Topic: Alias correction: Wizard -> Witch

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According to the wiki article for Witch, it is to be used for both male and female characters, who wear pointy hats and flowing robes. This is pretty much the definition of Wizard only when genders aren't ignored, Witches are female and Wizards are male.

Currently, Wizard is aliased to Magic_user but I think that should be removed and alias it to witch instead.

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o.O warlock would be a male witch whereas females are typically just referred to as witches if i remember my terminology on that correctly.

wizards and witches are 2 different things.

ah, nevermind. i see now that warlock is already aliased to magic_user. still, that bit about warlocks being male witches i pointed out could probably be clarified on the witch page there.

o.O how is post #838222 showing up in the pics on the wizard tag page despite there being no mention of the word at all in the tags, comments, or description? it has magic_user tagged on it but i didn't think that'd also cause it to appear under other tags in the wiki like that.

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Genjar

Former Staff

Witches can be of any gender. Warlock ("deceiver") is a derogatory term coined by the church during the witch hunts, and it's not used by anyone who practices witchcraft.

Though female witches are obviously more common in fiction, since males are usually called wizards.

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Genjar said:
Witches can be of any gender. Warlock ("deceiver") is a derogatory term coined by the church during the witch hunts, and it's not used by anyone who practices witchcraft.

Though female witches are obviously more common in fiction, since males are usually called wizards.

huh, never knew about that.

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treos said:
o.O warlock would be a male witch whereas females are typically just referred to as witches if i remember my terminology on that correctly.

wizards and witches are 2 different things.

ah, nevermind. i see now that warlock is already aliased to magic_user. still, that bit about warlocks being male witches i pointed out could probably be clarified on the witch page there.

o.O how is post #838222 showing up in the pics on the wizard tag page despite there being no mention of the word at all in the tags, comments, or description? it has magic_user tagged on it but i didn't think that'd also cause it to appear under other tags in the wiki like that.

Have you never read Harry Potter? Hogwarts, School of Wizardry. The students are referred to as Wizards and Witches, based on gender. Originally, Wizards were supposed to be kind practitioners while Witches were dark and malicious, but it devolved into them meaning the same thing.

Warlocks are those who know how to actually fight, so they don't have to worry about enemies who are immune to magic. Wiccan on the other hand is a religious practice!

Here, have a list of magic user terms

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Furrin_Gok said:
Have you never read Harry Potter? Hogwarts, School of Wizardry. The students are referred to as Wizards and Witches, based on gender. Originally, Wizards were supposed to be kind practitioners while Witches were dark and malicious, but it devolved into them meaning the same thing.

Warlocks are those who know how to actually fight, so they don't have to worry about enemies who are immune to magic. Wiccan on the other hand is a religious practice!

Here, have a list of magic user terms

i rather doubt we're going by something like harry potter to define what a wizard or witch is.

as for the wiccan/vikan (the spelling, like with many things, likely differs from region to region and who your asking.). ok, i'll give you that religious one as it says that too on the page you linked and i'm not too familiar with druidic beliefs. though i assume they were likely considered pagan by the church and/or heretics.

wizards...again, doubtful we're going by harry potter here. that page you linked says "Derived from Ancient English Wis-Ard, which means Wise Man. Wizards were believed to have the power to command nature and to heal sickness and wounds. Nowadays refers to a general wielder of magic." and also that warlock is "Derived from Middle English Wær-Loga, which means Covenant Breaker. A male witch. Like witches, warlocks are also considered to be evil by common belief. Nowadays, the term relates to and evil magic user in general." so yes, a warlock is indeed a male witch and is the correct term to use for male witches.
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this all raises a question for me: is there some official website or something on this subject with more detailed coverage of such terms somewhere?

i know a bit about several of the titles listed on that page but those descriptions don't particularly strike me as overly accurate or reliable in general. especially when theres references to books or games listed at the end of some descriptions.
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oh and i just noticed one that's always bothered me listed there: Elementalist.

"A magic user who specializes in (or practices only) magic connected to the four elements: Earth, Water, Air and Fire. In fantasy literature the Elementalist’s magic usually consists of summoning elementals (and thus making him a kind of conjurer), but not necessarily."

why hello there "benders" from Avatar: The Last Airbender. the correct title is elementalist not "bender". that's something that's annoyed me since i first saw that show since i always knew it was an incorrect description of what such people are.

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The purpose of bringing up Harry Potter is that it's a more modern representation of what people define them as. My use of the Warlock term, I don't remember where I got that from, but it doesn't actually seem as common as I thought.

treos said:
oh and i just noticed one that's always bothered me listed there: Elementalist.

"A magic user who specializes in (or practices only) magic connected to the four elements: Earth, Water, Air and Fire. In fantasy literature the Elementalist’s magic usually consists of summoning elementals (and thus making him a kind of conjurer), but not necessarily."

why hello there "benders" from Avatar: The Last Airbender. the correct title is elementalist not "bender". that's something that's annoyed me since i first saw that show since i always knew it was an incorrect description of what such people are.

They're bending their Chi, though, is why it's called bending. Due to the blessings of the ancient Turtlelions (There was only one shown in Aang's saga, but a whole bunch in Korra's) certain people had their Chi bound to an element, so by bending their chi pathways, they would create element-based changes to the world around them. It's the thing about about what Aang and Amon were able to do to others: By bending their raw chi without using the elemental properties, they would be able to seal the Chi passageways of others, preventing their own use of Chi.

Other media, be it shows or games, tends to have ways of blocking Chi use where Chi users are involved.

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Furrin_Gok said:
The purpose of bringing up Harry Potter is that it's a more modern representation of what people define them as. My use of the Warlock term, I don't remember where I got that from, but it doesn't actually seem as common as I thought.
They're bending their Chi, though, is why it's called bending. Due to the blessings of the ancient Turtlelions (There was only one shown in Aang's saga, but a whole bunch in Korra's) certain people had their Chi bound to an element, so by bending their chi pathways, they would create element-based changes to the world around them. It's the thing about about what Aang and Amon were able to do to others: By bending their raw chi without using the elemental properties, they would be able to seal the Chi passageways of others, preventing their own use of Chi.

Other media, be it shows or games, tends to have ways of blocking Chi use where Chi users are involved.

i'm done here. the moment this began being a discussion of how things work in fiction (specifically stories, movies, animation/cartoons) was the moment the discussion became pointless.

"They're bending their Chi"

so it's more martial arts than magic...ugh, nope, i'm outta here. don't feel like arguing about it.

next time you try linking a page like that for me or anyone else to check out, why not make sure it has more historical and irl references in general first instead of relying on works of fiction.

i'm not going to sit here and argue about fiction where anything could be possible because someone says it is since that's how fiction works. that's stupid.

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Genjar

Former Staff

If you want to read more about the topic, I'd recommend Man as Witch - Male Witches in Central Europe by R. Schulte.

In modern religious usage, warlock is an ex-witch who has left the community. 'course, that doesn't mesh with twys, nor with how most RPGs use the term. The simplest way of tagging these would be to leave it as is: wizard and warlock aliased to magic_user, and witch tagged for characters of any gender as long as they look like stereotypical witches. In other words, mostly females.

As for elementalist...? That seems like a fully fictional term. The Western concept of elementals wasn't even invented until the 16th century.

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