I usually can't sign in on when I'm on here on my phone, and I don't see why I should need both "-female" and "-dickgirl" just to not see any women when I search.

Throwaway1739 said:
I usually can't sign in on when I'm on here on my phone, and I don't see why I should need both "-female" and "-dickgirl" just to not see any women when I search.

Yeah, it's pretty messy. Furry culture is like that. :P

ShylokVakarian said:
Yeah, it's pretty messy. Furry culture is like that. :P

So why cant Dickgirl imply Female?

Because a dickgirl is not a female

TheHuskyK9 said:
Because a dickgirl is not a female

How? It's a female with a dick. It's not intersex

Throwaway1739 said:
How? It's a female with a dick. It's not intersex

Females don't have dicks

Throwaway1739 said:
How? It's a female with a dick. It's not intersex

Like I said, it's pretty messy. Dickgirl is technically both a female and not a female.

Throwaway1739 said:
So why cant Dickgirl imply Female?

You ever see the stripper scene in The Hangover 2.

It's astonishing what plastic surgery and breast implants can do to a man.

TheHuskyK9 said:
Females don't have dicks

Or do they?

GameManiac said:
You ever see the stripper scene in The Hangover 2.

It's astonishing what plastic surgery and breast implants can do to a man.

Okay, I'm not watching The Hangover or The Hangover 2.

Just curious. How do you define "intersex"?

Throwaway1739 said:
I usually can't sign in on when I'm on here on my phone, and I don't see why I should need both "-female" and "-dickgirl" just to not see any women when I search.

If they have a penis, they're male. If they have a vagina, they're a female, simple as that. Having breasts doesn't make them a female.

TheHuskyK9 said:
Females don't have dicks

-_-

This is so incredibly incorrect.

Ozelot said:
-_-

This is so incredibly incorrect.

Ozelot confirmed female with dick

purple.beastie said:
Dickgirls aren't males... they're just dickgirls.

Yes, with male reproductive organs.

purple.beastie said:
The way I see it, if someone can have a penis without being a male then it isn't always a male reproductive organ.

I'm not talking about real world applications, for the sake of reputation that's a can of worms I REALLY don't care to open. But for art, or rather tagging wise, I think it's safe to judge a character's gender based on their genitals, and not their other features or "what they see themselves as."

I mean if we're talking about futa, or characters who are already established as female, but in that one instance have a penis, that's a different story.

Ozelot said:
-_-

This is so incredibly incorrect.

Actually, according to basic biology, it is correct. We are either a male or female at birth due to our reproductive organs. I'm tired of this notion that we are supposed to believe that "Whatever you think you are, you are that thing." Doesn't matter if you cut off your dick, stitch up your vag or do whatever to your body or identify yourself. You had a dick at birth? Male. You had a vag at birth? Female. Call me whatever the fack you call people that don't agree with you (anything with -phobic basically), it still doesn't deny the fact that even though people change their bodies when older, they are still what they were at birth.

Ozelot said:
-_-

This is so incredibly incorrect.

I'm talking tags yo
post #484973

Waba_Grill said:
Actually, according to basic biology, it is correct. We are either a male or female at birth due to our reproductive organs. I'm tired of this notion that we are supposed to believe that "Whatever you think you are, you are that thing." Doesn't matter if you cut off your dick, stitch up your vag or do whatever to your body or identify yourself. You had a dick at birth? Male. You had a vag at birth? Female. Call me whatever the fack you call people that don't agree with you (anything with -phobic basically), it still doesn't deny the fact that even though people change their bodies when older, they are still what they were at birth.

What if a person is born with both sets of reproductive organs?

Sharp_Coyote said:
What if a person is born with both sets of reproductive organs?

Hermaphrodite

purple.beastie said:
Penis + ovaries = Male?

Penis + ovaries (both at birth) = Hermaphrodite. Caught me slipping

More accurately, why is it not a good enough answer that dickgirl implies intersex and intersex by definition excludes the possibility of the character being tagged female?

The female tag generally refers to characters exclusively with female genitalia, and the male tag refers to those exclusively with male genitalia.

In order to avoid serious mass confusion, dickgirls, herms, and cuntboys have all been separated from those tags. It's not intended as discriminatory, it's just for clarity and to make blacklists and searches a little less hectic and more coherent.

