This tag is curently defined as a very specific thing done to horse tails BUT in practice it makes it impossible to have a clear, widespread tag for two things:

• NORMAL wraps around a tail:

post #860323

• Tails that are wrapped around other characters (why not? I mean, we DO have leg_wrap!). The best try for this is currently coiled_tail. We can't even use the singular (as is done for leg_wrap vs. leg_wraps) because it redirects to the plural!

We need to formalize proper tags for this mess once and for all, as the questions (especially about the coiled_tail issue) keep cropping up. This may require ending tail_wraps completely by making it ambiguous.

At the very least I went ahead and changed it over to the plural. Since tail_wraps doesn't make much sense for tails being coiled together, it may help discourage it.

I don't know what to do in the long run, but keeping both singular and plural isn't usually a viable option based on past history with tags.

What about tail_wrappings?

maybe tail_wrap & wrapped_tail would be more distinct?

parasprite said:
At the very least I went ahead and changed it over to the plural. Since tail_wraps doesn't make much sense for tails being coiled together, it may help discourage it.

I don't know what to do in the long run, but keeping both singular and plural isn't usually a viable option based on past history with tags.

Tail being coiled together is entwined tails. Right now I can't even try and search for examples of tails coiled around limbs or bodies or necks (Although I know I've uploaded a couple myself) because, guess what, no one can tag those!

So...shouting in the title now means it'll get attention? - When was that a thing??!

Bj007pro said:
So...shouting in the title now means it'll get attention? - When was that a thing??!

I believe that technique was invented on eBay.

Bj007pro said:
So...shouting in the title now means it'll get attention? - When was that a thing??!

...I didn't even realized that there was a fully capitalized word until I read your comment. My brain autocorrected it to just being "Something needs to be done about tail_wrap".

Qmannn said:
How about creating a new tag altogether, such as tail_around_partner or tail_around_another?

That's probably the best way to solve it. We try to minimize the usage of underscores where possible, but I can't think of any easily understandable names that'd only have one...

Also, something will probably have to be done about the other *_wrap tags. Maybe leg_wrap and tongue_wrap should be renamed in similar way.

Qmannn said:
How about creating a new tag altogether, such as tail_around_partner or tail_around_another? Granted, there'd still be the arduous task of tagging nearly a decade's worth of images with it since a tag for this common fetish was somehow never made, but it's better than nothing.

That'll be similar then to, "Looking_at_viewer" and "looking_at_mate".

parasprite said:
I believe that technique was invented on eBay.

Interesting...

Genjar said:
That's probably the best way to solve it. We try to minimize the usage of underscores where possible, but I can't think of any easily understandable names that'd only have one...

Also, something will probably have to be done about the other *_wrap tags. Maybe leg_wrap and tongue_wrap should be renamed in similar way.

I mentioned it and it was ignored, but I can't see why. Why is it that tail_wrappings isn't a viable option to distinguish the two?

Clawdragons said:
I mentioned it and it was ignored, but I can't see why. Why is it that tail_wrappings isn't a viable option to distinguish the two?

"Tail wrap" is an extremely widespread equestrian term; using it for anything other meaning would be an uphill battle. Wven if we aliased it to the tag you mentioned, we'd still end up needing a "wrapping the tail around X" tag to put everything together.

parasprite said:
"Tail wrap" is an extremely widespread equestrian term; using it for anything other meaning would be an uphill battle. Wven if we aliased it to the tag you mentioned, we'd still end up needing a "wrapping the tail around X" tag to put everything together.

How many different tags do there need to be?
How many are there currently?

Bj007pro said:
How many different tags do there need to be?
How many are there currently?

https://e621.net/stats - 315,350, approximately 2/3 are general tags

Of those general tags, maybe ~5000 tags actually matter (~2.7% of general tags).

parasprite said:
https://e621.net/stats - 315,350, approximately 2/3 are general tags

Of those general tags, maybe ~5000 tags actually matter (~2.7% of general tags).

LMFAO!

So how did the tag system get to be like Count Dracula's junkyard of numbers?

Bj007pro said:
LMFAO!

So how did the tag system get to be like Count Dracula's junkyard of numbers?

8 years of history and 11+ million tag edits.

It works because we can ignore the noise while refining what we use and what is practical for our purposes.

parasprite said:
8 years of history and 11+ million tag edits.

It works because we can ignore the noise while refining what we use and what is practical for our purposes.

Isn't there a thing in the tag mechanics where if you type one tag it might get replaced to something similar if there is one?

parasprite said:
"Tail wrap" is an extremely widespread equestrian term; using it for anything other meaning would be an uphill battle. Wven if we aliased it to the tag you mentioned, we'd still end up needing a "wrapping the tail around X" tag to put everything together.

This is Furry general, not Derpibooru. Wraps is more widespread as a term for digitigradal feet with a wrapping around them, or similar wrapping over arms or tails.

Bj007pro said:
Isn't there a thing in the tag mechanics where if you type one tag it might get replaced to something similar if there is one?

Aliases? Yeah, but they have to be added manually.

Furrin_Gok said:
This is Furry general, not Derpibooru. Wraps is more widespread as a term for digitigradal feet with a wrapping around them, or similar wrapping over arms or tails.

Exactly. Which is why using a term like tail wrap for "wrapping a tail around an arm, leg, etc." would be an uphill battle. Even if we changed the tag name we are still missing the non-clothing meaning.

parasprite said:
Aliases? Yeah, but they have to be added manually.

Exactly. Which is why using a term like tail wrap for "wrapping a tail around an arm, leg, etc." would be an uphill battle. Even if we changed the tag name we are still missing the non-clothing meaning.

Oops, I misread the end of your post because of the start of it. Since you were saying that it's a widespread equestrian term, I thought you were saying we'd still end up using it as "Wrapping the tail around X".

Furrin_Gok said:
Since you were saying that it's a widespread equestrian term, I thought you were saying we'd still end up using it as "Wrapping the tail around X".

Oh, no. That would be pretty silly, and explains your response.

Agreed with Genjar about this:

Genjar said:
That's probably the best way to solve it. We try to minimize the usage of underscores where possible, but I can't think of any easily understandable names that'd only have one...

Also, something will probably have to be done about the other *_wrap tags. Maybe leg_wrap and tongue_wrap should be renamed in similar way.

I'd rather not have a long tag, but so far, it does seem like the most unambiguous thing to do in the long run

from Qmannn Sounds good to me:

(all singular for now)

• tail_around_another
• leg_around_another
• tongue_around_* (object, person, whatever)

• tail_around_self

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leg_around_another sounds a bit odd, not to mention the 'wrap/embrace' meaning that was hinted is now gone in lieu of the more ambiguous 'around'

• tail_wrapped_around_another ? Quite a handful though

Another example of tail_wrap confusion

post #448926

Any updates with this?

Think I saw some similar tags being used here and there, but can't remember which or where

Maybe wrap_on_tail or wraps_on_tail would be clearer tag?

(similar to flower_on_tail,
bell_on_tail,
belt_on_tail, etc)

(( Current there are tags wrap and wraps. ))