Are not going to be allowed anymore. Humans are irrelevant to e621 anyway...

All images with only humanized MLP characters will be completely removed, to avoid effecting your upload limit too badly. Feel free to flag any new uploaded images with just humanized MLP characters in them.

Riversyde said:
Humans are irrelevant to e621 anyway...

But use users ar...*poof*
ghost-town

ktkr said:
But use users ar...*poof*
ghost-town

Apparently it was just you.

Nooooo... My ponies....

Oh wait, I think I uploaded like... 1 humanized pony. Wait... unless there was a generalized deleting of "my_little_pony humanized"... cuz I think I had some kemonomimi types in there... hmm. Oh well.

But, I'd argue that humanized animal characters are more relevant then, say... much of what you'd find if you searched 'human'... because sexy anime babe standing on the beach bending over is totally relevant :3

((Personally, I think I could delete like, a fifth of the posted MLP images if someone would give me the big 'delete' button. XD so many of these pictures aren't worth a flip... My 'to post' folder is FULL of ponies, but they're the GOOD ponies not the "LOL THIS IMAGE CONTAINS PONIES" ponies. *grumble* ))

It'd be great to see that policy generalized to all of the pictures of human girls with animal ears and a tail stuck on.

Riversyde is taking my ponies away..

Aurali said:
Riversyde is taking my ponies away..

You can keep your animal ponies... humanized ponies are a no-no, though.

Riversyde concluded:
Humans are inefficient and must be destroyed

Personally I say to keep a representative sample of the better/funnier ones. Subjective as hell, I know, but there's a few I miss (Human!RD teasing Human!FS particularly!)

Riversyde said:
Humans are irrelevant to e621 anyway...

wait, so you are telling my, the trolls who always complain about human-pics on e621 were right? you do have a ''dnp human porn''-policy now?

Anomynous said:
Personally I say to keep a representative sample of the better/funnier ones. Subjective as hell, I know, but there's a few I miss (Human!RD teasing Human!FS particularly!)

Hahahaha, no.

suicicoo said:
wait, so you are telling my, the trolls who always complain about human-pics on e621 were right? you do have a ''dnp human porn''-policy now?

What? Humans are still allowed, as long as they're accompanied by something relevant to the site.

Riversyde said: What? Humans are still allowed, as long as they're accompanied by something relevant to the site.

*deep breath*

honestly.. I think the humanized version of an animal is more relevant than:

post #128823
post #126549
post #127261
post #124967

and that's just the first page of not_furry.

Personally... I'm fine with humans being posted now and then... but the 'no humanized ponies' rule just seems like it's there to cut down on the number of ponies.

otherwise things like: post #124771 post #4021 (which is beautiful) post #7643 post #6222 shouldn't really belong either

but they're allowed because 'hey, look at this drawing of sonic as a human. Isn't it cool?' or "his human girl is pretty cute."

and honestly, pokemon has over 10,000 images, sonic and digimon have over 3000, starfox has 1.5K... ookami_to_koushinryou has an amazing 500ish images which all seem to be either manga pages, or single pin up images of one mostly human character. (really. "ookami_to_koushinryou sex" results in a full page and then some of comics, and ... 16 images other images. ) and again, it's not that I'm complaining about ookami_to_koushinryou or pokemon or sonic, I'm just pointing out that there are other things that we have a crazy amount of as well, and no one really complains about them. D:

I understand that there are ponies currently leaking and whinnying out of our ears, but there must be a better solution then deleting humanized ponies which I would think only accounted for for a small portion of the total pony flow.

Riversyde said:
Hahahaha, no.

What? Humans are still allowed, as long as they're accompanied by something relevant to the site.

-->Personal Opinion, not really representative of e621 staff<--
I really dislike the human loli and shota, all the non-anthro stuff on the site like that. I would push for it to be gone, but as it stands, in this instance I am just another user :3
<--end opinion you obvious assholes-->

I'd like to see anthropomorphic pictures allowed on here, this artist http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=17685049 made a bunch of anthropomorphic shampoo bottles, which is pretty funny, i'd like to upload them.

msc said:
I'd like to see anthropomorphic pictures allowed on here, this artist http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=17685049 made a bunch of anthropomorphic shampoo bottles, which is pretty funny, i'd like to upload them.