Waba_Grill said:
Actually, according to basic biology, it is correct. We are either a male or female at birth due to our reproductive organs. I'm tired of this notion that we are supposed to believe that "Whatever you think you are, you are that thing." Doesn't matter if you cut off your dick, stitch up your vag or do whatever to your body or identify yourself. You had a dick at birth? Male. You had a vag at birth? Female. Call me whatever the fack you call people that don't agree with you (anything with -phobic basically), it still doesn't deny the fact that even though people change their bodies when older, they are still what they were at birth.

did you know that intersex people exist. their genitals are something between penis and vagina. also people with unusual combinations Y and/or X chromosomes exist too (XXX, XXY XYY).biological sex is not a strict binary. it is possible to not be biologically male or female. also a person who identifies as woman is a woman no matter what is between their legs.

but anyways here dickgirl does not imply female because the tags are not describing their gender. they are describing their physical aspects so it would be easier for people to search and blaklist specific things. on this site female tag is reserved for characters who have breasts and vagina while dickgirl is for characters with breasts and penis

Mutisija said:
did you know that intersex people exist. their genitals are something between penis and vagina. also people with unusual combinations Y and/or X chromosomes exist too (XXX, XXY XYY).biological sex is not a strict binary. it is possible to not be biologically male or female. also a person who identifies as woman is a woman no matter what is between their legs.

Did you know that I acknowledged intersex a few posts before yours? Also, if I identified myself as a sandwich, would everyone say that I'm a sandwich when they see me? No. Let's say a person has the dick and balls but no boobs, no vag or ovaries, but identifies personally as a girl, will people automatically think that that's a girl if all they see is the physical part of that person? No. They will think that that is a male until said person tells them what they identify as. Even so, he would still be a biological male

Please, let's refrain from starting (or continuing) a forum war about physical sex and gender identity. I don't think it would contribute much more to the discussion than it already did.

As for the original problem... @Throwaway1739: Did you know that you can actually use a blacklist even if you're not logged in?

If I'm searching for solo females, I don't want to see dicks. Because I'm looking for females.

Completely unrelated to the topic, I can't wait until deep gene-therapy and gene rewriting are fully working and available to the public.
All these stupid discussions transpeople will completely vanish as soon as we're able to change them down to the genetic level.

Like, good luck arguing that someone whose genetic makeup got changed from male to female is still male.

SirBrownBear said:
If they have a penis, they're male. If they have a vagina, they're a female, simple as that. Having breasts doesn't make them a female.

Which raises the question; if breasts don't make a female, why do Charr females keep coming under fire and get constantly mistagged as "cuntboy". OP would have to search -female -dickgirl AND -cuntboy to truly stop getting "female" characters since Charr are consistently mistagged as such.

aurel said:
Kay! Even if you could.. how could we do it simple way? ... perhaps destroy Y chromosome in every cell using a virus (making person single X female) (note that even if females have two X chromosomes, one is disabled. So females with only one X chromosome don't have any negative effects)
Even so, genetics are there to "show how to build stuff" (thats a wrong way to put it, but whatever) and will have only limited effect when stuff is Already built.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/revealed-scientists-edit-dna-to-correct-adult-genes-and-cure-diseases-9273555.html

It's quite some time away to be useful, but we're slowly getting there.

aurel said:
Even if you would replace your genetics, there are still glands which pump out male specific hormones, and genetics will probably not touch already built glands. Meaning, still male.
Glands are more important than genetics. "3d printing" organs from stem cells would bring us closer to that goal, but in this case you would need to replace half the endocrine system. In this case, it would be trickier to argue.

Cancer can already grow teeth, nails, and sometimes eyes on testicular cancer, it'll only be a matter of time until we can use things like that to change and regrow glands based on a new, projected genetic makeup
Or simply grow entire organs.

aurel said:
However, even then, tracks will remain... the body structure (if you began it while being older than 25) would still need significant surgery, and in the end, there would still be things we could not alter (overall size, height, brain structure (whatever that means)) (only time could).

There is a reason why transgendered people are urged to get it dealt with as early in their lives as possible. In early life body is built. Once thats done.. well "Easier to make a new one, than to fix an old one"
Full transition (without anyone being able to tell the difference), may be impossible, regardless of technology level.

Well, bone structure is going to be the biggest issue, I have no idea what it would take to fix all that, but if we manage to figure out the above in 4 or 5 decades we may have an answer for this as well. As for the brain, as soon as the glands are out of the picture the only interesting parts left are memories, which is not something that would require editing from the outside, it'll adapt to the "new" body sooner than later on it's own.

At least, that's my take on it, it'll definitely take a shit ton of time and money, but it'll more than likely possible one day. A hundred years ago nobody believed we would be able to fly, now we have planes connecting the entirety of the world with each other on a strict timetable and we sent people into space and on the moon.

