What is it about macro/micro art that is so seemingly frowned upon here. Like, so I'm getting slowly better at looping animations right? I can't for the life of me figure out why macro/micro art get down-voted so much, is it the angle, the composition, the crossover of characters from differing video game universes? I'd like to know, as my other art seems to do just fine, except for macro art, and I would like to know how I can make better use of said models when making that type of fetish as animation.

Again, I know it goes back to how models are used more than what is used for the most part, but I want to know what I can do to make macro art more efficaciously. If there are problems with the content, I wish for people to civilly address them to me :3

https://e621.net/post/show/709809/2015-3d-animated-anthro-big_breasts-breasts-fellat

Thank you for your time.

As I said before, macro/micro posts are less-desirable here. The reason why I don't "prefer" these sort of posts is because it loses the realistic feeling for the picture, and sometimes might get related to vore, crush or foot fetish.

TheGreatWolfgang said:
As I said before, macro/micro posts are less-desirable here. The reason why I don't "prefer" these sort of posts is because it loses the realistic feeling for the picture, and sometimes might get related to vore, crush or foot fetish.

Hmm, I thought as much, what would you suggest I do?
I think the biggest thing for me, is that I like getting feedback on what I can improve on, more than anything really :P

fox_whisper85 said:
Hmm, I thought as much, what would you suggest I do?

Do what you do best! Amaze people.

I think the biggest thing for me, is that I like getting feedback on what I can improve on, more than anything really :P

Less macro/micro, less downvotes. Although, I can't stop you if I wanted to.

Unfortunately, macro/micro is an unpopular fetish.

fox_whisper85 said:
Hmm, I thought as much, what would you suggest I do?
I think the biggest thing for me, is that I like getting feedback on what I can improve on, more than anything really :P

If you're looking for feedback like that I suggest you try FA or DA. This is an image board, not necessarily an art site. A good 90% of the people here are here to "fap", and if something kills that buzz they're gonna dislike it. Most aren't interested in helping you improve, unless you specifically ask, and even then you'll barely get any helpful responses.

And like Wolfgang said, Macro/Micro aren't really popular due to the fetishes that surround them. There's not a lot you can do about that.

TheHuskyK9 said:
Unfortunately, macro/micro is an unpopular fetish.

So I just not post it at all? Is that what the impression I'm getting? Okay, what types of fetishes should I be posting? To be honest, I do that find....well...that would explain a lot.. -_- maybe I should just delete the damn thing, or rather, flag it for deletion since it's just a waste of bandwidth :/

TheGreatWolfgang said:
Do what you do best! Amaze people.
Less macro/micro, less downvotes. Although, I can't stop you if I wanted to.

I know but still, I guess the truth is out then, huh. Ugh, for some reason I feel a bit..sick to my stomach. I don't know why.

SirBrownBear said:
If you're looking for feedback like that I suggest you try FA or DA. This is an image board, not necessarily an art site. A good 90% of the people here are here to "fap", and if something kills that buzz they're gonna dislike it. Most aren't interested in helping you improve, unless you specifically ask, and even then you'll barely get any helpful responses.

And like Wolfgang said, Macro/Micro aren't really popular due to the fetishes that surround them. There's not a lot you can do about that.

Fair enough...I guess people have their dislikes as I dislike certain fetishes, I suppose.

Sorry everyone, for wasting your time with my piss poor macro animation and for my making this thread :( *Sigh*

fox_whisper85 said:

Sorry everyone, for wasting your time with my piss poor macro animation and for my making this thread :(

You shouldn't blame yourself, you should blame those who didn't blacklist.

This might be a bit of a tall order, but: Consider providing non-macro alternates of your works if possible. Turning buildings into furniture could do well to broaden the appeal of your work.

Washa's post #554042 comes to mind.

Unless a character is smashing buildings or swatting at planes, does it necessarily need to be macro?

Seems like a fair amount of macro images are macro for the sake of being macro, and not because the character is interacting with their surroundings in such a way that warrants it.

Example: post #705530. Character is just standing there. Could be just about any other setting, but tiny city for whatever reason. Could just be simply that the artist wanted it. Which is perfectly fine! It just potentially narrows the audience. (I'm personally not a fan of macro, but I can appreciate images where it is subtle.)