No, they're just humans. They're not even based on something relevant.

Riversyde said:
No, they're just humans. They're not even based on something relevant.

Alright

o.o I'm shocked at the number of mods in this thread who are against Riversyde's proposal. but I suppose it's not surprising as Aurali loves her ponies at least. However, I must agree with SnowWolf and say that in order to remove human based MLP, we'd also have to mass delete humanized sonic, pokemon, starfox, etc. not to mention the enormous amounts of loli, shota, video game pics such as mario bros and the legend of zelda, the general mass of hentei, etc. in other words, we have a lot of images here which aren't relevant to the site. we also have a large amount of flash files and games. :/ I think if we delete all of these things, we'd lose users, and be out a good 1000 or more posts.

cookiekangaroo said:
o.o I'm shocked at the number of mods in this thread who are against Riversyde's proposal. but I suppose it's not surprising as Aurali loves her ponies at least. However, I must agree with SnowWolf and say that in order to remove human based MLP, we'd also have to mass delete humanized sonic, pokemon, starfox, etc. not to mention the enormous amounts of loli, shota, video game pics such as mario bros and the legend of zelda, the general mass of hentei, etc. in other words, we have a lot of images here which aren't relevant to the site. we also have a large amount of flash files and games. :/ I think if we delete all of these things, we'd lose users, and be out a good 1000 or more posts.

We don't "have" to delete anything. Posts that are irrelevant to the site are not always going to be deleted, and why I decided to disallow pictures of only humanized MLP characters was because we were getting too many of them.

For sure, this isn't ponibooru. But what is offtopic? MLP is pretty damn tangentially relevant to furry interests though, we allow 50:50 anthro mixes surely. So probably we should allow regular 20:80¹ on-model ponies and 0:100 human renditions of the mane cast and background ponies too. OTOH, I think human versions of random OC ponies *would* be taking the piss unless for contrast with anthro versions of the same chara already uploaded. And the same probably goes for sonic, starfox, pokemon and other similar fandoms.

Just because you personally think there's too much of a given category of uploads isn't really a good reason to go on a mass cull or (arguably, and acknowledging that this isn't a bloody democracy and that the higher-ups make the rules) a rule change. Personally, I can't stand cub/shota/loli uploads and I think there's way too many of them, yet I don't go on a purge, obviously. I don't approve it either, mind you: rule #1, personal liking, applies!

Staff with approval powers do not have to approve everything. Mostly it'll work fine if common sense is applied in liberal doses.. LOL IKNO CASSANDRA AMIRITE?

¹ rough estimate. Yes quadrupeds, but facial features, setting and behaviour.

SnowWolf said:
lots of stuff

thats exactly, what i wanted to say...

Anomynous said:
Just because you personally think there's too much of a given category of uploads isn't really a good reason to go on a mass cull or (arguably, and acknowledging that this isn't a bloody democracy and that the higher-ups make the rules) a rule change.

Sure, I may have been the only one who wanted the humanized forms removed, but I did ask for another mod's opinion on the subject before passing this rule, and they didn't object to it.
Yes, e621 is run hierarchically, but we're open to suggestions about how you think shit should get done around here.

I know I have no say in what a moderator decides to do, I'd say there is a rather poor case for purging humanized mlp stuff from the site. That's just my opinion, though. Ah well, I'm glad I decided to save some of those human mlp pics to my hard drive if they're going away, then.

Yeah, MLP stuff is flooding the site, and I'm sure Riversyde is sick of seeing it. Still, MLP has much greater "relevance to the site," than most of the stuff tagged "not furry." I think this is a decision that has to be made by all the admins, not because one admin dislikes the art and found a single fellow admin who "has no objections" to banning it. I mean no disrespect to the fine staff of the site; that is simply my observations based on what I can see here.

lol

ippiki_ookami said:
lol

So out of curiosity. "Humanized" I Know "Anthro" is ok. But what about "Catgirls" or "Nekomimi" or whatever the hell their called. I uploaded a few of those and they got deleted for being "Human" If thats the case, shouldn't "ALL" animal girls {Just basically humans with catears or animal ears of any kind} be deleted as well, because their human and irrelevant? or does the "Do not delete" segment of anthorized/human extend to cat-girls as well?