Kaeetayel said:
If I'm searching for solo females, I don't want to see dicks. Because I'm looking for females.

either blacklist penises or blacklist males and dickgirls

Throwaway1739 said:
I usually can't sign in on when I'm on here on my phone, and I don't see why I should need both "-female" and "-dickgirl" just to not see any women when I search.

Why not just blacklist them both? It takes like 15 seconds and makes more sense than ruining the current gender tagging system.

aurel said:
(note that even if females have two X chromosomes, one is disabled. So females with only one X chromosome don't have any negative effects)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_syndrome

Also, as I've been told. the ability to see red is on the X chromosome, so some women can see the color red better than men. I haven't heavily researched that, so take that with a grain of salt.

aurel said:
Even so, genetics are there to "show how to build stuff" (thats a wrong way to put it, but whatever) and will have only limited effect when stuff is already built.

Your body isn't a constant thing though, you form a new skeleton every like 8 years, your skin is regenerating all the goddamn time as well.

Would probably have to transfer/make ovaries though(as you said), since gonads have already differentiated.

Anything we can say on the topic though is really just speculation.

Waba_Grill said:
Actually, according to basic biology, it is correct. We are either a male or female at birth due to our reproductive organs. I'm tired of this notion that we are supposed to believe that "Whatever you think you are, you are that thing." Doesn't matter if you cut off your dick, stitch up your vag or do whatever to your body or identify yourself. You had a dick at birth? Male. You had a vag at birth? Female. Call me whatever the fack you call people that don't agree with you (anything with -phobic basically), it still doesn't deny the fact that even though people change their bodies when older, they are still what they were at birth.

Maybe if you had finished highschool you would have taken the introductory psych/bio course that tells you why everything you just said is wrong.

NotMeNotYou said:
Completely unrelated to the topic, I can't wait until deep gene-therapy and gene rewriting are fully working and available to the public.
All these stupid discussions transpeople will completely vanish as soon as we're able to change them down to the genetic level.

Like, good luck arguing that someone whose genetic makeup got changed from male to female is still male.

Hah, you think a person's genes matching their gender is going to end this discussion when it doesn't even end it now...

The problem is gender isn't what people think it is. It isn't sex. It's something incredibly more complicated.

The problem is it goes against what people learn about gender in their childhood. They learn about gender based on reference of their own bodies against somebody else's. They look at their own penis/vagina and look at other boys/girls and figure out what they have that they don't have. People want to cling to this childhood understanding that only boys have pee-pees, and girls have holes, because it's comforting and simplistic. But it's incredibly immature and not even remotely correct when you start looking at biology as a whole.

rdobet said:
Why not just blacklist them both? It takes like 15 seconds and makes more sense than ruining the current gender tagging system.

Let me highlight something for you from the original post you also quoted:

Throwaway1739 said:
I usually can't sign in on when I'm on here on my phone,

This part made me assume that OP is already using the blacklist, and the problem is that it's not available while logged out. That's why I pointed out that there's a blacklist that works without being logged in.

aurel said:
CITATION NEEDED VERY VERY MUCH D:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teratoma

The pictures are amazing.

Waba_Grill said:

On Topic

To answer OP, dickgirl doesn't imply female because when users search for only dickgirl posts, they do not want to see females. They want to see dickgirls.

Off Topic

Sorry, not stooping down to your level of immaturity. Nice try though.

Your concept of gender is still based off what you learned when you were six years old and you're talking about maturity. Ha.

Ozelot said:
Your concept of gender is still based off what you learned when you were six years old and you're talking about maturity. Ha.

Keep going

Waba_Grill said:
Keep going

There's nothing left to say though.

Ozelot said:
There's nothing left to say though.

Whaaaaaaaat? The almighty Ozelot has nothing to say??? I'm surprised!

Ozelot said:
Hah, you think a person's genes matching their gender is going to end this discussion when it doesn't even end it now...

The problem is gender isn't what people think it is. It isn't sex. It's something incredibly more complicated.

The problem is it goes against what people learn about gender in their childhood. They learn about gender based on reference of their own bodies against somebody else's. They look at their own penis/vagina and look at other boys/girls and figure out what they have that they don't have. People want to cling to this childhood understanding that only boys have pee-pees, and girls have holes, because it's comforting and simplistic. But it's incredibly immature and not even remotely correct when you start looking at biology as a whole.

Really? Cause when you look at biology as a whole it's actually that simple. It doesn't matter if say, you have a penis, but were born with abnormal levels of estrogen, you still have a penis, and therefore are a male. It doesn't matter that "you feel like a female."

OP is going to come back and see this giant wall of people arguing about gender issues. He was just asking a simple question, guys.

Hibachi said:
OP is going to come back and see this giant wall of people arguing about gender issues. He was just asking a simple question, guys.

