I understand that the moddies have every right to use this tag. but the count for this has gone over nine hundred already. What's the point if you can't even see any of the old posts?

The purpose of that tag is specifically for moderators. All artists that are on our Avoid Posting list have an implication in the system linking their alias(es) to the avoid_posting tag. It makes clean-up a lot easier.

Users are not expected to have any use for the tag at all.

Most of the old posts tagged with avoid_posting have been removed because they were by an artist on the Avoid Posting list, or owned by a website on the Avoid Posting list. All the tag count means is that there are over 900 posts that, most likely, should not be here. And we implicated everything on the Avoid Posting list to avoid_posting so we could group it together. What is it you want us to do, exactly?

On the topic of "avoid_posting". What about the artists that are not "offically" avoid_posting, but will have the images posted by that artist deleted anyhow? I know there are a few of those, cause last I knew Jay Naylor was basically avoid_posting without actually being on the avoid_posting list. Where can one find the info about who's on THAT list so they don't go wasting upload time trying to post pics by that artist?

Beep said:
On the topic of "avoid_posting". What about the artists that are not "offically" avoid_posting, but will have the images posted by that artist deleted anyhow? I know there are a few of those, cause last I knew Jay Naylor was basically avoid_posting without actually being on the avoid_posting list. Where can one find the info about who's on THAT list so they don't go wasting upload time trying to post pics by that artist?

We don't have a list for that.

Then how do I avoid posting someone from the 'unofficial list'? I'd like to try to avoid having deleted images counted against me for falling into one of those invisible holes.

Beep said:
Then how do I avoid posting someone from the 'unofficial list'? I'd like to try to avoid having deleted images counted against me for falling into one of those invisible holes.

post #128386

Beep said:
Then how do I avoid posting someone from the 'unofficial list'? I'd like to try to avoid having deleted images counted against me for falling into one of those invisible holes.

ask the artists if you can post maybe?

Aurali said:
ask the artists if you can post maybe?

I'd rather avoid that, It's like not being sure about an item you're crossing the border with, if you ask and they say no, you've brought their attention to it and they're going to take it from you.

Beep said:
I'd rather avoid that, It's like not being sure about an item you're crossing the border with, if you ask and they say no, you've brought their attention to it and they're going to take it from you.

then it's your loss when they find out anyway and have it removed

Aurali said:
then it's your loss when they find out anyway and have it removed

If they find out.

Hmmm. How about this then? Is Steven Martin unofficially not allowed? I got one image of his in my current list of things I'd like to upload.

Aurali said:
ask the artists if you can post maybe?

this is ridiculously circuitous when the site staff have access to the information and choose not to make it public

null0100 said:
this is ridiculously circuitous when the site staff have access to the information and choose not to make it public

This.

Beep said:
I'd rather avoid that, It's like not being sure about an item you're crossing the border with, if you ask and they say no, you've brought their attention to it and they're going to take it from you.

That's not true at all. Only about 1/10 artists I ask say no. Just be polite about it and remind them they you will give them credit and will cite the source.

null0100 said:
this is ridiculously circuitous when the site staff have access to the information and choose not to make it public

um.. the only people who are avoid posting are the ones labeled "avoid posting"

there is no "unofficial" avoid posting.
people ask for their art taken down does not equate to getting added to avoid posting list. Okay?

null0100 said:
this is ridiculously circuitous when the site staff have access to the information and choose not to make it public

The list you want does not exist. If an artist wants to be put on the Avoid_Posting list, they'll tell me so.

Some artists CHOOSE TO NOT BE ON A DNP LIST because they either don't want to prevent ALL of their artwork from being uploaded to the site (some are perfectly fine with it as long as it was a commissioner that uploaded it), or they don't want any stigmas that come with having their name on a DNP list. They're fine with checking the site more often to ask for artwork to be removed, rather than having us automatically remove it.

Aurali said:
Fine... since you are all so nosey..
here is the unnoficial dnp list
http://e621.net/wiki/show?title=modonly%3A_secret_dnps

thank you for finally making this information available to the e621 community

Char said:
Fine... since you are all so nosey..
here is the unnoficial dnp list
http://e621.net/post/show/129191

This is possibly the most well written wiki article on e621. Thank you for sharing this important and incredibly relevant information with us all. :)

Also Aurali didn't edit our posts. Nope :)

Nothing to see here. :3

I see often highlights on these so hated DNP lists and DNP artists, but there aren't many kudos given to the artists who embraced the way the internet works...

Why not hold a "do post" list of artists who already posted here themselves, expressed their agreement or the fact they didn't care ?

Some examples :
- Fluff-Kevlar (http://www.e621.net/user/show/5229)
- Moodyferret (safe pics are safe, i guess)
- Seifeiren / Otterface (http://www.e621.net/user/show/1931)
- Scappo (http://www.e621.net/user/show/2559)
- Inuki (see forum #5635)
- Benezia (http://www.e621.net/user/show/12024)
- Knifeh (http://www.e621.net/user/show/6834)
- Mel the Hybrid (http://www.e621.net/user/show/2010)

These are the only ones i can think of right now, but there are a lot more, though less known ones.

You know what. I like that idea. Bonus points for making sure that each artist also has a like to their e621 wiki page, and links to their FA and whatever on their wiki page... and emphasis in the do-post list about going there and checking out artists you like. You know.. something to 'encourage' traffic to them and "reward" them for being nice artists :D

So if there is no unofficial listing for the avoid_posting list, then what happens if I post something by Jay Naylor, who is not on the current DNP list? Will it remain, or will it be taken down even though he's not on the official avoid_posting list?