...So finally, step one to removing anything non-furry is being implimented. people will muter and grumble, but won't raelly do anything- After all, it's the mods decision, and it's only because there's so much of it, right? Then anything that's only 10/90 or 20/80 gets banned, for not being furry enough (since they're already being declined to be approved, according to above poster). Next goes the human loli and shota (And I rejoice, while others no doubt would complain; This would be the only upside, imo, though i'd personally throw cub out there too), so that there is no risk of the site being hit by feds re: 18 USC 1466A or the appropriate relevant child porn law. Then anything not furry at all gets removed.

Apocolyptic much? Yup. But sadly how I see things eventually going. I'm not a big fan of all the humanized MLP stuff (though there are some nice pictures, I will admit). But when did the site policy change to something this draconian (...Hilarious, this coming from a dragon...)?

Anthro ponies are fine. Human ponies are fine.

But don't expect me to approve either unless it's a) very popular or b) I like it. And I'm a fucking art snob.

My argument: None.

All I ask is just please tell me if there's going to be a mass-purging of humans or kemonomimi(animal-eared human) characters so I can make a quick run to save the ones I like to my hard drive.

123easy said:
Apocolyptic much? Yup. But sadly how I see things eventually going. I'm not a big fan of all the humanized MLP stuff (though there are some nice pictures, I will admit). But when did the site policy change to something this draconian (...Hilarious, this coming from a dragon...)?

for the last 7 months we've deleted floods of ALL purely human porn.

Whats wrong with anthro ponies that makes it worse than say, anime children getting fucked by a horses?

Aurali said:
for the last 7 months we've deleted floods of ALL purely human porn.

Not quite the question I was asking, I was asking for more "Specifics" Then "NO humanized" given humanized could mean anything ranging from generic human, all the way up to anthros as going from Feral to "Anthromorphic" would mean adding more humanish traits. Thus by its very nature "Humanizing" them.

You guys are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Aurali said:
for the last 7 months we've deleted floods of ALL purely human porn.

...i am disappoint.

ippiki_ookami said:
You guys are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Such is porn, such is furrydom, and such is porn in the midst of furrydom.

123easy said:
...i am disappoint.

Aaaand such is furrydom again.

Anomynous said:
Anthro ponies are fine.

Yes, they are.

Human ponies are fine.

What? No! You don't make the rules here, boy-o.

Personally I liked bits of content wholly unrelated to the furry fandom; they made the site interesting. They gave the database here a bit more variety than your average furry porn dump site. I'm not just talking about humanized MLP characters, either. I can understand you don't want to accumulate so much non-furry material as to deviate from e621's original intent, but I thought you guys were doing a fine job of keeping it well enough in hand.

I can live without the non-furry stuff being here, but I'm still sad to see it go.

123easy said:
...i am disappoint.

a few every once in a while is alright, but this is primarily furry based. and too much is too much. Go to danbooru if you wanna see non furry stuff

I have to agree with Cookie. If humanized!MLP isn't allowed, neither should Humanized!Pokemon/Digimon/etc. It just doesn't seem too fair to me. /:

Aurali said:
a few every once in a while is alright, but this is primarily furry based. and too much is too much. Go to danbooru if you wanna see non furry stuff

I am disappointed because there never used to be censorship beyond DNP of what went up here. yes, most of it was furry, but every so often we'd get good human stuff. I'm not going "Gimmeh human stuff NAO or i'll DDOS you guyz!" or any such stupid thing. I'm just quite disappointed to find out that rather than do a single thing about the loli and shota, which should be dealt with... you're instead censoring... humans. In this specific case, humanized versions of animals, but humans and not anthros, nonetheless.

Pre-post edit: Well, thanks to a random other thread that google dredged up I finally found the thread that I remembered way back when. http://e621.net/forum/show/244 And it's been posted in numerous times by you, Aurali, as recent as 3 months ago, without any indication of anything changing in the way things are handled; It specifically notes that the "this is not furry" mentality is wrong, and that hasn't been touched. If you're going to make such a big change, -let us know-. Yeah, we'll bitch and complain, but it's better than being sneaky about it; That's by and large mostly why I am disappoint, with a good helping of the above as well. Not because I wanna fap to humans (I know plenty of other sites for that) but because nothing was said about it to us (especially after Varka's been so forthcoming with information) and it seems to be a draconian measure against a lot of (relatively high-quality) art that just happens to be human and MLP.