A question that was answered on the last page, several times in fact.

ThatBIackGuy said:
Really? Cause when you look at biology as a whole it's actually that simple. It doesn't matter if say, you have a penis, but were born with abnormal levels of estrogen, you still have a penis, and therefore are a male. It doesn't matter that "you feel like a female."

That pretty much sums up what an 8 year old thinks about biology, yes.

Ozelot said:
That pretty much sums up what an 8 year old thinks about biology, yes.

Well, since you're apparently so knowledgeable about this subject, why don't you elaborate on your apparently correct views? Unless if course you're just reacting to a topic that may, or may not be personal to you and are just talking out of your ass.

ThatBIackGuy said:
Well, since you're apparently so knowledgeable about this subject, why don't you elaborate on your apparently correct views? Unless if course you're just reacting to a topic that may, or may not be personal to you and are just talking out of your ass.

I can't elaborate to someone who doesn't understand the difference between gender and sex, 'lest we will run afoul of what Confucius called the rectification of names. It would be like trying to teach poetry to someone who only speaks in grunts and hisses.

Ozelot said:
I can't elaborate to someone who doesn't understand the difference between gender and sex, 'lest we will run afoul of what Confucius called the rectification of names. It would be like trying to teach poetry to someone who only speaks in grunts and hisses.

I'm well aware of the difference, and my point still stands. What you "feel you are" is meaningless.

ThatBIackGuy said:
I'm well aware of the difference, and my point still stands. What you "feel you are" is meaningless.

Then it's just your opinion. But if you care so little about it, you must not care about your own gender either, so you shouldn't really be concerned with what other people are called or what they call themselves either, or even what you are called. Otherwise you're just sticking your nose into someone's business because you can.

Actually, what is the difference between Gender and Sex, then? In your own words. Need to make sure you're not just bullshitting on this.

Ozelot said:
Then it's just your opinion. But if you care so little about it, you must not care about your own gender either, so you shouldn't really be concerned with what other people are called or what they call themselves either. Otherwise you're just sticking your nose into someone's business because you can.

Actually, what is the difference between Gender and Sex, then? In your own words. Need to make sure you're not just bullshitting on this.

When said people make that issue a "big deal" and seem to push for others to accept their way of thinking, then yes, it become's everyone's business. Note that I mean in a general sense, and not specifically right here.

Sex refers to your reproductive system and functions, and gender to the characteristics of a person. And for the 4th time now, it doesn't matter what you think or feel you are. Gender wise you can think you're whatever the hell you want, but in the end if you have a penis and balls, you're a male. If you have a vagina and ovaries, you're a female. The only exceptions are hermaphrodites(intersex, whatever), or people born with another form of unnatural condition.

ThatBIackGuy said:
The only exceptions are hermaphrodites, or people born with another form of unnatural condition.

human beings cannot be hermaphrodites. the word you are looking for is intersex.

but anyways, my genitals do not belong to male or female. they belong to genderqueer person no matter what angle you look at it :)

ThatBIackGuy said:
When said people make that issue a "big deal" and seem to push for others to accept their way of thinking, then yes, it become's everyone's business. Note that I mean in a general sense, and not specifically right here.

Sex refers to your reproductive system and functions, and gender to the characteristics of a person. And for the 4th time now, it doesn't matter what you think or feel you are. Gender wise you can think you're whatever the hell you want, but in the end if you have a penis and balls, you're a male. If you have a vagina and ovaries, you're a female. The only exceptions are hermaphrodites, or people born with another form of unnatural condition.

Who is making a "big deal" out of what? Stop being so vague. Who is forcing you accept what way of thinking? You said you think gender is meaningless, which means you personally don't care about your own or somebody else's. But that doesn't mean it's going to stop existing because you don't care about it.

Your concept of sex/gender is pretty flawed and not concise. Sex is determined by your chromosomes, so you could have a male set of sex chromosomes (XY) but your gender can be different from this for all kinds of reasons. Gender is a separate perception, either about someone else or ourselves, and while you personally think it doesn't matter, it does matter to the rest of world a lot.

purple.beastie said:
Like maybe a condition of the brain where it doesn't match the rest of the body? Do we have a complete enough understanding of the brain to say with certainty that no such condition exists?

Brain's aren't inherently hardwired for specific sexes. The only way something like that can happen is with either high levels of estrogen in a male, or high levels of testosterone in a female. And even then, I refer you to my previous points.

Mutisija said:

human beings cannot be hermaphrodites. the word you are looking for is intersex.

This is true. Some humans are born with both sex parts, but there's never been a true hermaphroditic human before.

purple.beastie said:
Like maybe a condition of the brain where it doesn't match the rest of the body? Do we have a complete enough understanding of the brain to say with certainty that no such condition exists?

