tangentially. Still, it's not close enough to override the other problems.

Not furry is fucking NOT A RULE

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

Dude.

1. Your kind, friendly staff is not a hive mind. We do not know what the others are thinking at all times.
2. Note that we have differing opinions and try not to stomp on each other's toes.
3. Note that the mod that approved the one post is not the same mod as the one who deleted the others.
4. Note that your kind, friendly staff are busy people with a vast number of things to do. Many of us receive several mails each day and not all mails can be tended to at once.
5. Note that your kind, friendly staff may put off replying to a mail until a time that they are more likely to do so in a friendly, polite manner.
6. Note that we don't HAVE to explain ourselves to you. We are staff not because we offered sexual favors in exchange for power, but because our judgement is trusted.
7. Note that the most recent 'image macros' were posted 6 days ago, 1 month ago, 2 months ago and so forth. A large many of these would probably be deleted under our current standards.
8. Note that many of your deleted images that have been deemed irrevalent are images of real life humans with text. A look under human real you'll note that the majority of images are images where the human is: 1)incidentally in the shot (ie, near the fursuiter, holding the cute puppy, bearing the tattoo) 2) dressed up in body paint in some way to suggest a furry critter 3) or engaged in some fashion with something "furry relevant".. (girl kissing raccoon, creepy hairless nazi cat doctor) ... not some black dude with the words I'M ON CRACK! emblazoned below him.

Look, it might not be perfect, but this isn't the sort of thing you can spell out in explicit detail, or you'll have people uploading things that skirt around the rules and before you know it the rules list will be miles long.

If you want to upload something, but fear it may not be relevant enough, feel free to send me, or one of my other hive-minded moderator companions a message, and a link and ask "Is this okay to upload?" and I'm sure you'll be told one way or another. I'm sorry we can't offer something more solid then that, but it's the best we can do.

Furry is best, Funny is good, memes are not-so-good, not_furry and humans will depends heavily on who's doing approvals at the time and their mood.

as for the specific issue of the 'awesome animals and furry masks... perhaps if the text had been phrased a little more more concisely. "He said he only likes it for the art. Last night, he asked me to wear a fox mask." or "He said he only likes it for the art. ... today, I found a fursuit under the bed." or even "He's browsing furry art again... ...is this why he wants to get a dog...?"

SnowWolf said:
He's browsing furry art again... ...is this why he wants to get a dog...?

Hehehehehe

Aurali said:
Not furry is fucking NOT A RULE

I know. I apologize if my previous post sounded otherwise.

Aurali said:
Not furry is fucking NOT A RULE

It's still listed as one on the rules page, I believe. I remmeber seeing it posted SOMEWHERE recently.

7. Note that the most recent 'image macros' were posted 6 days ago, 1 month ago, 2 months ago and so forth. A large many of these would probably be deleted under our current standards.

then why aren't they deleted? :D

123easy said:
It's still listed as one on the rules page, I believe. I remmeber seeing it posted SOMEWHERE recently.

then why aren't they deleted? :D

Relevency to the site is decided on the spot by the admins who are browsing and approving/disapproving and their moods. I tend to mass approve everything weather I personally like it or not, as other people might. But I do tend to make a judgement on things periodically. Its nothing personal.

123easy said:
It's still listed as one on the rules page, I believe. I remmeber seeing it posted SOMEWHERE recently.

please find it and let us know where so that we might fix that. :D

123easy said:
then why aren't they deleted? :D

because deleting an image macro with a pony in it that was posted 5 months ago isn't going to make anyone happy, and only punish the poster who posted at the start of the 'pony craze' when there was very little art or creativity floating around.

SnowWolf said:
please find it and let us know where so that we might fix that. :D

because deleting an image macro with a pony in it that was posted 5 months ago isn't going to make anyone happy, and only punish the poster who posted at the start of the 'pony craze' when there was very little art or creativity floating around.

http://e621.net/wiki/show?nordirect=1&title=help%3Aflag_for_deletion

I personally don't see how temporal distance matters when it comes to image macros and the like; If they wouldn't be approved now, why should they remain, grandfathered for no reason other than they're already there?

And I'll try to find whereabouts exactly it is that I found it posted.

123easy said:
I personally don't see how temporal distance matters when it comes to image macros and the like; If they wouldn't be approved now, why should they remain, grandfathered for no reason other than they're already there?