And before someone pipes up about it, I know that Mellis stated, "If we don't want something here, the speed at which we currently receive new posts is slow enough that we will remove it." But that's in tandem with the " 'This is not Furry it doesn't Belong Here' and other dilemmas; Yes, yes it does." part.

tl;dr: Please give us a mission statement and plan so that we're not left going WTF when you pull something like this.

But if they give us a clear idea of their intentions it's going to be oh so much more difficult to spontaneously alter them on us.

Sarcasm aside, there's a valid point in there. e621 doesn't really have mission. It's not dedicated to some high-and-mighty cause that requires absolute judgment. It's a handful of guys/girls running a site.

The intention of e621 is fluid. It's based on what the people running it deem necessary. They're free to make changes without being tied down to some asinine dogma and if they make mistakes they can rectify them without things turning political.

Eh, that explanation was higher brow than I'd hoped for but you get what I mean.

123easy said:
I am disappointed because there never used to be censorship beyond DNP of what went up here. yes, most of it was furry, but every so often we'd get good human stuff.

We have always deleted off-topic things that we didn't like. That's how the site has run since its conception.

tony311 said:
We have always deleted off-topic things that we didn't like. That's how the site has run since its conception.

But it was never absolute.

post #97251

This is the first time the management of this site have explicitly forbidden any amount of a particular type of content based on its subject matter.

Honestly, if it was just a quiet cleanup of the images and a denial of them as they were posted for approval, there probably wouldn't have been any issue at all with it, mostly because no one would know. Not saying that's a good thing mind you, but still.

123easy said:
I am disappointed because there never used to be censorship beyond DNP of what went up here. yes, most of it was furry, but every so often we'd get good human stuff. I'm not going "Gimmeh human stuff NAO or i'll DDOS you guyz!" or any such stupid thing. I'm just quite disappointed to find out that rather than do a single thing about the loli and shota, which should be dealt with... you're instead censoring... humans. In this specific case, humanized versions of animals, but humans and not anthros, nonetheless.

Pre-post edit: Well, thanks to a random other thread that google dredged up I finally found the thread that I remembered way back when. http://e621.net/forum/show/244 And it's been posted in numerous times by you, Aurali, as recent as 3 months ago, without any indication of anything changing in the way things are handled; It specifically notes that the "this is not furry" mentality is wrong, and that hasn't been touched. If you're going to make such a big change, -let us know-. Yeah, we'll bitch and complain, but it's better than being sneaky about it; That's by and large mostly why I am disappoint, with a good helping of the above as well. Not because I wanna fap to humans (I know plenty of other sites for that) but because nothing was said about it to us (especially after Varka's been so forthcoming with information) and it seems to be a draconian measure against a lot of (relatively high-quality) art that just happens to be human and MLP.

And before someone pipes up about it, I know that Mellis stated, "If we don't want something here, the speed at which we currently receive new posts is slow enough that we will remove it." But that's in tandem with the " 'This is not Furry it doesn't Belong Here' and other dilemmas; Yes, yes it does." part.

tl;dr: Please give us a mission statement and plan so that we're not left going WTF when you pull something like this.

I've never changed my opinion on the matter, the this is not furry mentality is wrong, however the this is for everything is even more wrong, we JUST deleted 300 VGcats images because the comic really doesn't belong here in mast quantity.
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and no 123easy, e621 practices open administration, you know everything we know. The human my little pony rule will go away when this whole mlp thing dies down a bit.

Then please for the love of crap just give us a mission statement that we can follow. I'm not saying e621 is for everything (rule34, 4chan, danbooru, etc do that fine) nor have I ever implicated it. As KloHound mentioned before, "This is the first time the management of this site have explicitly forbidden any amount of a particular type of content based on its subject matter."

This entire thread has continued because it was a draconian "This stuff is gone for good" that came outof left field and seemed completely arbitrary when there were much more appropriate targets to choose, simply because someone in the staff doesn't like MLP (That's what it comes across as). The mentioning that the rule will go away when the MLP craze dies down a bit part? if that had been in the OP, I can assure yyou there would have been not half the big kerfuffle this has blossomed into.