There actually several known conditions that we know DO exist that match this description: You mentioned one earlier I think. Androgen-Insensitivity Syndrome.

Ozelot said:
Who is making a "big deal" out of what? Stop being so vague. Who is forcing you accept what way of thinking? You said you think gender is meaningless, which means you personally don't care about your own or somebody else's. But that doesn't mean it's going to stop existing because you don't care about it.

Your concept of sex/gender is pretty flawed and not concise. Sex is determined by your chromosomes, so you could have a male set of sex chromosomes (XY) but your gender can be different from this for all kinds of reasons. Gender is a separate perception, either about someone else or ourselves, and while you personally think it doesn't matter, it does matter to the rest of world a lot.

This whole "gender" movement as a whole, what else. And I never implied anything was being "forced", I said pushing their way of thinking onto everyone else, and expecting everyone to agree with/accept their views.

And how is that exactly? Your explanation of the two was just the same as mine, albeit with different phrasing.

ThatBIackGuy said:
Brain's aren't inherently hardwired for specific sexes. The only way something like that can happen is with either high levels of estrogen in a male, or high levels of testosterone in a female. And even then, I refer you to my previous points.

You seem to have a very poor understanding of how our brain neurology develops from birth based on our sex genes and hormones, not to mention what the purposes of those different hormones actually are. Men are not all just made from testosterone, and women are not all just made from estrogen. Both sexes have different levels of BOTH of these hormones in their body at any given time and their bodies react to them differently based on their chromosomes.

ThatBIackGuy said:
This whole "gender" movement as a whole, what else. And I never implied anything was being "forced", I said pushing their way of thinking onto everyone else, and expecting everyone to agree with/accept their views.

And how is that exactly? Your explanation of the two was just the same as mine, albeit with different phrasing.

Well to be completely honest, if you're not at least accepting the primary basis of gender vs sex in the "gender movement" (whoever that is) you're kind of being a moron clinging to early childhood ideas of gender. If you don't care about your own gender, that's fine, but then why would you care about anyone else's?

Our definitions were very different, yours was essentially wrong: You said sex was determined by sex organs, not sex chromosomes. And you also said gender "could be whatever the hell you want" but actually it can't be since it isn't something that is just decided on a whim, it is formed based on perceptions.

Ozelot said:
You seem to have a very poor understanding of how our brain neurology develops from birth based on our sex genes and hormones, not to mention what the purposes of those different hormones actually are. Men are not all just made from testosterone, and women are not all just made from estrogen. Both sexes have different levels of BOTH of these hormones in their body at any given time and their bodies react to them differently based on their chromosomes.

Ya know you seem to have a lot of rebuttals for everything everyone else says, but 9/10 they never seem to go past "you're wrong." Obviously both sexes have both hormones, which why I said "high" levels of said hormones that aren't normally at those levels.

Ozelot said:
Well to be completely honest, if you're not at least accepting the primary basis of gender vs sex in the "gender movement" (whoever that is) you're kind of being a moron clinging to early childhood ideas of gender. If you don't care about your own gender, that's fine, but then why would you care about anyone else's?

Our definitions were very different, yours was essentially wrong: You said sex was determined by sex organs, not sex chromosomes. And you also said gender "could be whatever the hell you want" but actually it can't be since it isn't something that is just decided on a whim, it is formed based on perceptions.

Because on boring afternoons issues like this make for great time wasters, especially when you get that one person who blows things out of proportion. At the end of the day I could really care less about all of this, you can identify as a omnisexual houseplant for all I care.

ThatBIackGuy said:
Ya know you seem to have a lot of rebuttals for everything everyone else says, but 9/10 they never seem to go past "you're wrong." Obviously both sexes have both hormones, which why I said "high" levels of said hormones that aren't normally at those levels.

Nope, you're wrong still. The female body doesn't react to "high" levels of testosterone like a male body does because of the different sex genes, and in fact women sometimes end up having high levels of it during development but don't suddenly become boys, because their bodies don't react to it the same way. With males, estrogen is actually pretty much essential, but the testosterone levels at one point begin to rise above those and this signals their adult development.

According to Ted, their are no chicks with dicks, just guys with boobs.

JaegernMeister said:
According to Ted, their are no chicks with dicks, just guys with boobs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

Why must we fight on a porn site?

Sharp_Coyote said:
What if a person is born with both sets of reproductive organs?

There are no documented cases of humans having two sets of functioning genitalia. In cases where a human may have had a partially developed genitalia of the opposing sex, then that part did not function.