I noticed we used to have a few trolls on the site, that would tag things with "nigger" or other racist terms, and that was handled.

But today I noticed a few tag changes, it seems a vaild tag is "niggerfaggot" ....really? ...I know this may be the name the artist goes by, but isnt this just abuse in some way?

Think of it from say a troll's view.

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"Oh look this site doesn't allow racism....oh I have an idea, let me put my username as "niggerfaggot" and then upload my art and make them tag "niggerfaggot" in the tags as an artist tag.

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I feel if artist tags that are offence or racist are allowed, e621 will soon have artists with names like "niggersmustdie" or "IHateNiggers" or "420XxLol_Kill_black_peoplexX420"

I know there is a rule on some bad tags and racism....but...I think artists renaming themselves as that, can get around that rule and if we dont have a rule on offense, racist artist's name tags....this could become a problem.

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What do you guys/gals think?

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[note: I know this topic should be under tags, but I think general is a better place to discuss such a topic]

So you suspect that he made us some nice artwork just to make the tagging system a bit less politically correct?

Shit man, I think that if he's that determined then he's earned the right.

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I mean, just look at the detail in those swastikas. Those are some of the best drawn nazi uniforms I've ever seen.

But what if the artist is calling itself like that? Would you prefer "homosexualblackguy"? or even softer: "blackguywholikesmen"?

DrHorse said:
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Though, I got to say that some comments are respectful

DrHorse said:
So you suspect that he made us some nice artwork just to make the tagging system a bit less politically correct?
Shit man, I think that if he's that determined then he's earned the right.

Well really what I said was an example from a trolls side of view, and an example how other trolls who draw can change there name just so racist tags show up on the site. I really think we might want to look into quality tags for artists names, because they may just get worse :/

Xch3l said:
But what if the artist is calling itself like that? Would you prefer "homosexualblackguy"? or even softer: "blackguywholikesmen"?

Given the fact 'nigger' is a racist term, then yes. Honestly any of those names would be better >.> but this is besides the point. The point is, people might just say there artist name is this racist term, just so sites like this have to tag the offense term as the artist's name

Hey, I like niggerfaggot.

He is the only excuse I have to ever use the terms nigger and faggot in a sentence without being racist or homophobic.

But yeah, he also calls himself like that on other sites.

NotMeNotYouMobile said:
Hey, I like niggerfaggot.

He is the only excuse I have to ever use the terms nigger and faggot in a sentence without being racist or homophobic.

But yeah, he also calls himself like that on other sites.

Thats the point...he uses the name to have people type niggerfaggot on sites and in tags....hes a form of trolling :/ I have nothing against the artist...just the name seems to be a huge troll

Conker said:
Thats the point...he uses the name to have people type niggerfaggot on sites and in tags....hes a form of trolling :/ I have nothing against the artist...just the name seems to be a huge troll

But does he really troll if nobody cares?
I can't really imagine a meeting of trolls to decide that they should flood our site with racist or otherwise offensive artistnames.
Other than that leave him be, he calls himself something derogatory not others, and who are we to tell him to stop calling himself names?

NotMeNotYouMobile said:
But does he really troll if nobody cares?
I can't really imagine a meeting of trolls to decide that they should flood our site with racist or otherwise offensive artistnames.

Well I never said there was any meeting of trolls, I just knew due to the mass amount of tag buase and people tagging racist things, perhaps one troll can think to just call himself that name on other sites, just so any word of his uploaded here gets the tag. I just think this can be abused.

NotMeNotYouMobile said:
Other than that leave him be, he calls himself something derogatory not others, and who are we to tell him to stop calling himself names?

Yes he calls himself niggerfaggot, so each image site with his art now has a racist term in the tags, along with people saying the word. I just see this as a form of trolling in a sense.

I mean if someone where to tag a image with 'nigger' on the site, the tag would be removed, user either warned or banned.....but now a artist may call themselves nigger just to troll and post there art here tagged with that word, or some hate filled bunch of words used as a name.

I am just saying it can be abused.

Seems like too much trouble. For the troll I mean. Why would yu go to such extent just to act like a 5 year old? (a racist one)

To do that is quite pathetic really.

AlastairWhitehall said:
Seems like too much trouble. For the troll I mean. Why would yu go to such extent just to act like a 5 year old? (a racist one)

To do that is quite pathetic really.

Well trolls are known for being quite pathetic....and it has been done before. I just think we should have some rule about such artist name tags

Wait, so you want us to censor artist tags (or any tags really) just because a certain group may find them offensive? That's a slippery slope my friend, and unless there's massive user demand for us to do so, I think it's not one we should try to go down.

MaShCr said:
Wait, so you want us to censor artist tags (or any tags really) just because a certain group may find them offensive? That's a slippery slope my friend, and unless there's massive user demand for us to do so, I think it's not one we should try to go down.

I'm an user!
I demand it!
And I'm fucking massive!

But seriously, both two words separately would not be allowed as a tag so there is no reason why nick that contains 2 of them combined couldn't be forbidden. You're making slippery slope fallacy.