123easy said:
This entire thread has continued because it was a draconian "This stuff is gone for good" that came outof left field and seemed completely arbitrary when there were much more appropriate targets to choose, simply because someone in the staff doesn't like MLP (That's what it comes across as). The mentioning that the rule will go away when the MLP craze dies down a bit part? if that had been in the OP, I can assure yyou there would have been not half the big kerfuffle this has blossomed into.

This isn't because I don't like MLP... humans are irrelevant to the site. A post being irrelevant to the site is a perfectly legit reason to delete it. Doesn't mean that we will, though.

Aurali said:
The human my little pony rule will go away when this whole mlp thing dies down a bit.

Well okay then :V

123easy said:
Then please for the love of crap just give us a mission statement that we can follow. I'm not saying e621 is for everything (rule34, 4chan, danbooru, etc do that fine) nor have I ever implicated it. As KloHound mentioned before, "This is the first time the management of this site have explicitly forbidden any amount of a particular type of content based on its subject matter."

This entire thread has continued because it was a draconian "This stuff is gone for good" that came outof left field and seemed completely arbitrary when there were much more appropriate targets to choose, simply because someone in the staff doesn't like MLP (That's what it comes across as). The mentioning that the rule will go away when the MLP craze dies down a bit part? if that had been in the OP, I can assure yyou there would have been not half the big kerfuffle this has blossomed into.

Mission statement: Be a general art archive with a focus on furry.

Also to cure AIDS through the power of porn. That's our mission.

Aurali said:
Also to cure AIDS through the power of porn. That's our mission.

Genuinely laughed my ass off at that.

But pics with tags of anthro/human, interspecies, romance, sex, are still acceptable right?, I mean I just now learned about personified MLP or anything related to different genre aren't allowed after seeing my post get deleted (im not bothered by it), I wish I'd known earlier about this. I'd hate to end up knocking on trouble's door.

misspriss said:
But pics with tags of anthro/human, interspecies, romance, sex, are still acceptable right?, I mean I just now learned about personified MLP or anything related to different genre aren't allowed after seeing my post get deleted (im not bothered by it), I wish I'd known earlier about this. I'd hate to end up knocking on trouble's door.

Yes, as long a picture has some animal creature in it the picture is fine to be uploaded.

Riversyde said:
Yes, as long a picture has some animal creature in it the picture is fine to be uploaded.

such as this one

post #134630

RenaDyne said:
such as this one

post #134630

Yeah that's fine. Just to be clear, this isn't a total ban on ALL humanized MLP characters. They just have to have a animal creature in the picture with them to be accepted.

I don't get this. this isn't exclusivly a furry site and i've seen many mods go about images that contain absolutely no animal parts at all expressing exactly that.

and why just MLP? why not humanized sonic characters or humanized pokemon? while were at it why not just get rid of anything remotely human and we'll just have animals fucking animals.

In my oppinion, we should just stop all this MLP bullshit alltogether. This is what we realy want to portray the community as?

"Haider, welcome to e621! You can now start wondering why we are filled with ponies!"

Bck said:
In my oppinion, we should just stop all this MLP bullshit alltogether. This is what we realy want to portray the community as?

e621 is for furry stuff of all kinds. The people who believe ponies are "taking over the site" fail to realize there are like over 90000 submissions here that are completely unrelated to ponies. Ponies are a minority, and that is NOT changing.
Maybe if more people saw there are other posts than what's on the first page of the post/comment list, the general amount of butthurt wouldn't be as bad as it is here.
And no, all ponies are staying. This will give you a chance to use the search/blacklist functions to find what you like, instead of it being fed to you like an infant.

In my oppinion, we should just stop all this XXX bullshit alltogether. This is what we realy want to portray the community as?

"Haider, welcome to e621! You can now start wondering why we are filled with YYY!"

Fill in the blanks:

...Lion King... lions...
...sonic.... hedgehogs...
...pokemon... pokemon...
...digimon... digimon...
...starfox... krystal...
...nezumi... horrendously detailed orifices...
...gay... buttsex...
...straight... pussy...

shall I continue?

besides. I don't think you can paint *everything8 with the same brush no matter how hard you try. I weep when I think of iram's mlp stuff being deleted because it contains ponies. :P

This bitching is so fucking stupid. Don't like it? Blacklist it and never come back to it. Nothing of value will be lost.