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TheGreatWolfgang said:
You shouldn't blame yourself, you should blame those who didn't blacklist.

Probably most importantly this. If anyone bashes on you for your macro works, they're just not your audience. Ignore them. They're being rude for arguably no reason; On the internet, the easiest way to deal with stuff you don't like is to ignore it.

fox_whisper85 said:
So I just not post it at all? Is that what the impression I'm getting? Okay, what types of fetishes should I be posting? To be honest, I do that find....well...that would explain a lot.. -_- maybe I should just delete the damn thing, or rather, flag it for deletion since it's just a waste of bandwidth :/

I know but still, I guess the truth is out then, huh. Ugh, for some reason I feel a bit..sick to my stomach. I don't know why.

Fair enough...I guess people have their dislikes as I dislike certain fetishes, I suppose.

Sorry everyone, for wasting your time with my piss poor macro animation and for my making this thread :(

....Uh dude? The animation is good and it loops good (trust me, I have to approve stuff everyday and your stuff is a helluva lot better than some of the stuff I've seen), all I said was that the fetish itself is a bit too kinky for some peeps

TheGreatWolfgang said:
You shouldn't blame yourself, you should blame those who didn't blacklist.

Unfortunately...that's a massive Achilles heel I've been going through hell trying to, well...figure out how to overcome and right now, I have to admit, I don't feel so well..

chdgs said:
This might be a bit of a tall order, but: Consider providing non-macro alternates of your works if possible. Turning buildings into furniture could do well to broaden the appeal of your work.

Washa's post #554042 comes to mind.

Unless a character is smashing buildings or swatting at planes, does it necessarily need to be macro?

Seems like a fair amount of macro images are macro for the sake of being macro, and not because the character is interacting with their surroundings in such a way that warrants it.

Example: post #705530. Character is just standing there. Could be just about any other setting, but tiny city for whatever reason. Could just be simply that the artist wanted it. Which is perfectly fine! It just potentially narrows the audience.

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Probably most importantly this. If anyone bashes on you for your macro works, they're just not your audience. Ignore them. They're being rude for arguably no reason.

The thing I like about macro is the nonlethalty, I don't like the fetishes around them that involve death, destruction, but rather, the more unusual side. I.e giving tiny folk titfucks, as it gives a sense of dominance and yet, it does so in a playful nonlethal way. Would simply a larger-than-normal person, but not macro, exhibiting a sense of playful dominance still be frowned upon? Or like, going halfway, not quite macro_micro, but a size difference all the same?

TheHuskyK9 said:
....Uh dude? The animation is good and it loops good (trust me, I have to approve stuff everyday and your stuff is a helluva lot better than some of the stuff I've seen), all I said was that the fetish itself is a bit too kinky for some peeps

Sorry...I'm being too damn hard on myself, I'm my own worst critic when it comes to these things, and I don't like being so hard on myself. My apologies. That being said, would a middle ground be more preferable when it comes to size differentials? And avoiding the typical fetishes, like instead of vore, titfucking, pawjobs, etc?

fox_whisper85 said:
Unfortunately...that's a massive Achilles heel I've been going through hell trying to, well...figure out how to overcome and right now, I have to admit, I don't feel so well..

Like what SirBrownBear said, e621 is probably not the best place to post these type of posts. Going to other sites like FA or DA(<-- more probably this) will not result in backlash from unreasonable people, but you can also get feedback from the community over there.

Would simply a larger-than-normal person, but not macro, exhibiting a sense of playful dominance still be frowned upon? Or like, going halfway, not quite macro_micro, but a size difference all the same?

As long as it don't look too much fake. Probably add a little bit bigger for the models I've seen.

TheGreatWolfgang said:
Like what SirBrownBear said, e621 is probably not the best place to post these type of posts. Going to other sites like FA or DA(<-- more probably this) will not result in backlash from unreasonable people, but you can also get feedback from the community over there.

As long as it don't look too much fake. Probably add a little bit bigger for the models I've seen.