Besides that, both artist's pages have different name than that. Why not alias to any of them?

MaShCr said:
Wait, so you want us to censor artist tags (or any tags really) just because a certain group may find them offensive?

I think if the word nigger, isnt allowed on the site as a tag, then an artist who has there name niggerfaggot shouldn't be a real tag artist or not. Its just getting around the system it seems.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
But seriously, both two words separately would not be allowed as a tag so there is no reason why nick that contains 2 of them combined couldn't be forbidden.

Agreed.

How exactly do you suggest an artist should be tagged if their name is "forbidden"? Do we have a contest to rename them, and hope everyone searching for that artist guesses correctly?

I don't even get the point of this entire thread.

'Nigger' and 'faggot' aren't tags because they're simply fucking invalid, not because they're offensive. Niggerfaggot is valid because it's the name of an artist. Almost nobody here even gives a single fuck about political correctness, there's so many more offensive images uploaded here than the word 'niggerfaggot' on a tag.

Foobaria said:
How exactly do you suggest an artist should be tagged if their name is "forbidden"? Do we have a contest to rename them, and hope everyone searching for that artist guesses correctly?

Besides that, both artist's pages have different name than that. Why not alias to any of them?

Also you forget how aliasing works. Search will still work.

@720p
Pictures can be tagged and blacklisted.
If you don't want talking about political correctness the let's say, that there would be new user with nickname FUCK_E621_ALL_ITS_USERS, or with nickname with many strange non asci chars? Artist names are commonly changed for various reasons already.

Nigger' and 'faggot' aren't tags because they're simply fucking invalid

You say that tag describing black skinned human is invalid?

I'm not saying that definitely this certain artist should be renamed, but I think that Conker asked good question. Where is the line?

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
@720p
Let's say, that there would be new user with nickname FUCK_E621_ALL_ITS_USERS, or with nickname with many strange non asci chars? Artist names are commonly changed for various reasons already.

You say that tag describing black skinned human is invalid?

If there's an artist genuinely called fuck_e621_and_all_its_users that actually bothered to create an image that passes quality control and is relevant to the site, sure, let them tag one image with it. Although if they manage to both pass quality control and be relevant to the site, its highly likely they would already be an established artist under another name, which it could be aliased to. Tags should generally be kept written in the Latin alphabet, so tags written in non-ASCII characters should be aliased. I don't think anybody would struggle to type 'niggerfaggot' on their keyboard.

And yes, nigger is an invalid tag because black_skin is used in favour of nigger. It doesn't even look like that tag is used for humans, and I can't find a tag at all for black-skinned humans, leading me to believe it's even more invalid.

720p said:
If there's an artist genuinely called fuck_e621_and_all_its_users that actually bothered to create an image that passes quality control and is relevant to the site, sure, let them tag one image with it. Although if they manage to both pass quality control and be relevant to the site, its highly likely they would already be an established artist under another name, which it could be aliased to.

You are missing the point. If the word nigger isn't a valid tag due to it being a racist term, adding the word faggot to the word should not make it a valid tag even if the artist goes by the name.

I feel people are just slowly crossing the line, and if we dont have some control on artist's name in tags then people will abuse it.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Also you forget how aliasing works. Search will still work.

I'm not saying that definitely this certain artist should be renamed, but I think that Conker asked good question. Where is the line?

Agreed, besides I dont see the need to have an invalid racist tag in a username as a tag anyway. Its just crossing the line.

There is a line normally in tags, but I think this is borderline crossing it.

720p said:

And yes, nigger is an invalid tag because black_skin is used in favour of nigger. It doesn't even look like that tag is used for humans, and I can't find a tag at all for black-skinned humans, leading me to believe it's even more invalid.

Black_skin was probally asigned to nigger to stop people tag abusing with racist terms . Keep in mind there used to be images of humans and furrys on this site before, that where tagged with racist terms. So thats why they did that change.

Conker said:

You are missing the point. If the word nigger isn't a valid tag due to it being a racist term, adding the word faggot to the word should not make it a valid tag even if the artist goes by the name.

Nigger isn't a valid tag because it is racist and there are better ways to tag the same concept (assuming we even need to tag the appearance of humans, which we apparently don't do). An offensive tag can be aliased away if it's an invalid tag in the first place, or if there's a better tag for the same concept. If there's no better tag (which with artist names, there isn't, unless there's a provable alternate name), and it's something we need to tag (like an artist name) then it stays.

I think we can probably alias niggerfaggot to facelessjr or faceless_jr, since that's their username on deviantart. But if the only name they used was niggerfaggot, it would have to stay.

Conker said:
You are missing the point. If the word nigger isn't a valid tag due to it being a racist term, adding the word faggot to the word should not make it a valid tag even if the artist goes by the name.