Blacklist... wonderful blacklist.

I put something on blacklist recently, and now I'm only seeing 2-5 pictures per page. :D

(took off blacklist, and yes its working perfectly, heh)

Yup, that's true. But, as per the blacklist's function: You're not seeing any of it anymore. :)

Have I not seen a reference to rule 34 in this thread? Also, the site is free so one can't protest too much about how the site chooses to operate.

seQel said:
Whats wrong with anthro ponies that makes it worse than say, anime children getting fucked by a horses?

Anthro ponies are not going away. What they mean, is if the pony has tuned completly human.

SalemCoonFace said:
I have to agree with Cookie. If humanized!MLP isn't allowed, neither should Humanized!Pokemon/Digimon/etc. It just doesn't seem too fair to me. /:

Uh, it isnt. NON FURRY PORN IS NOT ALLOWED!!!!! Even if its of a character thats normally furry.

Fringe said:
Uh, it isnt. NON FURRY PORN IS NOT ALLOWED!!!!! Even if its of a character thats normally furry.

Correction. Non furry porn is allowed, so long as it has an animal/other creature with it. REAL porn is not allowed.

Sorry for bump,but can you make this sticky?
:|

Princess_Celestia said:
Correction. Non furry porn is allowed, so long as it has an animal/other creature with it. REAL porn is not allowed.

I'm gonna piggieback off of your comment for a sec...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there pictures that are non-porn and non-furry on here (a picture of flowers or something like that comes to mind).
While I'm not trying to make an ass of anyone, what about those images? If non-furry pictures aren't allowed, then why are they still here?

AshuraK said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there pictures that are non-porn and non-furry on here (a picture of flowers or something like that comes to mind).
While I'm not trying to make an ass of anyone, what about those images? If non-furry pictures aren't allowed, then why are they still here?

They're here cause one moderator liked them, and thought they should stay. We've had this discussion many many times before.

Riversyde said:
They're here cause one moderator liked them, and thought they should stay. We've had this discussion many many times before.

If I recall right, the rule was put in place due to at the time a Massive flux of pony pony art, and was to stim the tides. And with December coming up, and season 2, I think the rule should remain in place. {Anthro is fine, and human is fine so long as it has something feral/anthro in it}

Princess_Celestia said:
If I recall right, the rule was put in place due to at the time a Massive flux of pony pony art, and was to stim the tides. And with December coming up, and season 2, I think the rule should remain in place. {Anthro is fine, and human is fine so long as it has something feral/anthro in it}

Yeah. Also feral ponies are fine too.

Riversyde said:
They're here cause one moderator liked them, and thought they should stay. We've had this discussion many many times before.

If one mod likes or dislikes a picture, it stays or goes respectively? Do other mod's opinions matter? (e.g. one mod dislikes a picture and another mod or two like the same picture)

AshuraK said:
If one mod likes or dislikes a picture, it stays or goes respectively? Do other mod's opinions matter? (e.g. one mod dislikes a picture and another mod or two like the same picture)

Dunno. Depends who sees it first. But mods can override other mod's decisions if they feel it is necessary.

"Dude. This picture looks like ti was drawn by a 3 year old. WHY is Octavia's bow coming out of there? NO!"

SnowWolf said:
"Dude. This picture looks like ti was drawn by a 3 year old. WHY is Octavia's bow coming out of there? NO!"

So we can flag poorly drawn art? :D

only in truely dire cases... but you shouldn't have to do that, generally because we already approved it once.. .. I was more talking about mods overriding one another :P

Odd to make slippery slope type rules, instead of just telling people to blacklist something they don't like like the mlp people do ad nauseam.

Curious . . .

CamKitty said:
Odd to make slippery slope type rules, instead of just telling people to blacklist something they don't like like the mlp people do ad nauseam.

Curious . . .

They've also been told that. A lot.

CamKitty said:
Odd to make slippery slope type rules, instead of just telling people to blacklist something they don't like like the mlp people do ad nauseam.

Curious . . .

This was a rule to stim the tide of MLP artwork coming in on a daily basis, and given theirs a LOT of human work as well, I'd say it worked as well as outright image-macros and youtube screen-caps