The way things are set up now, all it takes is a single downvote to completely hide a comment, which vastly reduces the chance that anybody else will even notice it's there to vote it back up.

I think there needs to be either 1) a delay of perhaps one day before a new comment's rating takes hold, unless that rating reaches a certain low threshold like -3, or 2) new comments get a higher initial score like +3, so it's less likely that a comment than most like but only one dislikes ends up hidden as if most dislike it.

I like option 1 better.

Foobaria said:
The way things are set up now, all it takes is a single downvote to completely hide a comment, which vastly reduces the chance that anybody else will even notice it's there to vote it back up.

I think there needs to be either 1) a delay of perhaps one day before a new comment's rating takes hold, unless that rating reaches a certain low threshold like -3, or 2) new comments get a higher initial score like +3, so it's less likely that a comment than most like but only one dislikes ends up hidden as if most dislike it.

I like option 1 better.

You can lower the "Level" of your downvote filter to a low threshhold, I have mine set to -20 before it hides comments.

Using This page, scroll down until you hit the box under "My Prices" {If its not there just scroll down" until you see Comment Threshold, type in -X or X {X being the number of votes up or down} you want to set your Threshold to hide comments at.

Yes, yes, I know how to change it for myself. I'm talking about the fact that comments that otherwise might get one or two downvotes but lots of upvotes may end up still hidden, just because the downvotes came first.

I just think it's a bit silly that one single downvote hides a comment for the VAST majority of users who will never touch that threshold configuration, nor want to.

Having a short period of amnesty where a post's rating has time to settle would be the best solution in my opinion, so that you get the same result no matter which order the up- and down-votes come in.

My comment threshold is -255.

It was just a bit disconcerting to not only have my own posts disappear within moments (resulting in me having to vote up my own post, and considering all but one that I voted up is still up, it demonstrates my point), but also to myself vote down a post only to have it collapse into oblivion. Obviously I thought it was a bad post or I wouldn't've voted it down, but that doesn't mean I should have the power to just effectively banish posts like that without other viewpoints chiming in.

I'll bet you $5 that less than 20% of the userbase has something other than the default setting for their comment-rating threshold, right now.

Foobaria said:
I'll bet you $5 that less than 20% of the userbase has something other than the default setting for their comment-rating threshold, right now.

You're probably right. The default threshold should probably just be lowered to -2 or -3 or something.

pony0010 said:
The default threshold should probably just be lowered to -2 or -3 or something.

Yep, that would also have the desired effect, though I presume it wouldn't be retroactive. Then again, having it be retroactive would likely be startling and undesired, so for the best, then.

While we're on the subject, is there any chance we could have an upvote threshold as well to demarcate particularly good comments?

Defaults of +/-3 net score for upvote and downvote thresholds, respectively, sound like a good way to go.

What does that even mean? Putting comments above a certain rating in a different color or something?

Having the ability to label comments based on rating has apparently been suggested multiple times but not put in, so I wouldn't expect it to be at this point. I think they prefer to keep ratings as hidden as is practical.

Foobaria said:
What does that even mean? Putting comments above a certain rating in a different color or something?

Having the ability to label comments based on rating has apparently been suggested multiple times but not put in, so I wouldn't expect it to be at this point. I think they prefer to keep ratings as hidden as is practical.

In the future I plan on making comment ratings work more like the new post ratings (ability to change vote, show score, and number of individual up/downvotes), and the possibility of ordering comments by score low to high, score high to low, and the default oldest to newest (maybe add in newest to oldest while I'm rewriting everything). I haven't added it yet because it's a lot of work and I'm not doing much work on e621 at the moment.

As far as changing the default threshold goes, we might change the default for new users to something like -5, but I don't want to change existing values for existing users.

Heh, you make it sound like you're turning it into Reddit. Interesting, though.

Foobaria said:
Heh, you make it sound like you're turning it into Reddit. Interesting, though.

Well, that's creative, isn't it?

Keats said:
Well, that's creative, isn't it?

Hey, reddit is successful for a reason. As long as we don't get any equivalent of "karma" to make the site into one giant pissing contest, I think it'll be an all-around improvement.

Foobaria said:
Hey, reddit is successful for a reason. As long as we don't get any equivalent of "karma" to make the site into one giant pissing contest, I think it'll be an all-around improvement.

At least maybe e621 will look like half of it. :x

Sounding like a broken record here, but I think this would all go so much better if you could see a comment's score.

SirAntagonist said:
Sounding like a broken record here, but I think this would all go so much better if you could see a comment's score.

That is planned as far as I know, aurali and tony seem to plan to overhaul everything regarding commenting/forum/blips with ouroboros 2.0.

NotMeNotYouMobile said:
That is planned as far as I know, aurali and tony seem to plan to overhaul everything regarding commenting/forum/blips with ouroboros 2.0.

Oh. Neat.