Nigger would likely be an invalid tag whether it's offensive or not. 'Nigger' would technically only apply to black-skinned humans, where black_skin can apply to any black-skinned species. A similar example is the tribadism tag, scissoring is aliased to tribadism because scissoring is tribadism in a specific position, which isn't relevant enough for a lone tag. A black-skinned human wouldn't be relevant enough for a lone tag, so it would also end up with a single tag that can apply to all black-skinned species being favoured.

Scissoring is now not used, should every artist's name that contains 'scissoring' be replaced with 'tribadism' to match e621's tagging even though the artist doesn't go by that name?

Conker said:
I feel people are just slowly crossing the line, and if we dont have some control on artist's name in tags then people will abuse it.

I don't understand the potential for abuse argument. So long as an artist is producing quality art that's relevant to the site, does anyone really care what his or her name is?

Frankly, I don't give a damn about names like Niggerfaggot's.

I'm with 720p, the only reason the individual words aren't used as tags is because they're ineffective in that role and there are much more intuitive, accurate terms already in use. To me it's not an issue of political correctness.

Again, that's just my view. This is probably something worth bringing up for discussion within the administration, though.

KloH0und said:
This is probably something worth bringing up for discussion within the administration, though.

Thats why I made this thread, I thought it be a good discussion topic and perhaps get a few users/admins/mods talking about the subject.

720p said:

Scissoring is now not used, should every artist's name that contains 'scissoring' be replaced with 'tribadism' to match e621's tagging even though the artist doesn't go by that name?

Again you are missing the point, its not about it being a unused tag. Its just the the name is racist, and users who tend to add that tag (before it was changed) where banned over it as it was just abusive,racist, and trolling.

Snowy said:
I think we can probably alias niggerfaggot to facelessjr or faceless_jr, since that's their username on deviantart.

Very good point, since they go by that name why not just go with that DA name?
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My topic does bring up a good point for abuse though, even if the artist only went by that name...I think there should be some line for such artist's tags.

Okay let me see if I got this right. You are saying that if I became a artist under the name Moses, which is my name, and the name I use on sites all over the web. I post art here, and it gets hosted here, people know my art under the name Moses and all is dandy.

Cut to 1 years later (when the first niggerfaggot image was posted, a year ago). Someone is "offended" or saying that others COULD BE offended because I go by a name that has Religious context, and in turn be just a troll able as two bad/offensive words put together, we should either flat out censor it or change it to something of the sites choosing?

Or how about thefuckingdevil having a artist tag in safe images? Should we a few *'s in there so no one gets offended?

As far as I'm concerned it is not the purview of e621 to police the names that artists use to identify themselves. That is completely ridiculous. If you, for some reason, actually have a real problem with this artist's name, then you need to talk to them, not us.

e621 does not disallow images simply for being racist or having racist connotations (a quick tag search for nazi will reveal this) so why should we care if an artist simply uses a vaguely "offensive" name?

If you're offended by something, the problem lies within you, not the thing you are "offended" by. Being offended is a choice that you make freely.

In addition, if we start policing artist names on E621 because they're offensive, that's going to drive artists away from here pretty quickly, and nobody wants that.

It's just a word, pull your panties up and ignore it.

Quite frankly, I think it's a stupid name. But I support tagging the artist's name the way he/she signs it on their artwork, if possible. (obvious exceptions would be common names or initials)

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I am sort of ashamed that these words still bring out the somehow "shameful" connotation that they brought on all those years ago. I mean, come on, you don't get a posse together and herd up a group of African Americans and call them "nigger" and mean it the same way that they did so long ago. Recall that interview with Samuel L. Jackson, in which he tried to get the white reporter to say "nigger" and oh my gawd, did that reporter nearly shit his pants not to say it. ITS A FUCKING WORD. Back then saying FUCK was like a slap in the face to everyone. These words are politically incorrect for sure, but so is drug dealer instead of exotic pharmacist, or hooker instead of personal escort. No one says the latter of the two in normal conversation. This is basically the same argument upon which the banning of "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" in schools is based on. When we come to realize the use of the word as being just a word and nothing more, we will finally realize that it truly doesn't fucking matter.

PheagleAdler said:
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Racist barn racist barn 1 2 3 4

Aurali said:
Racist barn racist barn 1 2 3 4

To the day I die, I will never be able to listen to that song without hearing this.

720p said:
Almost nobody here even gives a single fuck about political correctness.

And I am pretty much sure that nobody won't bother to give one fuck of someone's name that is highly offensive to one's ethnicity, or sexual orientation and what not. And I am pretty sure, almost everyone on the internet don't take racism seriously.

If I am wrong about this, correct me.

Ok so here it is, bottom line is everyone is right here. Obviously the artist making any name like niggerfaggot or gaykike or homomick obviously has the intention of trolling wether its nothing more than in a name or by brutally slandering people and races and I feel anyone who cant see this is rather naive.... No offense. Now, does that mean that we need to go banhappy or get uproarously pissed over someone who went a little over the top on their lame fun? Nope. By. Giving in and making a scene youre making it a successful troll. Sooo if they arent harming anyone I say leave it be.