And I'll try to find whereabouts exactly it is that I found it posted.

Because a mod who approved them found them humorous and acceptable, and no other mod wants to step on each others toes.

Princess_Celestia said:
Because a mod who approved them found them humorous and acceptable, and no other mod wants to step on each others toes.

Seems to me that some stronger guidlines as to what's acceptable for approval needs to be made, then.

123easy said:
Seems to me that some stronger guidlines as to what's acceptable for approval needs to be made, then.

The rules for acceptable content are fine as it is, what it comes down to is some mods are more strict then others, and some are nicer then others. Skeeter and myself tend to let more stuff in then normal, even image macros, because we find certain ones funny. The ones in question "werent" funny to the moderator who looked over them, so they were removed. And yes, I saw them too. I didn't like them either, so I left it up to another mod.

*facepalms*

you're making too much of nothing. I was refering to, say, 10-15 images of ponies with captions. as opposed to, say, 300 macro ponies.

Princess_Celestia said:
Relevancy to the site is decided on the spot by the admins who are browsing and approving/disapproving and their moods... Its nothing personal.

I don't tend to approve things all willy-nilly. I take the necessary time to look over each and every post I'm confronted with. There may be very precise reasons as to why a post might may no make the final cut, thought the reason shown may be "Irrelevant to the site"

"Irrelevant to the site" is so much easier to type as a reason then a full description since when going through the mod-queue there happens to be multiple images that have to be deleted for that reason and about sixty others that need to be looked at, researched, and, depending on if it's a re-post or not, approved.

Off-topic images are the least of my concerns since we don't get too many and the ones we do get are easily dealt with. It's basically handled by whichever moderator gets to it first. If they like it it stays, if not, then it goes. Simple enough, right?

You guys know you can always ask a moderator, via PM, if you have any questions about whether or not the image you wish to upload is okay to be posted, right. We don't bite and it could save you the negative score on your record and/or possibly decreasing your upload limit. Also if the image was deleted and you have any questions and/or concerns as to why the post was deleted.

SnowWolf said:
*facepalms*

you're making too much of nothing. I was refering to, say, 10-15 images of ponies with captions. as opposed to, say, 300 macro ponies.

And the shota porn.
Not that I...

Uh..

Like that. At all. Nope.

Since when was there a rule against shota porn? :p

Fap away!

SnowWolf said:
Since when was there a rule against shota porn? :p

Fap away!

I personally despise shota, I'd ban it and its cousin if I could. But as it stands, that'd likely not go over well. So I leave those images and their ilk up to the rest of the staff to pick at.

SnowWolf said:
Since when was there a rule against shota porn? :p

Fap away!

My question exactly, when Skeeter deleted some for due to..

Ahem

"Relevancy Issues."

Actini said:
My question exactly, when Skeeter deleted some for due to..

Ahem

"Relevancy Issues."

If you're talking about those ten or so pics by Po-Ju either you or somebody else uploaded the got deleted; images featuring only humans are against e621s topic of relevancy. This doesn't mean we don't make exceptions though.

Quoted straight from the rules :

Off-topic images and any potential fallout from posting them are subject to the whims of whatever mod sees them first.

Since images featuring only humans are off-topic, the decision, whether or not it should stay, is up to either me or another mod/admin who sees them first. Now this doesn't mean you don't have a say in the matter. You could always pm whoever deleted the image and they might change their mind about it.

So like I said earlier. If I delete an image and give the "Irrelevant to the site," there is always a more intricate reason behind it. "Irrelevant to the site" is just easier to say and it pretty much covers all the topics.

skeeter said:
If you're talking about those ten or so pics by Po-Ju either you or somebody else uploaded the got deleted; images featuring only humans are against e621s topic of relevancy. This doesn't mean we don't make exceptions though.

Quoted straight from the rules :
Since images featuring only humans are off-topic, the decision, whether or not it should stay, is up to either me or another mod/admin who sees them first. Now this doesn't mean you don't have a say in the matter. You could always pm whoever deleted the image and they might change their mind about it.

So like I said earlier. If I delete an image and give the "Irrelevant to the site," there is always a more intricate reason behind it. "Irrelevant to the site is just easier to say and it pretty much covers all the topics.

