How should I tag anthropomorfic characters like Renamon or Lucario?

If I consider they're just an anthro fox and and anthro jackal, I would stick them an "anthro" tag. However, if I consider them to be an species on their own (right now, "guilmon", "lucario", "renamon"... tags are marked as "Species"), I would then tag them as "feral", since they haven't been anthropomorfized.

We've been over this recently, and turns out it's one huge grey area that's hard to find an all-encompassing solution or answer for.

I'd personally say feral for the exact reason you mentioned, especially in Lucario's case. If they haven't been further anthropomorfized (by the way, what a crappy word to type out :') ) than standard, then that's probably not what people will be looking for when searching for "species name + anthro".

Though yes, that does mean you're choosing user convenience over undillated Tag What You See, so that can be conflicting.

Personally, I'd only tag them as feral if they haven't been anthropomorphized at all. Most of the ones we have on this site, especially e-rated, seem anthro to me: added navels, breasts, human digits, etc..

Anthropomorphic means having human-like attributes. Feral means "wild beast". Technically, even the characters from Lion King are still anthropomorphic.

Though, in this case, I'd use feral if the had an animal body. Y'know, walking on all fours, animal genitalia, that enchilada.

Ko-san said:
Anthropomorphic means having human-like attributes. Feral means "wild beast". Technically, even the characters from Lion King are still anthropomorphic.

Though, in this case, I'd use feral if the had an animal body. Y'know, walking on all fours, animal genitalia, that enchilada.

mmmm... enchiladas... *Homer groan*

If they have a human-like posture (standing on hind legs) or otherwise, "opposable thumbs" I'd tag it anthro, if they're normally feral and in a specific case, they're anthro, I tag them as anthropomorphized...

Sorry, I had a bettter argument but that enchilada part distracted me... n_n;

Argonian is a species tag too, but nobody wants to tag argonians feral. I would say that Lucario and Renamon are anthros. Some pokemon and many digimon are anthros.

I don't think that something being it's own species automatically excludes it from being anthropomorphic. In a sense, the renamon species is an entire species of anthro foxes (or whatever). That doesn't make them feral, especially considering they can talk and wear clothes and such. Counts for all "humanoid" pokemon, as well as things like sergals.

My personal definition, which is kinda backed up by the feral wiki, is: "a feral character is one that has an animal(?) body that has not been anthropomorphised, or only been slightly anthropomorphised. This slight anthropomorphization is usually expressed in the face, but sometimes in other subtle ways as well. A character with a bipedal form is generally not a feral, and definitely not when the animal said character is based on does not normally stand in that fashion."

Also, reading the feral wiki made me laugh. That last paragraph is dripping with bitter resignation

31h253 said:
Argonian is a species tag too, but nobody wants to tag argonians . I would say that Lucario and Renamon are anthros. Some pokemon and many digimon are anthros.

Yeah. They're species, but I don't see how that matters.
Normal Renamon look like anthro foxes, so why not tag them as such?

I'm not so sure about Lucario, though. Bipedalism is not limited to anthros (think kangaroos, etc), and I've seen some Lucarios that seem more feral than anthro. Though I'd still tag vast majority of them as anthros.

Let's do this.

If you see a pokemon that looks like this

post #510995

Then it's obviously feral.

If it looks like this

post #450194

Then it's obviously anthro.

Lastly, if it looks like this

post #261004

compared to this

post #513965

Then you follow TWYS and go by how many human characteristics the character has. For Zoroark, you may tag anthro given it's human-shape body while for Eevee you'd tag feral for it's animal body.

Genjar said:
Yeah. They're species, but I don't see how that matters.
Normal Renamon look like anthro foxes, so why not tag them as such?

The thing is: you're saying that Renamons should be tagged "anthro" because they're anthro foxes.

However, they're being tagged as a species on their own (ie not as "fox"), and anthro is IMHO used for anthropomorfized characters. Since they're being drawn "as is" (without being anthropomorfized, mostly because they're already anthro-looking), "feral" is more correct.

Lizardite said:
The thing is: you're saying that Renamons should be tagged "anthro" because they're anthro foxes.

However, they're being tagged as a species on their own (ie not as "fox"), and anthro is IMHO used for anthropomorfized characters. Since they're being drawn "as is" (without being anthropomorfized, mostly because they're already anthro-looking), "feral" is more correct.

Anthropomorphized means "has human-like characteristics". If its default form has human-like characteristics, it's anthro. Period.

123easy said:
Anthropomorphized means "has human-like characteristics". If its default form has human-like characteristics, it's anthro. Period.

^ This.

The Renamon species could be defined as "a fox mixed with a human." Therefore it's already been anthropomorphized by whoever created the species.

123easy said:
Anthropomorphized means "has human-like characteristics". If its default form has human-like characteristics, it's anthro. Period.

Anthropomorphic != anthropomorphized. The former means that in its original form, it resembles an human. The later (which is what "anthro" is used for) is used to indicate that it has been modified to make it look like an human.

Are you not asking whether anthropomorphic or feral should be used as tags for characters like Renamon?

If you are then you tag them anthropomorphic, because they have human traits.

https://e621.net/wiki/show?title=anthro

General: anthro

The term "anthro" is short for "anthropomorphic", which means attaching Human traits like intelligence and personality to non-Human things like animals and inanimate objects.

As this accurately describes most furry characters, "anthro" is commonly used to describe a bipedal furry character, ones whose nonhuman-to-human appearance ratio rates about 45% to 75%.

Lizardite said:
Anthropomorphic != anthropomorphized. The former means that in its original form, it resembles an human. The later (which is what "anthro" is used for) is used to indicate that it has been modified to make it look like an human.

We've always used anthro to refer to characters with human traits, the true definition of the word, regardless of what the character normally is. Perhaps you're thinking of anthrofied, which is used when a normally non-anthro character has been drawn as an anthro.

So "anthro" is then employed only for characters which are in its original form anthropomorphic, and "anthrofied" for anthropomorphized characters? Will then these characters qualify as "anthrofied"?

Lizardite said:
So "anthro" is then employed only for characters which are in its original form anthropomorphic, and "anthrofied" for anthropomorphized characters? Will then these characters qualify as "anthrofied"?

They only qualify as anthrofied if they were feral to begin with.

This is eevee, it's feral
post #513965

if eevee is anthrofied then it becomes this
post #204514

This is Zoroark, it's already anthropomorphic
post #471841

if you add more human traits you get this
post #422116

Yes, there are more human traits, but it's still anthro

Going further you get this
post #375408

However, at that point it is more human than animal, so it is no longer considered anthro. You would then use the tag personification.

Going in the opposite direction would yield something like this.
http://th02.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2012/294/9/3/_zoroark__by_arvalis-d5ijpxo.jpg

This is obviously feral.

If it's anthropomorphic, you tag anthro. If it was originally feral, and it's now anthro you tag anthrofied. If it was either feral or anthro and it's now human, you tag personification. If it was human and now it's anthro, you tag furrification. If it has little to no human traits you tag feral.

Would Greninja be anthro or feral?

Mienshao said:
Would Greninja be anthro or feral?

Mostly anthro, I think. With a few exceptions, they look like anthro amphibians.

Genjar said:
Mostly anthro, I think. With a few exceptions, they look like anthro amphibians.

Ok, thank you.