Fair enough...it's just been kind of an off day for me, not sure why, just plain weird. That being said, would something like this https://e621.net/post/show/709744/alternate_color-anthro-big_breasts-breasts-capcom- be too much, a male/female 2-2.5 times bigger than the "victim?" And thank you :)

fox_whisper85 said:
Fair enough...it's just been kind of an off day for me, not sure why, just plain weird. That being said, would something like this https://e621.net/post/show/709744/alternate_color-anthro-big_breasts-breasts-capcom- be too much, a male/female 2-2.5 times bigger than the "victim?" And thank you :)

"That" is size difference, and not exactly marco/micro. It's a tad more popular, but still has it's faults depending on how you use it.

SirBrownBear said:
"That" is size difference, and not exactly marco/micro. It's a tad more popular, but still has it's faults depending on how you use it.

So of the two choices, I want to do size_difference more as it doesn't seem to be as uh, frowned upon, heh. I'm thinking a good example is a normal sized person, and the other, would be 1.5 to maybe even twice the size, max, if that. A lot of my fave fetishes are surrounded with that, more so than macro I admit.

An interesting thought occurs. Things like scat are incredibly unpopular, but I expect scat is blacklisted very frequently, and so scat pictures probably get fewer downvotes than they might otherwise get. Macro/Micro is probably less offensive to most people than scat, but that also might mean it is blacklisted less frequently.

For reasons, I decided to look at the median score of various fetishes. I sort of estimated based on pagecount, rather than actually counting, because I'm lazy, but the values should be about right.

Vore: +3
Unbirthing: +7
Scat: +1
Watersports: +7
Macro: +5
Micro: +6
Gore: +1

Hm. Well, I am surprised by how high the median scores are. I would have expected negative scores for at least some of these.

So how do they stack up against the median post? Well... That's at +8. So they are lower, but in some cases, only just.

Because I'm curious:

Male/Male: +11
Male/Female: +10
Female/Female: +11

Rating:S: +5
Rating:Q: +6
Rating:E: +10

Hm. One last thing to check...

Macro + Rating:S... Basically, if you combine two things that get slightly underwhelming scores, what will you get? And, the answer is: +3. Interesting. I wasn't sure if it would be around +5 (since that's what they both were at), or lower. It seems their power to underwhelm is additive.

I guess I've gone way, way, way off topic. But the gist of this, I guess, would be... It is reasonable to expect your macro/micro posts to get a few score points lower than the rest of your artwork, because people tend to not like macro/micro as much. There's nothing you can do about that.

Clawdragons said:
An interesting thought occurs. Things like scat are incredibly unpopular, but I expect scat is blacklisted very frequently, and so scat pictures probably get fewer downvotes than they might otherwise get. Macro/Micro is probably less offensive to most people than scat, but that also might mean it is blacklisted less frequently.

For reasons, I decided to look at the median score of various fetishes. I sort of estimated based on pagecount, rather than actually counting, because I'm lazy, but the values should be about right.

Vore: +3
Unbirthing: +7
Scat: +1
Watersports: +7
Macro: +5
Micro: +6
Gore: +1

Hm. Well, I am surprised by how high the median scores are. I would have expected negative scores for at least some of these.

So how do they stack up against the median post? Well... That's at +8. So they are lower, but in some cases, only just.

Because I'm curious:

Male/Male: +11
Male/Female: +10
Female/Female: +11

Rating:S: +5
Rating:Q: +6
Rating:E: +10

Hm. One last thing to check...

Macro + Rating:S... Basically, if you combine two things that get slightly underwhelming scores, what will you get? And, the answer is: +3. Interesting. I wasn't sure if it would be around +5 (since that's what they both were at), or lower. It seems their power to underwhelm is additive.

I guess I've gone way, way, way off topic. But the gist of this, I guess, would be... It is reasonable to expect your macro/micro posts to get a few score points lower than the rest of your artwork, because people tend to not like macro/micro as much. There's nothing you can do about that.

Interesting info and stats, and that would certainly explain a lot, actually, so I just pretty much need to match fetishes as best as I can, while avoiding the more unpopular ones.