Exactly. Or you could ask for the mod team as a whole to look at it, but thats a surefire way to piss off both the mod-team, and the individual mod who deleted. In general, we're all really nice, just PM us and ask us {Politely I cannot stress that enough} why, and if we'll change our minds.

skeeter said:
images featuring only humans are against e621s topic of relevancy.

Aurali said:
Not furry is fucking NOT A RULE

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

Which admin are we supposed to be listening to, again?

Actini said:
Which admin are we supposed to be listening to, again?

...not furry does not equal irrelevant to the site.
Content posted to the site that is irrelevant to the site is fair game for deletion.
Humans are irrelevant to the site.

Riversyde said:
...not furry does not equal irrelevant to the site.
Content posted to the site that is irrelevant to the site is fair game for deletion.
Humans are irrelevant to the site.

My issue is that I've not seen where the rules stated that humans are irrelevant to the site.

If this is true, or if it's false, can we clarify it?

Actini said:
My issue is that I've not seen where the rules stated that humans are irrelevant to the site.

If this is true, or if it's false, can we clarify it?

http://e621.net/wiki/show?nordirect=1&title=e621%3Auploading

Actini said:
My issue is that I've not seen where the rules stated that humans are irrelevant to the site.

If this is true, or if it's false, can we clarify it?

Humans ARE irrelevant to the site, but EXCEPTIONS ARE SOMETIMES MADE. These exceptions typically need to either be very entertaining in some way, or just appeal to a particular moderator in some fashion. Even then, the amount of human or not-furry submissions that are approved is deliberately kept to a minimum. So while one human image is approved one day, a similar image might not be approved another day (or even the same day).

That's why it's difficult to clarify any further, because it sort of fluctuates. The bottom line is the user assumes the risk that their human or not-furry submission could be deleted when they upload it. Artwork is a very subjective thing, and our moderators are not robots. If you don't want to risk a deleted submission, then don't upload it.

Char said:
Humans ARE irrelevant to the site, but EXCEPTIONS ARE SOMETIMES MADE. These exceptions typically need to either be very entertaining in some way, or just appeal to a particular moderator in some fashion. Even then, the amount of human or not-furry submissions that are approved is deliberately kept to a minimum. So while one human image is approved one day, a similar image might not be approved another day (or even the same day).

That's why it's difficult to clarify any further, because it sort of fluctuates. The bottom line is the user assumes the risk that their human or not-furry submission could be deleted when they upload it. Artwork is a very subjective thing, and our moderators are not robots. If you don't want to risk a deleted submission, then don't upload it.

Here, for all those "why this but not this" people out there
Let me point you to a point to a specific rule and remind people
-MODERATOR DISCRETION IS NOT ROBOTIC-
If a mod likes it, it will be approved normally, but it comes down to a vote. For example I have an amazing sense of humor, (I find everything funny) so quite a few times we've redebated images. Tony on the other hand hates everything, so he's more likely to deny images. If you disagree, bring it to the mods attention, and we'll discuss it and remake a decision.

Aurali said:
Here, for all those "why this but not this" people out there
Let me point you to a point to a specific rule and remind people
-MODERATOR DISCRETION IS NOT ROBOTIC-
If a mod likes it, it will be approved normally, but it comes down to a vote. For example I have an amazing sense of humor, (I find everything funny) so quite a few times we've redebated images. Tony on the other hand hates everything, so he's more likely to deny images. If you disagree, bring it to the mods attention, and we'll discuss it and remake a decision.

[To add on to this]

We have an IRC channel that anyone can use. Come in and ask there for multiple input. There normally is someone available in there that can help you.

Aurali said: For example I have an amazing sense of humor, (I find everything funny) so quite a few times we've redebated images. Tony on the other hand hates everything, so he's more likely to deny images.

On, on the other hand, have high artistic standards and tend to go "but it's crap" ;)

come on into the irc channel -- link's right up there at the top of your screen.

SnowWolf said:
On, on the other hand, have high artistic standards and tend to go "but it's crap" ;)

come on into the irc channel -- link's right up there at the top of your screen.

Would love to, but it's been boked as long as I can remember- It refuses to connect, straight up.

Alternatively, one can download an external IRC client (I like http://www.mirc.com/ ) ... enter in your basic info. For mirc at least (but most clients word similarly...

type:

/server irc.furnet.org

Then, after lots of text pops up:

/join #e621