Beep said:
So if there is no unofficial listing for the avoid_posting list, then what happens if I post something by Jay Naylor, who is not on the current DNP list? Will it remain, or will it be taken down even though he's not on the official avoid_posting list?

Well, given that 99.8675309% of his stuff has been removed, I'd say it's safe to assume that it would be deleted. Maybe not immediately, but eventually.

Yup. check first. if artist seem to have 200 images, but when you click you see 2 pages? you might want to hold off on that :P

Beep said:
So if there is no unofficial listing for the avoid_posting list, then what happens if I post something by Jay Naylor, who is not on the current DNP list? Will it remain, or will it be taken down even though he's not on the official avoid_posting list?

We don't (or shouldn't) automatically delete art by an artist that is not on the Avoid Posting list, assuming it shouldn't be deleted for some other reason. The artist must submit another takedown request.

Char said:
We don't (or shouldn't) automatically delete art by an artist that is not on the Avoid Posting list, assuming it shouldn't be deleted for some other reason. The artist must submit another takedown request.

... The point was that said people are effectively DNP, given that they will have basically anything of theirs uploaded removed, but (for whatever reason) refuse to actually put themselves on the DNP list -- thus repeatedly inconveniencing anyone who tries to post their work, as well as getting black marks on posters' records despite there not being any actual official or clearly-provided warning against posting those artists.

Not saying the site should do anything proactively about such posts. Just let the users know in some convenient manner which artists not to bother uploading. Setting up a page that, say, automatically lists any artist tags with >50% post deletion, or the like -- that would work marvelously.

I still don't understand the problem of just ASKING. it seems increasingly retarded that "Oh I'm scared the artist will think I'm a thief if I do the right thing." what. I've gotten every artist I've ever asked to say yes, and they are happy I asked first.

Kald you can add both Ratte and eevachu to that list of you can post anything..

Just let the users know in some convenient manner which artists not to bother uploading. Setting up a page that, say, automatically lists any artist tags with >50% post deletion, or the like -- that would work marvelously.

yes but what happens when bob artist decides that e621 isn't the devil and says "actually, you know what? go ahead." or "eh, it's not worth the hassle of doing it anymore."

Aurali said:
I still don't understand the problem of just ASKING. it seems increasingly retarded that "Oh I'm scared the artist will think I'm a thief if I do the right thing." what. I've gotten every artist I've ever asked to say yes, and they are happy I asked first.

Yeah, my sister was happy when I asked if I could post her art. It's good exposure.

And for those who think "but what if I ask them if I can post their art, and their response is that they want ALL of it removed?!", let me emphasize that you do not have to specifically ask "Can I post your pictures on e621?". I guarantee you 99.99% of the time, the artist is either ok with having their art reposted wherever, or they're completely not ok with having it reposted ANYWHERE AT ALL.

Just simply ask them "hey, are you ok with having your art reposted to other sites if you receive credit and a link back to your site/FA/DA/etc?" If they actually do want to know what site you want to post their art on, THEN tell them. Otherwise there's no point in volunteering the information if their answer would be the same regardless.

Personally, when I ask, I'll mention that I actually found them because of e621 (even if that's not strictly true, but it's not hard to 'fib' up a line about how you were looking at a different artist and followed a link to them, or, (hopefully) how they already have a piece posted there and you really loved it, so you went looking for more. :) ) I explain why e621, and it's tagging based system is awesome, then explain very politely all the different ways that credit is given to them, how they're linked back to, etc.

If they're a smaller artist, finish up with some hopeful phrases like 'your art doesn't get nearly enough attention... so i want to help you get more exposure. :)'

Oh, and also I mention that if they don't want their art posted (and they already have some) that all they have to do is ask and I'd do whatever I can to help them get it removed... but I don't actually tell them HOW to get it removed, so that I can talk to them and try to coerce them otherwise. :)

Ok just asking a question here since this form is already here. Can the avoid posting list be update with more than just name's of the artists? For instance a example image or more importantly an artist signature if they have one. Wouldn't that make much easier not post there work?

Falord said:
Ok just asking a question here since this form is already here. Can the avoid posting list be update with more than just name's of the artists? For instance a example image or more importantly an artist signature if they have one. Wouldn't that make much easier not post there work?

An easier example would be to have the Artist names link back to their FA's DA's Inkbunny's, or in jeremy bernals case, anywhere EXCEPT his website; probably wikifur or something.

Princess_Celestia said:
An easier example would be to have the Artist names link back to their FA's DA's Inkbunny's, or in jeremy bernals case, anywhere EXCEPT his website; probably wikifur or something.

Well that aside there was this comic by an artist name 'Linno'. I was think to upload because in the dnp page this "New paysite content. If it's less than two years old, don't post it." And it's around 4 years old now and the artist seems to have stop drawing all together can I upload it just forget it?

When I ask an artist if I can repost their art, I always tell them that I want to upload it on e621. Anything else would be dishonest in my opinion, because it does make a difference *where* you repost somebody's art.

If an artist doesn't respond within a month, I'll take that as a "yes" and upload their art. I think it's incredibly rude when you ask an artist for permission and they simply ignore you. When that happens, I don't feel bad about reposting their art even though I technically don't have their permission.

Yea i can forget it he stop draw every were else and joined sexyfur