To what extent is it valid to relate them into tags I.e post #463813

The answer is going to be a little different than you'd expect. To quote wikipedia:

Ungulates are a diverse group of large mammals that includes horses, cattle, pigs, giraffes, camels, deer, hippopotamuses, whales and dolphins.

• horse -> equine -> mammal
• cattle (cow/bull) -> bovine -> mammal
• pig -> porcine -> mammal
• giraffe -> mammal
• camel -> ...nothing actually. This should probably imply mammal.
• deer -> cervine -> mammal
• hippo -> mammal
• whale -> cetacean -> mammal
• dolphin -> cetacean -> mammal

The truth is that we bypassed that classification in favor of something more intuitive. There used to be unguligrade but that was aliased to hooves...probably because it was confusing and nobody could spell it (I know I can't).

As for the antelope post, I don't see any reason why that should have the bovine tag anyways.

parasprite said:
As for the antelope post, I don't see any reason why that should have the bovine tag anyways.

Well there is a LOT post with antelpoes, Oryx, bongos and such tagged as bovine, I want to clean that up, but first to make sure it is a correct course of action.

NoctemWerewolf said:
Well there is a LOT post with antelpoes, Oryx, bongos and such tagged as bovine, I want to clean that up, but first to make sure it is a correct course of action.

Go ahead and remove the bovine tag from those.

Technically the bovine tag would fit them, but only technically. For our purposes, it works better to keep the tag bovine more cattle-like/cow-like/bull-like focused. What is taxonomically included in "bovinae" on a technical level doesn't really help with searches with this particular group of mammals.

But thank you for bringing it up first, since it's a major thing to change and a debatable issue. This keeps everything up front and prevents it becoming a tag war from confusion.

NoctemWerewolf said:
Well there is a LOT post with antelpoes, Oryx, bongos and such tagged as bovine, I want to clean that up, but first to make sure it is a correct course of action.

Sorry, I guess I was wrong. I looked at the implications and assumed they were checked already.

Antelope are not a cladistic or taxonomically defined group. The term is used to describe all members of the family Bovidae that do not fall under the category of sheep, cattle, or goats.

So it looks like it might actually need to imply bovine. It's possible that it wasn't implying it simply because they don't really look like what people normally think of as bovines (and some antelope may not actually be bovines–I don't know). However, I'm going to have to step down here and ask for an admin and/or biologist to give their opinion on this.

Edit: Never mind, furry beat me by a minute. :3

furrypickle said:
Go ahead and remove the bovine tag from those.

What is taxonomically included in "bovinae" on a technical level doesn't really help with searches with this particular group of mammals.

parasprite said:

So it looks like it might actually need to imply bovine. It's possible that it wasn't implying it simply because they don't really look like what people normally think of as bovines (and some antelope may not actually be bovines–I don't know). However, I'm going to have to step down here and ask for an admin and/or biologist to give their opinion on this.

Thanks, Indeed I knew that they where related, but I felt that this was a mid point between easy relationships such as canines, and extremely scientific stuff like hyenas being feliforms.

Guys we have a bovid tag, what should be done with it?

NoctemWerewolf said:
Guys we have a bovid tag, what should be done with it?

It should probably be aliased. I need to remember to see if I can find a way to tease out all the extra family tags we don't use. There are only a handful of them thankfully.

NoctemWerewolf said:
Guys we have a bovid tag, what should be done with it?

Well, I can see two options:

• We could alias bovid to --> hooves (just like what happened to unguligrade).

• We could keep bovid and use it as a technical compromise: keeping bovine for cattle-like/cow-like/bull-like, but allowing the rest of the un-cattle-like relatives like antelope to be grouped under bovid instead. But I don't know if that would be helpful to anyone or if it would be unneeded tag bloat.

However, I'm going to wait for people to weigh in about the bovid tag before invalidating it or implicating it to anything. I want to hear what people think about it.

furrypickle said:
Well, I can see two options:

• We could alias bovid to --> hooves (just like what happened to unguligrade).

• We could keep bovid and use it as a technical compromise: keeping bovine for cattle-like/cow-like/bull-like, but allowing the rest of the un-cattle-like relatives like antelope to be grouped under bovid instead. But I don't know if that would be helpful to anyone or if it would be unneeded tag bloat.

However, I'm going to wait for people to weigh in about the bovid tag before invalidating it or implicating it to anything. I want to hear what people think about it.

According to wikipedia Bovid it's well, bovines, antelopides, and caprines, basically everything we said

And bovine to cattle, buffalos, bisons yaks, and such (mentions some antelopes with specific characteristics)

Basically it says that all of them are bovids, but not bovine.
not sure if bovid should be implyed, but I think it would work in a similar fashion as canine does

Yeah, bovids include sheep and such. Caprine and bovine tags already exist, so I'm not sure if an another tier is needed. How about just aliasing bovid to mammal?

I don't think it could be aliased to hooves, since it's possible to tag something as bovid without hooves being visible.

Genjar said:
Yeah, bovids include sheep and such. Caprine and bovine tags already exist, so I'm not sure if an another tier is needed. How about just aliasing bovid to mammal?

I don't think it could be aliased to hooves, since it's possible to tag something as bovid without hooves being visible.

And equines have hooves but aren't bovids

Alright, it does sound like keeping bovid for the whole bovidae family is just too broad to be useful. Aliasing it away, it is then.

And aliasing bovid to --> mammal sounds like the best option for it. Approved.

ETA: I also approved an implication of camel to --> mammal as mentioned earlier in the thread.