Things like watersports, scat, gore, I all avoid like the plague and have absolutely no intent to ever utilize them in 3D art, so I can promise you that. Having said that, so something like male/female + size_difference, would probably be a good combination methinks, and definitely something I want to experiment more with. Thank you for that information.

fox_whisper85 said:
Fair enough...it's just been kind of an off day for me, not sure why, just plain weird. That being said, would something like this https://e621.net/post/show/709744/alternate_color-anthro-big_breasts-breasts-capcom- be too much, a male/female 2-2.5 times bigger than the "victim?" And thank you :)

It's hard to say for 3d models, as it's has that perspective issue. Especially since you're using SFM.

TheGreatWolfgang said:
It's hard to say for 3d models, as it's has that perspective issue. Especially since you're using SFM.

I've seen it done very well in SFM, so it can be done, I just gotta practice, practice, practice. I don't want the size to be ridiculously large either xD Anyways, I'd best head to bed, my brain has fried.

I kind of get the feeling that a lot of the negativity towards macro/micro is due to the quality of the art? Though I could be completely wrong.

Plus there's only so many times you can see a giant person crushing a city before it gets boring. Where's all the peaceful macros?!

MissChu said:
I kind of get the feeling that a lot of the negativity towards macro/micro is due to the quality of the art? Though I could be completely wrong.

Plus there's only so many times you can see a giant person crushing a city before it gets boring. Where's all the peaceful macros?!

I don't do destructive macros at all, it's too overused and becoming anathema, I focus entirely on peaceful and playful ones, heck, on my FA and DA accounts, I never once show them destroying cities or killing micros, I despise that part of the fetish. I think it's those fetishes that ruin it, and sadly, because of these fetishes that surround macro micro, safe/nonlethal art about it will be lumped together. I'll have to upload that stuff to FA instead.

Thanks a lot, death-destruction related fetishes -_-

Clawdragons said:

An interesting thought occurs. Things like scat are incredibly unpopular, but I expect scat is blacklisted very frequently, and so scat pictures probably get fewer downvotes than they might otherwise get. Macro/Micro is probably less offensive to most people than scat, but that also might mean it is blacklisted less frequently.

For reasons, I decided to look at the median score of various fetishes. I sort of estimated based on pagecount, rather than actually counting, because I'm lazy, but the values should be about right.

Vore: +3
Unbirthing: +7
Scat: +1
Watersports: +7
Macro: +5
Micro: +6
Gore: +1

Hm. Well, I am surprised by how high the median scores are. I would have expected negative scores for at least some of these.

So how do they stack up against the median post? Well... That's at +8. So they are lower, but in some cases, only just.

Because I'm curious:

Male/Male: +11
Male/Female: +10
Female/Female: +11

Rating:S: +5
Rating:Q: +6
Rating:E: +10

Hm. One last thing to check...

Macro + Rating:S... Basically, if you combine two things that get slightly underwhelming scores, what will you get? And, the answer is: +3. Interesting. I wasn't sure if it would be around +5 (since that's what they both were at), or lower. It seems their power to underwhelm is additive.

I guess I've gone way, way, way off topic. But the gist of this, I guess, would be... It is reasonable to expect your macro/micro posts to get a few score points lower than the rest of your artwork, because people tend to not like macro/micro as much. There's nothing you can do about that.

You also have to take into account the people that actually do use their blacklists correctly, especially on more "out-there" fetishes, like scat and macro.
There are going to be less downvotes due to people who would normally downvote them not seeing them/voting. So this also means that people that do want to see the posts are generally going to vote positive or not vote at all.

Moon_Moon said:
You also have to take into account the people that actually do use their blacklists correctly, especially on more "out-there" fetishes, like scat and macro.
There are going to be less downvotes due to people who would normally downvote them not seeing them/voting. So this also means that people that do want to see the posts are generally going to vote positive or not vote at all.

I suspect people aren't using blacklists, I don't get why people look at something they don't like just to downvote it, it's a waste of time. If people don't like something, they should block it, it's not that hard.

Moon_Moon said:
You also have to take into account the people that actually do use their blacklists correctly, especially on more "out-there" fetishes, like scat and macro.
There are going to be less downvotes due to people who would normally downvote them not seeing them/voting. So this also means that people that do want to see the posts are generally going to vote positive or not vote at all.

Yeah, I know, that was one of the things I was looking at. Maybe I didn't make that clear?